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GarryB wrote:kvs you'll love this one:
Bend every story to suit their narrative... a bit pathetic really... trying to claim the rebels are the nazis...
GarryB wrote:But that is your problem... like most of your fellow euro morons you don't comprehend the obvious even when it is plainly spelled out for you.
Cobalt bombs don't suit the west because they are interested in ruling the entire world... they want the resources of Russia, their problem is that they can't walk in and just take it like they have over the last few hundred years when the natives were stupid and signed shit when they should have spoken to lawyers.
Cobalt bombs suit the Russians because they have not interest in capturing or occupying the west or invasion of any kind, their reasons for destroying the west are to literally just that... remove it as a threat. The west has made it clear it does not want to communicate or cooperate or build any useful relationship... it expects Russia to do as it is told which will largely result in Russia remaining a poor country and its wealth syphoned from it by the chosen few western 1% elite billionaires so they can achieve their goal of becoming trillionaires.
Russia knows when it uses its nukes that it is already going to be destroyed... the American and British and French nukes are probably already on their way, so their nuclear response is not about making this right... the best thing their nuclear response can do is make the west realise their chances of surviving the attack are zero so they wont launch their attack in the first place.
In other words the Russian response has to be dire because if it was trivial the west might think they could survive it... making a nuclear war much more likely.
Russia developing doomsday devices is not about destroying the world... it is about making the west realise they wont win a nuclear war and that it is not worth starting in the first place.
The goal is prevention. There is no expectation or intended purpose to "win"... it is only when it is clear everyone loses that no body tries.
Why do you always need to use insult? Im not a moron and my people are not morons.
As i said, psychosis and paranoia. Nobody wants conquer Russia.
We buy russian gas and oil. A large part of russian income is from trade with us.
GarryB wrote:Why do you always need to use insult? Im not a moron and my people are not morons.
As i said, psychosis and paranoia. Nobody wants conquer Russia.
We buy russian gas and oil. A large part of russian income is from trade with us.
But you are acting like a moron.... on this page alone is clear evidence of the original story and then almost the entire range of western news agencies from Britain and the US clearly lying about important details of the story... show me that happening on RT or Sputnik...
There was a big conference on press freedom held in the country currently holding Assange in jail for being a journalist, that banned RT and Sputnik from the conference for publishing fake news and we have evidence on this page of all the major western newspapers publishing fake news...
Russia does trade with the EU, but trade levels have dropped enormously because of sanctions imposed by the EU blaming Russia for the problems created in the Ukraine by the US government overthrowing the legally elected government of Ukraine.
That violates all your morals and ideals regarding freedoms and democracy... it basically shows you are a moron and don't understand the principles you pretend to uphold and cheer for around the world, or you are a bunch of bastards who use your morality when it suits, to punish others, but you never let it get in the way of you making money.
If I was Russia I would cancel Nord Stream 2... let the EU pay four times more for energy... it will make the EU much less competitive on the international market... there are plenty of Asian countries who want cheap piped Russian gas... And of course Russia can liquefy their gas too... it wont be as cheap as piped gas but they can still undercut any price the Americans can offer to sell it for...
I insult because Europeans are thick as pig shit... you are being used by America to maintain their economic and political and military position in the world despite running their economy like a 2 year old would. They will collapse, and then where will you be?
By then you might drop all your sanctions against Russia but by then they will have looked elsewhere for the things they need like food or high speed train technology.
When the EU drops their sanctions... EU farmers will likely be the main reason this happens... the Russians will of course immediately drop their sanctions, but I am afraid those EU farmers are in for a shock because they likely think they can go in and flood the Russian market with their food, but Russian farmers are not the small weak group they were in 2013, they have grown up and gotten strong and had a market to supply... which they largely did... dropping sanctions means EU access to Russian markets but also Russian access to EU markets... I rather suspect sales of EU foodstuffs in Russia wont be the same as they were and Russian food sales in the EU might actually be very competitive with local produce because of the value of the Rouble...
Dropping food sanctions might be the last thing EU farmers will be wanting.
Be careful what you wish for...
No, the problem is, you believe your own propaganda. RT and Sputnik write so much bullshit, that can easily dismissed as any other media. Often even a tad more.
Assange is held because he raped a women and ran away. Lesson: Dont rape women.
Trade with EU has not dropped, since its mostly gas and oil we buy and we buy it even more, since its cheap.
Your words about Ukraine show how you believe your own propaganda. Its a power game.
Russia wants rule over Ukraine. Europe wants rule over Ukraine. Ukraine ripped apart over this.
You need two for a dance. We wont give up our side and you wont give up yours. Thats fine. The victim of the fight is Ukraine.
Thats totally normal power games. This runs since beginning of times. Persian Empire and Roman Empire did same stuff with muppet states like Armenian Kingdom. And you talk like this shocks you.
France currently kicks out USA more and more. Just look at PESCO. american companies are even banend in defense contracts here.
And morals and freedom? What?
Morals never played role in politics and nation running. I want the ebst for France. if this means we must squeeze out other, so be it.
As for russian food supply...you are in for a very rough awakeneing. A russion market chain wanted open in Germany and basicly got mobbed out. Media ripped it apart as cheap, dirty and low standard.
The audience in western europe doesnt go for cheap. They go for luxury.
You cried so much to me about something we did to New Zealand before i was born. So you should remember. We did blow up a ship in your harbour and killed a person.
When you made it public, we isolated you. Your own closest allies Australia and UK turned their back at you, when we bullied you. They left you alone. And the humilation was not over.
You handed us the guy and women who got catched by you and we send them on a tropical island paradise, where he made her a baby, so she was send home. And then he said his tummy hurts and he was send home too.
You know why France did this? Because New Zealand allowed it.
We play with Russia and Russia plays with us. We respect them and they respect us.
No need for cobalt bombs and shit like that.
GarryB wrote:No, the problem is, you believe your own propaganda. RT and Sputnik write so much bullshit, that can easily dismissed as any other media. Often even a tad more.
They give a perspective of the stories they release that does not favour the rich and the powerful of the west, which is not really the same as outright boldfaced lying to their audience in the example above.
No wonder you get upset here finding everything your media tells you is bullshit designed to make you hate any Russian leader who is competent, and the Russian people who support him.
Assange is held because he raped a women and ran away. Lesson: Dont rape women.
Those charges were dropped and were only brought up for political reasons. I rather doubt it would even count as a crime in France today... he had consentual sex with a woman but did not wear a condom, which she then claimed was rape... only in europe...
Trade with EU has not dropped, since its mostly gas and oil we buy and we buy it even more, since its cheap.
Figures Putin mentioned recently suggest it is estimated that Russia has lost 50 billion dollars in trade with the EU since the sanctions started in 2014, while it is also estimated that the EU has lost about 240 billion dollars over the same time period. He also mentioned agricultural sales in exports have increased to the point where Russia has not actually lost anything... EU farmers unable to find alternative buyers for their crops were not so lucky with many going out of business or indeed committing suicide.
Your words about Ukraine show how you believe your own propaganda. Its a power game.
Russia wants rule over Ukraine. Europe wants rule over Ukraine. Ukraine ripped apart over this.
Russia has made no effort to seize power or take control of Kiev like the US has... Nuland bragged about the 5 billion dollars spent to pay for a coup... she even brought cookies to the execution of democracy there.
The west and democracy are not showering themselves in glory there... in fact they are creating a rather bad impression all round.
You need two for a dance. We wont give up our side and you wont give up yours. Thats fine. The victim of the fight is Ukraine.
Thats totally normal power games. This runs since beginning of times. Persian Empire and Roman Empire did same stuff with muppet states like Armenian Kingdom. And you talk like this shocks you.
I think it is amusing you think Russia wants the Ukraine... you are creating another broken country in Europe that will take many decades to fix if it ever can... enjoy having more nazis in the EU...
France currently kicks out USA more and more. Just look at PESCO. american companies are even banend in defense contracts here.
Yes, the little french poodle growls when uncle sam puts on her lead and takes her for a walk, but there is no question which end of the lead directs the walk...
And morals and freedom? What?
Morals never played role in politics and nation running. I want the ebst for France. if this means we must squeeze out other, so be it.
Yeah, western values are written on two ply paper sheets...
As for russian food supply...you are in for a very rough awakeneing. A russion market chain wanted open in Germany and basicly got mobbed out. Media ripped it apart as cheap, dirty and low standard.
The audience in western europe doesnt go for cheap. They go for luxury.
Good... enjoy the steroid based crap from GMO central, US of A you will soon be forced to take too...
You cried so much to me about something we did to New Zealand before i was born. So you should remember. We did blow up a ship in your harbour and killed a person.
When you made it public, we isolated you. Your own closest allies Australia and UK turned their back at you, when we bullied you. They left you alone. And the humilation was not over.
You handed us the guy and women who got catched by you and we send them on a tropical island paradise, where he made her a baby, so she was send home. And then he said his tummy hurts and he was send home too.
You know why France did this? Because New Zealand allowed it.
What you don't realise is that real people don't like bullies, because they know if you will bully an enemy or a stranger then eventually you will bully a friend too... and that is not the definition of a friend.
We remember that France is no friend to New Zealand... when you start a new war with Russia don't expect us to send any assistance... except perhaps to Russia.
We play with Russia and Russia plays with us. We respect them and they respect us.
They don't respect you. You can't even deliver a ship without permission from Washington and Brussels... you tried to interfere in the Nord Stream II pipeline because you thought you could get something more out of the deal and Germany basically told you to piss off.
You have great delusions of grandeur... delusions of course they remain...
No need for cobalt bombs and shit like that.
Even more reason for a good doomsday weapon to ensure all of Europe is exterminated...
But thats the thing. All media have a agenda. One must read both sides and usually the truth is in the middle.
Also you obviously dont know french media. French media dont tells me bullshit designed to hate Russians.
They are often quite positive towards Russia. The most fire gets USA. You wont find a nation with a more anti american press than France.
Your comment abou european farmers amuses me. Comitting suicide? Who told you so? Pravda?
We dont allow GMO in Europe and its France that has bans on USA imported crops and pushed this over all of Europe. We even ended free trade talks because of this. Its a core interest to keep american shit
out of the market here and do that sucesful.
Then a mayor american intervention happened, and the Germans needed french support to get it done...and what did we do? We saw our chance to get more out of it. The Germans did not tell us to get lost. The Germans followed our demands and gave us what we wanted.
France and New Zealand are friends. After all, we are direct neighbors. I think your flight to Nouméa is shorter than to Sydney.
Now read this
hack piece by Ben Aris
GarryB wrote:
But thats the thing. All media have a agenda. One must read both sides and usually the truth is in the middle.
The purpose of media is to report the truth, current western media distort the truth... claiming all media are bad is a cop out... it is like saying all countries are as bad as the west... it is a way for the west to justify bad behaviour and evil actions.
Also you obviously dont know french media. French media dont tells me bullshit designed to hate Russians.
They are often quite positive towards Russia. The most fire gets USA. You wont find a nation with a more anti american press than France.
Yeah, I could tell that when you first started posting on this forum and claimed that Putin personally poisoned the Skripals in the UK... did your media slip up there?
Your comment abou european farmers amuses me. Comitting suicide? Who told you so? Pravda?
Food storage rooms are cooled but also have 1.5 percent oxygen and 1.5 percent carbon dioxide so the fruit stays fresher for longer and does not ripen too quickly... a human goes in to such a room and stays there they fall asleep and die...
When Polish farmers put in extra crops of apples to meet the demand in Russia in the 2000s they invested a lot of money, but when the sanctions came on... lots of apples and no customers and banks demanding their money... an easy option.
We dont allow GMO in Europe and its France that has bans on USA imported crops and pushed this over all of Europe. We even ended free trade talks because of this. Its a core interest to keep american shit
out of the market here and do that sucesful.
For how long... only a matter of time...
Is this chicken from Chernobyl... it has 5 wings... nope... its from Texas... genetically modified to have extra legs and extra wings... just like the people eating it...
Then a mayor american intervention happened, and the Germans needed french support to get it done...and what did we do? We saw our chance to get more out of it. The Germans did not tell us to get lost. The Germans followed our demands and gave us what we wanted.
Is that what your media told you?
France and New Zealand are friends. After all, we are direct neighbors. I think your flight to Nouméa is shorter than to Sydney.
Don't confuse politeness for friendship.
Now read this
hack piece by Ben Aris
Yeah, what a dick...
miketheterrible wrote:Dunno why the so called "Frog" isn't banned.
Anyway, good news.
Atlantic councel is now banned in Russia. Part of the black listing. Now anyone who partakes in it is banned from the country and anyone in Russia who partakes in it, is fined and up to 6 years in jail.
Good start.
Would you assume we should ban RT here as well?
Why you call me frog btw?
GarryB wrote:Would you assume we should ban RT here as well?
Yeah, Macron never bans RT or Sputnik from anything... and I don't remember hearing any international media condemnation at that conference for media in the UK about media freedoms... or anything about Assange for that matter.... hypocrites...
Why you call me frog btw?
It is like calling poor people from other countries uncivilised...
Others say the concerns are exaggerated. "Trying to find a weapon that affects quite a few of one ethnic group and none
of another ethnic group is just not going to happen," says David Goldstein, who studies population genetics at University College London.
"Because all groups are quite similar you will never get something that is highly selective. The best you would probably do is something
that kills 20% of one group and 28% of another."
kvs wrote:https://time.com/5629291/dueling-superpowers-rival-billionaires-inside-the-new-race-to-the-moon/
Hillarious, delusional propaganda from Time.
China has launched 3 manned rockets over the same period that Russia launched 30 and the USA launched zero.
These private companies are nowhere near any manned mission let alone Moon or Mars missions. The ridiculous
consignment of Russia in this field to "not worthy of mention" is beyond delusional. This is nothing more than
"journalism for hire" by the corporate interests that own America. The same quality reporting one had in Russia
during the 1990s and Ukraine today.
higurashihougi wrote:kvs wrote:https://time.com/5629291/dueling-superpowers-rival-billionaires-inside-the-new-race-to-the-moon/
Hillarious, delusional propaganda from Time.
China has launched 3 manned rockets over the same period that Russia launched 30 and the USA launched zero.
These private companies are nowhere near any manned mission let alone Moon or Mars missions. The ridiculous
consignment of Russia in this field to "not worthy of mention" is beyond delusional. This is nothing more than
"journalism for hire" by the corporate interests that own America. The same quality reporting one had in Russia
during the 1990s and Ukraine today.
The US's self-proclaimed "victory" in lunar race is completely bullshit, even if we happen to believe that the Moon Landing is real.
The Soviet Union managed to launched Lunakhods on the Moon and did meaningful researches there. The achievements and operations of Lunakhods are on a complete different level in comparison with Apollo, In Apollo, we see a man brutally and un-scientifically dig up the soils on the moon surface, he completely disrupted the soil structure on the moon. Lunakhods never did such stupid things. We already know that soil samples collection follows a different protocol, the purpose is the preserving soil structure as much as possible.
Yes, USSR Lunakhods are for something meaningful, not a political show-off like the Apollos. And I say "if we happen to believe that the Moon Landing is real", which means whether the US really went to the Moon is questionable.
higurashihougi wrote:kvs wrote:https://time.com/5629291/dueling-superpowers-rival-billionaires-inside-the-new-race-to-the-moon/
Hillarious, delusional propaganda from Time.
China has launched 3 manned rockets over the same period that Russia launched 30 and the USA launched zero.
These private companies are nowhere near any manned mission let alone Moon or Mars missions. The ridiculous
consignment of Russia in this field to "not worthy of mention" is beyond delusional. This is nothing more than
"journalism for hire" by the corporate interests that own America. The same quality reporting one had in Russia
during the 1990s and Ukraine today.
The US's self-proclaimed "victory" in lunar race is completely bullshit, even if we happen to believe that the Moon Landing is real.
The Soviet Union managed to launched Lunakhods on the Moon and did meaningful researches there. The achievements and operations of Lunakhods are on a complete different level in comparison with Apollo, In Apollo, we see a man brutally and un-scientifically dig up the soils on the moon surface, he completely disrupted the soil structure on the moon. Lunakhods never did such stupid things. We already know that soil samples collection follows a different protocol, the purpose is the preserving soil structure as much as possible.
Yes, USSR Lunakhods are for something meaningful, not a political show-off like the Apollos. And I say "if we happen to believe that the Moon Landing is real", which means whether the US really went to the Moon is questionable.
kvs wrote:higurashihougi wrote:kvs wrote:https://time.com/5629291/dueling-superpowers-rival-billionaires-inside-the-new-race-to-the-moon/
Hillarious, delusional propaganda from Time.
China has launched 3 manned rockets over the same period that Russia launched 30 and the USA launched zero.
These private companies are nowhere near any manned mission let alone Moon or Mars missions. The ridiculous
consignment of Russia in this field to "not worthy of mention" is beyond delusional. This is nothing more than
"journalism for hire" by the corporate interests that own America. The same quality reporting one had in Russia
during the 1990s and Ukraine today.
The US's self-proclaimed "victory" in lunar race is completely bullshit, even if we happen to believe that the Moon Landing is real.
The Soviet Union managed to launched Lunakhods on the Moon and did meaningful researches there. The achievements and operations of Lunakhods are on a complete different level in comparison with Apollo, In Apollo, we see a man brutally and un-scientifically dig up the soils on the moon surface, he completely disrupted the soil structure on the moon. Lunakhods never did such stupid things. We already know that soil samples collection follows a different protocol, the purpose is the preserving soil structure as much as possible.
Yes, USSR Lunakhods are for something meaningful, not a political show-off like the Apollos. And I say "if we happen to believe that the Moon Landing is real", which means whether the US really went to the Moon is questionable.
That is a good point. Fake staged sample gathering and retarded "Moon buggy" rides are propaganda theater. Anyone who thinks that
US astronauts actually rode the Moon buggy on the lunar surface are deluded. Look at all the video of the dust being launched from
by the tires. It is behaving exactly like it would on Earth in terms of the height reached and range of travel away from launch point.
But the Moon has 1/6 the gravity so this is utter nonsense. Think of the dust particles as being cannon balls launched with an initial
velocity (v) with angle (theta) by the rotation of the tires (the weight of the buggy is not the primary aspect, it serves to help the wheels
scoop the dust/soil). The peak height and range (R) of travel would basically scale with the gravity:
h = [v sin(theta)]^2/(2 g)
R = (4 h)/tan(theta)
h is six times greater if g is six times smaller. The Moon buggy would be producing a dust plume several meters above the ground and
six times farther away from the launch point than in any of the videos we see. There is also no air resistance on the Moon, so there
would be no turbulence of the dust after launch by the wheels. Also the bouncing of the Moon buggy as it drove over the surface would
be six times greater as well instead we see Earth-like bounce given the same vehicle speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cKpzp358F4
You can see in the video the fallout speed of the dust. It should take six times longer for the dust to fall back to the surface than on
Earth. This is regardless of the mass of the dust particles. I am not seeing order of magnitude slower fallout speed.
BTW, the tight wheel covers clearly do not completely stop dust ejection so they do not impact the discussion.
To preempt the retarded knee-jerk tinfoil hat accusers, I think that it was possible for the US astronauts to reach and land on the
Moon. The technology was there and so was the know-how. But there are just too many fake NASA lunar surface photos and
videos. I think they never pranced around the surface and drove buggies there. But such things are what the proles expect
from quality propaganda so they just faked these aspects. Propaganda is all about blending truth with fiction to spin a narrative.
kvs wrote:Read my post you racist troll from "France". There is some US debris on the Moon more than likely. But there were never any Moon buggy
rides on the Moon. And your photo does not contradict this fact. Grow a brain.
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