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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:48 pm

    Guys I am gonna tell you this, judging from the map Armenians appear to be winning this.
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    Post  Isos Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:50 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Guys I am gonna tell you this, judging from the map Armenians appear to be winning this.

    They lost half NK. How can you translate that into victory ?
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:51 pm

    Updated list of 790 Azerbaijani soldiers killed in Karabakh so far.

    https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:57 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Guys I am gonna tell you this, judging from the map Armenians appear to be winning this.

    If Armenians are guys who's country is on the coast of Caspian Sea and who are allied with Turkey then yes, Armenians are winning this

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:58 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Updated list of 790 Azerbaijani soldiers killed in Karabakh so far.

    https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/


    This is like 50th time he has posted this same spam message

    Mods should be getting on this by now
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:01 am

    Aliyev is so cruel he does not care about his own soldiers. Sending them into the meat grinder. Even Yeltsin and Poroshenko stopped the war after suffering far less casualties per capita. Ladies and gentlemen, this is what it's like to live in a Turkic dictatorship like Azerbaijan and your life is worth nothing.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:21 am


    Oh this should be fun, Stoltenberg will be pissing his pantaloons lol1

    US House of Representatives is considering a resolution to recognize the breakaway republic of Artsakh

    https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/5619715.html

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    Post  Isos Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:25 am

    It's too late... there is nothing left to recognize.

    Clearly US helping a useless "ally". Helps but don't help in the same time. I wonder how many billions they will ask to Armenia for the 2 or 3 f-16 they will sell them now that they saved NK. lol1 .
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:43 am

    An Az TOS-1A cooking off impressively in video at link. Very happy voice in background.


    https://twitter.com/Karabakh_MoD/status/1319961887493206023

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:46 am

    It's too late... there is nothing left to recognize.

    North Korea was also all but lost before China pushed the UN troops back to the 38th parallel. Israel almost lost the war in 1973. 
    Armenia & Iran can open new fronts while Russia blockades Azeris & Georgians from the air & sea. Don't count chicks before they hatch!

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    Post  Isos Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:07 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    It's too late... there is nothing left to recognize.

    North Korea was also all but lost before China pushed the UN troops back to the 38th parallel. Israel almost lost the war in 1973. 
    Armenia & Iran can open new fronts while Russia blockades Azeris & Georgians from the air & sea. Don't count chicks before they hatch!

    Russia doesn't need anyone to send AZ to stone age. They just don't want to and don't give a fuck about this useless region.

    Neither Iran for that matter.

    Armenia is left with US support only. You can see the result.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:10 am


    Swiped this off SB

    Azeri map up, Armenian map down:

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:34 am

    They just don't want to and don't give a fuck about this useless region.
    even if so, will they be able to keep their now isolated base in Armenia? Once it's gone, Turkey may wipe Armenia off the map. Therefore, it's in Russia's interests to preserve Armenia intact & prevent the Turks from getting a free reign in its backyard. 
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:14 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    They just don't want to and don't give a fuck about this useless region.
    even if so, will they be able to keep their now isolated base in Armenia? Once it's gone, Turkey may wipe Armenia off the map. Therefore, it's in Russia's interests to preserve Armenia intact & prevent the Turks from getting a free reign in its backyard.

    That base in Armenia is there for Armenian benefit not Russian

    As for Turkey wiping Armenia off the map it's Armenian problem first and foremost

    Armenia not existing will not increase Turkish reign in Russia's neighborhood and it will more than likely additionally stretch Turks thin



    Also:

    As of October 24, 2020, Armenia claims to have destroyed 600 Azerbaijani AFVs.

    Armenia shot itself in the foot by overinflating the number of destroyed Azerbaijani AFVs so much that they can only add a few more before the number becomes bigger than what Azerbaijan actually owns

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:37 am

    That base in Armenia is there for Armenian benefit not Russian
    if it was, it wouldn't be maintained there in the 1st place.
    As for Turkey wiping Armenia off the map it's Armenian problem first and foremost
    no, it's also Russia's problem- she'll lose all credibility with current & future friends if Armenia is thrown to the wolves. Also, as both r Christian Orthodox, abandoning them to the Muslims is unacceptable & unthinkable, given the past history of Armenian, Greek & Assyrian genocide at the hands of Turks. Finally, there is ODKB obligation to aid an ally, even if troublesome. If this organisation is known as a paper tiger, then China can grab a big piece of C. Asia which too would be against Russia's interests.
    Armenia not existing will not increase Turkish reign in Russia's neighborhood and it will more than likely additionally stretch Turks thin
    there r related Turkic speaking peoples from the Caspian shores & the lower Volga River to the Polar Ocean in Yakutia. Even moderate influence would be a problem for Russia, Iran, Kazakhstan, China & Mongolia.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:39 am

    Those people hasn't have had Turkish influence for well over a hundred years. Make that a couple hundred.

    Nah, they cant do shit.

    Russia is smarter than you by thousand fold, especially their intelligence agency. So if they aren't worried, neither am I.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:07 am

    Do u understand Russian? I watch their expert discussions online & they r worried about Pan-Turkism & what it would/could do to them. 
    Pl. refrain from personal derogatory remarks- I thought we been through this before, & can reply in kind.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:10 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:no, it's also Russia's problem- she'll lose all credibility with current & future friends if Armenia is thrown to the wolves...

    Well it's a good thing that Russia isn't throwing Armenia to the wolves

    However if Armenia decides to throw itself to the wolves there's nothing Russia can do about it, is there?

    We are all free to make our own choices and Armenian choices are not Russia's problem



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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:56 am

    Nothing I said was derogatory nor insulting. It's the truth. Plus I have read plenty and while they are worried of pan turkisim, it's purely because of a rise in terrorism with it

    Turks do not have influence over any region of Russia besides Chechnya. Now that is where Russia would be worried.

    As for rest, helping backstabber Armenia won't actually solve the issue.

    And NATO member won't be committing genocide so easily either. Cause the backlash out west will be extravagant.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:43 am

    Isos wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:Guys I am gonna tell you this, judging from the map Armenians appear to be winning this.

    They lost half NK. How can you translate that into victory ?

    Even the most braindead Azeis complain they only got 14% of Artsakh.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:22 am

    @ Abdul

    Azeris are not Turks.  They are now a mixed bunch.  They have more in common with Iranians. Even the Azeri language, is a mixture of Persian and Turkic dialect. You are not Azeri. I have more claim to being Azeri. My father is Azeri. In fact he was born in Baku. So were his brothers. I have many relatives that live in Azer. Their father, or my grand father is buried in Iran. My cousin Hossein, came to Iran, to visit his grave. He collected a handful of soil from Iran, to take back. When soviet Union dissolved, hundreds of Azeris, jumped into Aras river, to cross to Iran, to see relatives.

    Iranians do not fully consider R. AZER , as independent country. But part of Iran. They have long term plan to rejoin R. AZER , with Iran. In a slow methodical manner. Once Azeris, become reintroduced to  their mother country. Religion and language. But we know, that if push comes to shove, that unification will happen quickly. Very quickly.

    Azers, may be connected to Turks, somewhat with their tongues. But they are connected to Iran, by their hands. And our hands. I know my Azeri roots, by my father's side, for five generations. My four great grand fathers. They were Shia. Iranian.  Azeri speaking. Their names from the past :  Hossein  karbalai hag verdi,  khoda verdi, Khan verdi, Khan zadeh......

    The problem in caucases, as in other places, is leadership. The present leadership does not represent interests of the people there or in the region. Inviting outsiders into region. Creating a security problem. There may come a time, that Iran unites the caucases with Iran. And if some corpses are chewed up under Tanks. I hope they will be Turkish corpses. Now Erdogan sikdir back to Anatolia.

    Gan gani chakar. Yes but our blood. Not yours.

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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:59 am

    @nomadski

    Do you know Shah Ismail, he was more Turkish than Yavuz at the time. His poetry can be understood fully in Anatolia while Yavuz's language was heavily influenced by Persian.

    Azerbaijanians are Oghuzs. The bullshittery you are talking about is nothing but "Acem palavrası" "Ajam bullshit"

    There were more Turkic khaganates in Iran than Persian in middle ages. The difference was sect, which is not considered to be seperative now by Turks, but it is the only thing todays corrupt Mullah state rely on.
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    Post  Yugo90 Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:09 am

    I really don't understand why Armenia doesn't send regural armed forces to help fighters od NK. They should send at least 10-15000 troops if they want to save NK. If they loose it now then its game over for them. They will never get it back. So i hope they will move their army before AZ will cut them of from Armenia.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:26 am

    @ abdu

    I don't deny the Turkic influence in Iran. But you must understand that, there is also Arab influence in Iran. Iranians, many of them, speak two or more languages. But their loyalty is to Iran. They have Shia religion. And Persian customs.

    The Azeris conducted a genetic study of population. They conducted it themselves. And found closest match with Iranians. So no Azeris, are Iranian. Who speak also a watered down dialect of Turkic .

    Azer Abadegan, is Iranian territory . Is right next to Iran. Not Turkey. And I think Iran will reclaim this territory.  If the Turks want to go to war over it. Fine by me. AZER will be united with Iran, under Iranian flag.

    Azerbaijan Iranin Torpakh dir. Bir mamlakati dir.

    San harda boorda galmeeshan?


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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:41 pm

    Azərbaycan Azərbaycandı, Fars yox!

    Let people decide who they are. Today there are no Iranian flags in Azerbaijan but Turkish flag is everywhere. South Azerbaijani kids waving their hands to greet their brothers in the North.

    Your fake claims have no reality at all.

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