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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:53 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    It's remote, arms embrago is about to expire anyway and it won't be getting renewed, they have actual reasons to get involved and nobody gives enough shits about Armenia or Azerbaijan to anything major about it

    It expired on the 18th so all systems go last Monday. Hence all the stuff about buying NK ICBM via China.

    On Franco's comment about Ukraine supplying the motors. This must be in conjunction with their Turkey deal to assemble TB-2, presumably buying the kit from Turkey and the motors etc direct. Making statements like that at the start of a relationship really puts them in a bad position re end user certificates. They may have been used to doing much as they wanted up to now but NATO countries take EUC quite seriously, especially were they to end up in a war zone. This could endanger them getting supplies for themselves as who would believe what they are going to do with them now? Typical Ukrainians thinking with their butt.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:54 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:There's only thing left for the Soros trash Pussyninnyan, completely stepping down and having all your close political and economic allies put behind bars for your treason. I have no doubt now that he was going to let NK wither on the vine, sabotage relations with Russia, and integrate in to the UrinePeon Union.

    The lost land won't be returned anyway. Russia won't invade Azerbaijan. Azeri have quite good relation with Russia and aren't attacking Armenia but a land that even Russia recognize as Azeri. Azeri are doing things tge right way and won't make the mistake to go at war with Russia like Georgia did.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:24 pm

    Isos wrote:...The lost land won't be returned anyway. Russia won't invade Azerbaijan. Azeri have quite good relation with Russia and aren't attacking Armenia but a land that even Russia recognize as Azeri.

    A land that even ARMENIA recognize as Azeri.

    We are always going back to this one crucial fact

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:31 pm

    Azerbaijan-Armenia Conflict: Israeli-Made Cluster Bombs Used in Residential Areas


    That's a war crime, as well as striking a church earlier twice, & Armenians will press charges. Aliev, if captured, can be tried in Haaghe.
    If NK is besieged & taken, Armenia may use her BMs on Azeris, they retaliate, possibly hitting a dam & NPP, killing Ks of civilians on both sides- recall the Iran-Iraq War. Will Russia & Iran it on the fence then? I doubt it.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:33 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:...The lost land won't be returned anyway. Russia won't invade Azerbaijan. Azeri have quite good relation with Russia and aren't attacking Armenia but a land that even Russia recognize as Azeri.

    A land that even ARMENIA recognize as Azeri.

    We are always going back to this one crucial fact

    Don't you love it when people ignore facts because it suits their personal views.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:46 pm

    Updated names and photos of 770 Azeri soldiers killed in Karabakh so far

    https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:10 pm

    @ oldenburg

    I thought the point I was trying to make was obvious.  For the benefit of NK , a land corridor needs to be made between  Armenia and Artsakh. And  any populations ( human or animal) in decline, as a result of being attacked by another, need to be helped.

    Russia helps Turkey with defensive equipment. Even if Turkey is NATO.  And even once, stationed American Nukes on it's soil against Russia. And Turkey population is increasing. And Turks even attack Russia by proxy in Syria. And yet this excuse, that Armenia is NATO.

    Russia not attack Usrael. Even if Usrael attack Syria. An ally. With decreasing population. By war. And Usraelis eat Palestinian children. And make more Usrael children. Grow in population.

    Artsakh not attack Russia,  and face extermination. And no help?  So minorities vanish. Artsakhians. Palestinians. Syrians. Houthi...... It is about the world we want to see......... Only Rats running around...


    From wiki :

    ".... In 2019, the population of Turkey was 83.2 million with a growth rate of 1.39% per annum........"


    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/armenia-population/


    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/turkey-population/



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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:46 pm

    nomadski wrote:@ oldenburg

    I thought the point I was trying to make was obvious.......

    He was talking about your disastrous grammar, jumbled phrases and spelling errors

    Did you have an aneurysm lately or something?

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    Post  nomadski on Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:57 pm



    Perturbations due to small mobile, I use, does not have auto correct. And I think more important what we say, than how we say it. Every 1 understandz me. LOL.

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:05 pm

    Updated names and photos of 780 Azeris killed in Karabakh so far

    https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:40 pm

    Fred333 wrote:One thing that strikes me is that military blogs like warisboring and orynx spioenkop are all amplifying the Azeri claims and neglecting the Armenian side of the conflict. This feeds my suspicion that these are MIC NATO tools and propaganda outlets masquerading as independent blogging enthusiasts, similar to bellingcat. It is doubly surprising after all the human rights blabla agenda they usually virtue signal and the well known armenian genocide. I guess a second genocide is acceptable if it somehow disadvantages Russia.

    Basically this.

    If a side is linked to Russia, it's all good to slaughter it.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:49 pm

    Updated names and photos of 780 Azeris killed in Karabakh so far
    https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/
    Who cares about their names here? Those concerned can find them online themselves.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:50 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:...I mean if anyone here get that Armenia got conned by its leadership but doesn’t get that even with a Pro-Russia leadership the game is fucking rigged I cannot help you...

    With Pro-Russia leadership the game wouldn't have been rigged because the game would not have been played at all

    Turks didn't just decide suddenly to make their move out of the blue, Armenia made that decision for them when they discarded protection that Russia was providing for the past 30 years

    They saw the opportunity that Armenia offered to them and they took it



    Russia itself IGNORED the preparations for war.
    The contracts for the LORA systems date from 2017. The Israelis literally tripled their sales to AZ from 2016 to 2019.
    Turkey made that decision because of Russian developpments in Syria, Libya and in the Caucasus.
    The fact that Turkey is taking half the gas it was supposed to take, that it is going towards an AZ/RU swap for its TAP strategy. The fact it decided to push back in Idlib and the fact it is going deep in Ukraine have NOTHING TO DO with Armenia. Nor did Turkey provoke the mess with Georgia. Turkey is trying to get as much from Russia as possible knowing that they are living on borrowed time.

    This is the grand game. Turkey is maximalizing the lack of operational flexibility from Russia. While it knows it cannot do much vs Russia is the Russians move on AZ and ARM and Georgia, it can provoke a situation in a legalese situation to which no one can oppose, unless too late.

    Now the French are basically waking the fuck up, but Italy, Spain and the Germans are pushing for non-meddling. The US is all stupid and paradoxal. On one side they slap pseudo-sanctions and put pressure on Erdogan on the other they're too happy to see the Turks pull shit vs Russia. This is going to cost them a further intervention to stop Russia from bashing Turkey to the curb in the future because an official Turkish base in AZ is non-negotiable.

    God help the Azeris when Russia will come for them/
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:52 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Iran may really need to get involved in this war.


    Maysam Behravesh
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    The prevailing perception in Tehran is that #Azerbaijan's recapture & control of #NagornoKarabakh will likely fuel Turkish/Azeri separatist sentiments & ambitions in #Iran's adjacent provinces in northwest, which could threaten its national security & territorial integrity....
    ...

    If there is any war that Iran can get involved in without getting super slammed it's this one

    It's remote, arms embrago is about to expire anyway and it won't be getting renewed, they have actual reasons to get involved and nobody gives enough shits about Armenia or Azerbaijan to anything major about it


    Embargo already expired.

    Iran can help with untouched AA and create a nass for the TB-2's to avoid and can also "reply with artillery" to incursions especially vs Azeri side.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:57 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Embargo already expired.

    Iran can help with untouched AA and create a nass for the TB-2's to avoid and can also "reply with artillery" to incursions especially vs Azeri side.

    They seem to want to do even more. They move AD but also lot of artillery and tanks/bmp-2. Drones and ballistic missile are there too for sure.

    The likely scebario is that Iran pushes abd creates a buffer zone in NK to keep turks/azeri/alnusra away from Iranian turcophone population.


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    This video shows 12 T-72M1 Main Battle Tanks and 7 BMP-2 Infantry Fighting Vehicles of #IRGC Ground (Land) Force on their ways to the border with #Artsakh/#NagornoKarabakh. It is possible that #RGC & #Iran Army launch an operation to create 5km buffer zone all along the border
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:04 pm

    If Iran touches Azerbaijan, will face an implosion that will crumble it all the pieces that corrupt Mullahs barely hold together
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:13 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:If Iran touches Azerbaijan, will face an implosion that will crumble it all the pieces that corrupt Mullahs barely hold together
    Turkey may also implode with Kurds, Armenians, Azeris, Arabs & others living there.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:23 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:If Iran touches Azerbaijan, will face an implosion that will crumble it all the pieces that corrupt Mullahs barely hold together
    Turkey may also implode with Kurds, Armenians, Azeris, Arabs & others living there.

    Azeris = Turks.

    Arabs = Except refugees, most of them are pro Turkish state (even refugees are pro Turkish mostly)

    Armenians = Not many to create a problem.

    Kurds = Maybe, but they ve been trying to cause a problem but havent succeeded in anything and Turkish state is extremely experienced in how to keep them in check.

    Iran;

    Turks = at about 20 million already pissed off against corrupt Mullahs.

    Belochis, Turkmens,Arabs,Kurds, Afghans all sort of different nationalities exist in millions. Also dissidents within Iran against oppressive Mullah laws.

    Whenever they got chance, shots fired in Iran. If Turkish economy is 1x shit, Iran economy is 10x shit.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:39 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Updated names and photos of 780 Azeris killed in Karabakh so far
    https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/
    Who cares about their names here? Those concerned can find them online themselves.

    He is spamming again



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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:50 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Russia itself IGNORED the preparations for war...

    It's ARMENIAN war first and foremost

    You expect Ruskies to do heavy lifting all by themselves AND to volunteer for the job while Armenians sit on their asses?



    KoTeMoRe wrote:The contracts for the LORA systems date from 2017...

    And in 2018 Armenia told Russia to take a hike

    Are they supposed to wipe their asses for them as well?



    KoTeMoRe wrote:Turkey is trying to get as much from Russia as possible knowing that they are living on borrowed time...

    Anything they might get would be miniscule and temporary at best so it's another reason for them to not to get involved in this nonsense

    Relax and wait, time ain't on Turkey's side anyway as you said it


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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:57 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:If Iran touches Azerbaijan, will face an implosion that will crumble it all the pieces that corrupt Mullahs barely hold together

    Keep dreaming.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

    What is the stance of Azeris in Iran?

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    Post  franco on Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:34 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:What is the stance of Azeris in Iran?


    Ethnic minority like the Kurds and monitored closely. They are shites like the farsi so that relieves some issues.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:00 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:There's only thing left for the Soros trash Pussyninnyan, completely stepping down and having all your close political and economic allies put behind bars for your treason. I have no doubt now that he was going to let NK wither on the vine, sabotage relations with Russia, and integrate in to the UrinePeon Union.

    People posting in this thread ragging on Russia for not doing this and that to "save its friend" systematically ignore that
    Armenia was regime changed. Russia has had bitter experience with all regime changed ex-USSR republics like
    Georgia, Ukraine, etc. The regime change in Armenia paved the way for this war. Not Russian "inaction". In fact,
    the war is pure bait to drag Russia into it and then have the precious NATzO west screech about Russian "aggression".

    All those Armenians who marched in favour of yet another of Washington's colour revolutions can eat shit.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:21 pm

    To save his own skin, Pashinyan may soon dump the West like Lukashenko did. Putin probably just waits for for him to sober up- once it happens, Russia will come & help him purge his regime, if not himself.

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