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    Tu-22M3: News

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:44 am

    Calm down, 30 is the first contract. Very Happy

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    The missile is raised into the bomb bay. The doors can be modified to fit around the missile.

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    Post  Mir Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:41 am

    Always been like that >>
    Tu-22M3: News - Page 34 Tu22m310

    But even from your latest pictures you can see that the center line missile is suspended rather tan recessed >>

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:15 am

    Because the top brass was looking.

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    50 with lowered missile
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    50 getting airborne with semi-recessed missile

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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:20 am

    It's a big missile. Kinzhal can be carried in greater numbers with a longer range.
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    Post  Mir Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:30 am

    Well now the guys on Russianplanes.net have noticed >>

    Maxim Volkov (photo) | 2022-02-20 20:25 | #
    Knowledgeable people will not comment on the suspension of the product? This is the first time I've seen this.

    Yuri (photo) | 2022-02-20 21:22 | #
    Really. I wonder why the rocket is lowered...

    Vadim Savitsky (photo) | 2022-02-20 21:53 | #
    X-32 on the central suspension. Maybe two more on the wing
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:49 pm

    Pretty clear that this is a Tu-22M3 and not a Tu-22M3M. Anyway it's the first time I've seen the missile suspended in this way.

    Yes, well spotted.

    The missile is raised into the bomb bay. The doors can be modified to fit around the missile.

    Thanks for sharing... learn something new all the time...

    It's a big missile. Kinzhal can be carried in greater numbers with a longer range.

    Well we don't actually know if Kinzhal has been made compatible and how it could be carried.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:33 am

    I'm curious if Tu-22M3's would also get compatibility with guided bombs. particularly the UPAB-1500. It can carry way more than Su-35 or 34's and allows bombing to be made at almost any weather condition.
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    Post  limb Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:05 am

    Why can't Tu-22s launch kinzhal, Kh-35 or Kh-59 yet?
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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:09 am

    limb wrote:Why can't Tu-22s launch kinzhal, Kh-35 or Kh-59 yet?

    No need to. They have small ranges and adapted for smaller stealthier planes.

    The class of longer range missiles like kh-101 with 2000+km is better situated for it since it keeps the planes at safe distances.

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    Post  limb Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:18 am

    Isos wrote:
    limb wrote:Why can't Tu-22s launch kinzhal, Kh-35 or Kh-59 yet?

    No need to. They have small ranges and adapted for smaller stealthier planes.

    The class of longer range missiles like kh-101 with 2000+km is better situated for it since it keeps the planes at safe distances.
    Better than only being able to drop bombs or kh-32s.
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    Post  psg Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:55 am

    I would of thought the Russian airforce, would at least upgraded 6-10 tu22 m3's to utilise the kab 500s/1500s on multiple ejector racks under the wings, inlets and internal weapons bay carriage. Plus the added svp 24 system, working with dumb bombs.

    It still has so much unleashed potential in that design.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:12 pm

    The original plan going back before the production of new Tu-160s was to unify the design and equipment of the Tu-95,160,22M3 where ever possible.

    So of course the Bear keeps its props but radars for all three aircraft are improved and upgraded and all made the same.

    The engines of the new Backfires replaced with the engines of the Blackjack and also further upgraded.

    All three aircraft were supposed to get weapons upgrades with a huge new range of guided bombs and missiles to be added to their arsenal.

    The decision to build PAK DA however required a brand new factory and if they had to make a new factory anyway they decided to make one with a new titanium forge so the box structure for the swing wings on the Blackjack could be produced to finish two incomplete models from the factory that made them, and extra Blackjacks could be made to bring them up to being a more viable force.

    The new factory could then be used to make PAK DA bombers that could replace the Bear in the long range subsonic strategic role but obviously with stealth as well, and also the Backfire in the theatre strike role with a much heavier payload and reduced fuel requirements.

    A subsonic flying wing is most efficient and allows the internal volume for lots of fuel and internal weapons, it is inherently stealthy so adding a few touches should make it reasonably stealthy without needing to be excessively expensive.

    Its stealth means it can operate at more efficient altitudes, though it could still carry standoff weapons of long range.

    The shift from keeping all three older aircraft to eventually having two aircraft seems to have led to a shift from the Tu-160 being a cruise missile carrier or a bomber, to the PAK DA being a theatre bomber or strategic cruise missile carrier and teh Tu-160 being a cruise missile carrier only.

    Now that western civilian airliners are no longer an option it means civilian airliners get more attention, which might also translate to more emphasis on transport aircraft too...

    Who knows... when production of the Tu-160 ends and PAK DA begins maybe a supersonic transport based on a modified Tu-160 might be considered... equally a flying wing civilian airliner might be another option too... certainly a flying wing would be interesting for AWACS use or inflight refuelling tanker where all the payload options are replace with extra fuel.

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    Post  George1 Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:31 am

    limb wrote:Why can't Tu-22s launch kinzhal, Kh-35 or Kh-59 yet?

    su-35s, su-30sm. su-34 can launch them. You dont need such a big aircraft to carry those missiles
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:26 pm

    Why can't Tu-22s launch kinzhal, Kh-35 or Kh-59 yet?

    The Tu-22M3 (without inflight refuelling) is the equivalent of two F-111s that use inflight refuelling in terms of range and payload... the Americans demanded all sorts of promises from the Soviets and now the Russians over what it can or can't do... including removing the inflight refuelling probe and limiting the range of the missiles it can carry.

    I rather suspect those promises will be forgotten now, but the Tu-22M3M upgrade included adding a wide range of new and existing guided air to ground weapons.

    Kinzhal might be on that list but being a solid rocket motor powered weapon its performance from the Backfire wont be as impressive as it is when launched from a mach 2.4 MiG-31K at 18km altitude.

    There is an interesting range of new weapons that will be available soon that will make it very well equipped I suspect.

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