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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:49 am

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    Post  George1 Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:08 pm

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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:58 pm

    Τhe video also says that Tu-22M3M will become part of the nuclear tiad. Probably they mean with the new Kh-50 cruise missile

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    Post  lancelot Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:03 pm

    They should integrate the Kinzhal into it. Replace the Kh-32 with the Kinzhal.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:27 pm

    How did you figure that they didn't?
    Besides, they still have Ch-22 stock and a working line for Ch-32.
    Both are deadly and out of reach to any western AD system - which we know crystal clear.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:04 pm

    ALAMO wrote:How did you figure that they didn't?
    Besides, they still have Ch-22 stock and a working line for Ch-32.
    Both are deadly and out of reach to any western AD system - which we know crystal clear.
    It is basically a one of a kind weapon, it uses an engine nothing else uses, it requires handling of toxic hypergolic fuel at air bases. And it is slower and has less range than the Kinzhal.

    Little to recommend about it. It probably has more advanced guidance and sensors. But you could in theory put those in Kinzhal as well.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:09 pm

    No no no. It was not my point.
    Tu-22M was cited as a Kinzhal carrier from the very beginning.
    So I guess all of the modernized ones are capable of.
    It will have a slightly smaller range as the release envelope won't match the MiG-31, but can be longer ranged as a system - Tu-22M has a much longer range rather than MiG-31 and is more suitable for long endurance flights.
    But they have hundreds of Ch-22 in storage, an a running line for production of ch-32 and ch-22 modernization to the standard. It is a perfectly suitable missile with a devastating 1000km range. NATO can't intercept it as a log as they won't place an AEGIS on its flight path.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:19 pm

    SM-3 Block II is able to cintercept Kinzhal, Kh-32, Tsirkon class missiles? Is the missile able to intercept targets only outside the atmosphere?
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    Post  marcellogo Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:21 pm

    Arrow wrote:SM-3 Block II is able to cintercept Kinzhal, Kh-32, Tsirkon class missiles? Is the missile able to intercept targets only outside the atmosphere?

    A missile designed specifically against ballistics missiles is not a good option for intercept manouvering missiles, they would use SM-6 instead.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:25 pm

    SM-6 meringue is very difficult to capture Ch 22/35, Kinzhal/Tsirkon. The missiles fly much higher than the ceiling of the SM-6. The only chance of interception is in the terminal phase before the target.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:56 am

    Τhe video also says that Tu-22M3M will become part of the nuclear tiad. Probably they mean with the new Kh-50 cruise missile

    Now they have working scramjet motors and flying hypersonic missiles in operational service I rather suspect they will soon developing much longer ranged missiles with much better performance that are smaller and lighter than the Kh-32 rocket propelled missile.

    They should integrate the Kinzhal into it. Replace the Kh-32 with the Kinzhal.

    Kinzhal is probably only 50% lighter than the Kh-32 and uses solid rocket technology.

    Right now carrying three Kh-32 is probably good enough, but the potential for carrying large missiles makes the Backfire useful, but they have MiG-31K for the Kinzhal, for which it is optimised. I would say the Tu-22M3M with the family members of Club but without the export restrictions makes rather more sense.

    The mach 3 rocket propelled Club uses a turbofan engine for long range subsonic flight... in the export model it is limited to about 250km because the missile is limited to 300km range in total.

    I would say a Club with a new rocket payload and 1,500km range of flight would be rather interesting.

    But the new missiles they are working on should be plenty... scramjet propulsion on its own will revolutionise how Russian planes destroy western targets.

    It is basically a one of a kind weapon, it uses an engine nothing else uses, it requires handling of toxic hypergolic fuel at air bases. And it is slower and has less range than the Kinzhal.

    Most modern high energy fuels are going to be nasty.

    It is an operational in service weapon that is probably amongst the most effective their navy currently operates.

    I would say an air launched version of Zircon would make more sense... being much lighter and faster and with equivalent range from a Backfire.

    SM-3 Block II is able to cintercept Kinzhal, Kh-32, Tsirkon class missiles?

    If Patriot PAC-3 can't do it then SM-3 probably wont either... these missiles were designed with such defences expected and are designed to evade defences as much as to hit targets.

    Is the missile able to intercept targets only outside the atmosphere?

    AFAIK it is designed to hit ballistic targets that are just going fast. It is not designed to hit a target that is actively trying to evade its interception.

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    Post  marcellogo Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:56 pm

    Arrow wrote:SM-6 meringue is very difficult to capture Ch 22/35, Kinzhal/Tsirkon. The missiles fly much higher than the ceiling of the SM-6. The only chance of interception is in the terminal phase before the target.
    Yes. but ABM missiles couldn't catch a missile that could easily change its own direction in the horizontal plane, so game, set, match.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:19 am

    Going back to the TU-22 M3M how many have they delivered? did they end up replacing the engine with the NK-32?
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    Post  lancelot Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:07 pm

    Zero. And no it is still using the NK-25.
    I assume it was physically impossible to fit the NK-32 in the airframe. There was a Tu-22M4 variant which never entered serial production in Soviet times with the NK-32 but that was with a new airframe.
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    Post  mnztr Fri Mar 08, 2024 6:25 am

    the NK-32 is actually a smaller diameter then the 25 and only 15cm longer. So its definitely doable, but who knows if its worth it, how many 25's they have instorage, parts how long do they want to operate the tu22 or there maybe some other reason its not feasible to switch.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:31 pm

    Russian Tu-22M3 over the Baltic waters were escorted by F-18 fighter-bombers of Finland, which recently joined NATO. Finnish fighters are flying on a parallel course with Russian planes, one at close range, the other at a distance. At least one of the F-18s was armed with AIM-9 air-to-air missiles mounted on the wing tips.

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