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    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:26 pm

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:When they went in Syria Assad was left with only the coast. They were going to loose Tartus. So it's not "immediatly". They webt there at the very last moment. 1 month later Assad would have been dead.

    They didn't have any defense agreements with Syria


    Neither with NK....

    It's important for people to realize they recognized Syrian land as Syrian...and they had a base in the country.

    They do not recognize NK has Armenian nor do they have any bases in NK.

    This isn't hard to understand...I am honestly baffled at how people do not understand this.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:38 pm

    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Blkbullet1
    Pompeo To Host Armenian, Azerbaijan Envoys
     
     2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Blkbullet1 Second Nagorno-Karabakh Truce Continues to Falter
     2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Blkbullet1 Nagorno-Karabakh Leader Accuses Israel of Supporting 'Genocide'

    What Role Is Russia Playing in the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict?
    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Blkbullet1 UN Security Council Discusses Nagorno-Karabakh Fighting
    https://iz.ru/1076293/elnar-bainazarov/mezhdu-mirom-i-voinoi-chto-stoit-za-zaiavleniiami-erevana-i-baku
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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:19 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Blkbullet1
    Pompeo To Host Armenian, Azerbaijan Envoys
     
     2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Blkbullet1 Second Nagorno-Karabakh Truce Continues to Falter
     2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Blkbullet1 Nagorno-Karabakh Leader Accuses Israel of Supporting 'Genocide'

    What Role Is Russia Playing in the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict?
    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Blkbullet1 UN Security Council Discusses Nagorno-Karabakh Fighting
    https://iz.ru/1076293/elnar-bainazarov/mezhdu-mirom-i-voinoi-chto-stoit-za-zaiavleniiami-erevana-i-baku

    Well, Jews want the Shoa to be considered singular and thus no other genocide can be a real genocide.

    This includes ignoring the fact that Soviet POWs were used as forced labour to build Auschwitz and were the first through the ovens.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:07 am

    Lol the Soviets were pretty big on forced labor themselves with their own people too.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:35 am

    Well, Jews want the Shoa to be considered singular and thus no other genocide can be a real genocide.
    The Israeli gov. isn't speaking/acting for all Jews.  opinion
    Russia has an arc of instability on its periphery
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    Post  nomadski Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:14 am

    Is this really Russia military personnel?  In border area?  If so does anyone know where exactly they are?  In this report, it says, they are in border of  NK - ARMENIA. ( syunik County) Where are Iranian vehicles?  Why are they not in border area also.......... Useless bunch........


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    Post  NationalRus Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:47 am

    Armenia/NKR Army is in full colapse..... it was interesting watching the conflict from both sides at the same time in armenian media and MOD and azeri media and MOD

    -first it was a massive counter attack in the south from Hadrut to the direction of Horadiz to cut the azeris of, then silence from the armenian side about the counter attack and videos come out from the azeris showing massive destruction of armenian columns

    -then it was glorious defence of Hadrut that will stay armenian and again dozens of videos of azeris in Hadrut 2-3 days later and silence from the armenian side about it, no glorious fight no nothing

    -yesterday it was again MASSIVE counter attack from armenia in all armenian news in the south to cut the azeri army of in Mincivan and Zəngilan and give them a massive couldron battle, now nothing silence about the "massive counter attack" and again videos from the azeris of massive destruction of armenian forces and new videos of azeris already pounding armenian forces 30km to the north half way to Laçın the only major supply rout from armenia to NRk...

    armenia got destroyed, reminds me of a post i did here 7,5 years ago

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t2517p25-russia-azerbaijan-defense-contracts#35794

    NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:00 am
    the only logical result to solve the problem, sad but armenia will never give back NkR and the people of NKR will never agree to give up ther homeland, azerbaijan will never accept the lose of its territory or a politcal soultion loosing them, or it will be a endless status quo ( and endlessnes is impossible) or it will be fought out again, and then it depends how much of an edge to the azeris have, how well the armenians are trained and how deep dug in, and will turkey make a move


    looks like paschinjan's friend and mentor Soros didn't help
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:14 pm

    This war is pretty bloody. Russia won't stop the war because it's beneficial to Russia to sell military hardware to both sides.

    names and photos of 620 identified Azeri KIA in Karabakh so far

    https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/

    another Azeri BTR-82A captured by Armenians

    https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1318842758895947776
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:59 pm

    Southern part of NK is almost totally under AZ control. Armenian side is throwing their human reservoir to the combat as to stop AZ army at all costs, but I doubt it will change anything. Armenian side should try to give up legit AZ lands and try to negotiate for rights of Armenians of NK.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:57 pm

    As long as Turks are helping Aliyev, advance into  Armenian land. Then Russia and Iran will not stop helping  Armenia. You have seen Russian soldiers in Armenia proper. So Sultan Erdo, can forget attacking Armenia. And as far as Artsakh. Then Armenians will not give up legitimate rights. So time for Turks to go back to Anatolia. AZER is not their territory. AZER soldiers now, have reclaimed land. No reason to die in endless war, against Armenia. Over Armenian land. They should turn against Aliyev and Erdo gang . Get him out of power. With little help from you know who.


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    I don't care, who Armenians are in bed with .  The Kardashians or Soros or Hillary cliterous . As long as there are no donkeys  ( a slang in Iran for Turks) or Azeri separatists there.


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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:11 pm

    nomadski wrote:As long as Turks are helping Aliyev, advance into  Armenian land. Then Russia and Iran will not stop helping  Armenia. You have seen Russian soldiers in Armenia proper. So Sultan Erdo, can forget attacking Armenia. And as far as Artsakh. Then Armenians will not give up legitimate rights. So time for Turks to go back to Anatolia.

    I would prefer if the turks would also give up Anatolia and return to central asia (and/or move to Germania or Gallia).

    I would not mind at all if my next city would be Costantinopoli/ Nova Roma

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:14 pm

    Death Toll Rises Despite 2nd Karabakh Ceasefire
     
    Nagorno-Karabakh Says Death Toll Among Its Military Rises to 772
    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdgxhtav2e25a8.cloudfront.net%2Fblkbullet1 Nagorno-Karabakh Fighting Continues Despite Truce Efforts
     2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1 - Page 37 Mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdgxhtav2e25a8.cloudfront.net%2Fblkbullet1 Armenia Wants Iran's Help, Azerbaijan Says West Not Doing Enough

    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/10/21/prizval/
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:42 pm

    Azeri army is pretty pathetic. Even with thousands of Taliban terrorists flown in from Afghanistan and thousands of Nusra terrorists flown in from Syria, they can't take a region of only 100,000 people. Pathetic.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:58 pm

    Defenders in the mountains have the advantage against superior forces. 
    Taking those areas around NK bought the Armenians these 2 weeks; I suspect, as mentioned before, that it's a plot to provoke Iran-Turkey war. 
    The Iran-Iraq War was also in the Western & Israeli interests.
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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:33 pm

    Armenians suck at hiding their stuff.

    This osa is on a "road" in the middle of nowhere so it's easy to spot them.

    They need to clean the footprints of the vehicles and use more vegetation and dummy AD vehicles in the area where they deploy real AD. Fake Osa are easy to make with some plastics and woods. Drones have not sophiticated EO to spot real target from fake ones. They need 10-15 dummy vehicles for every real one.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:56 pm


    I got this off spacebattles.com;

    https://caspiannews.com/news-detail/russia-azerbaijan-discuss-settlement-of-nagorno-karabakh-conflict-2020-9-23-36/

    ... Meanwhile, PM Pashinyan instructed his foreign minister Zohrab Mnatsakanyan to spare no effort for securing a meeting with the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo. Pashinyan is said to have tasked the Armenian embassy in Washington, the Armenian lobby, and communities in the US for this purpose. The embassy has reportedly allocated funds from the state budget for hiring American lobbyists, including former senator Bob Dole, as well...

    Apparently Pashinyan knew that something was up (duh!) well in advance and instead of contacting Moscow he was running off to Pompeo (who didn't even meet with them) to save their asses

    I can safely say that Pashinyan is about to become for Armenians what Milosevic is to us Serbs but unlike good old Slobo Pasha definitely wasn't in on the gameplan and he actually fucked up for real despite writing being on the wall in big neon letters

    And Armenia definitely had the option of learning from other folks' mistakes unlike Serbia

    This is like watching 5 years of Serbian history from the 90's playing out over the period of 2 weeks No

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:08 pm

    I don't understand the point your making Papa.

    Are you saying he is going to sell Armenia out to the West to save NK?.
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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:26 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I don't understand the point your making Papa.

    Are you saying he is going to sell Armenia out to the West to save NK?.

    He is saying he choosed US over Russia as support since long time ago and probavly burned his chances to see Putin saving his ass.
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:27 pm

    Turkey poised to deploy troops to Azerbaijan if requested

    ANKARA, October 21. /TASS/. Turkish Vice President Fuat Oktay confirmed on Wednesday that Ankara was ready to deploy its troops to Azerbaijan to back Baku in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

    "Our president [Recep Tayyip Erdogan] announced it on the very first day [of a renewed escalation in Nagorno-Karabakh]. Turkey does not hesitate and our president does not hesitate," Oktay said in a televised interview with CNN Turk answering a question from the TV host.

    Ankara reiterated earlier its support to Baku and voiced readiness for assistance both at the negotiation table and on the battlefield.

    https://tass.com/world/1214887
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:29 pm

    A sensible path of attack, down the flatter land.


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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:32 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I don't understand the point your making Papa.

    Are you saying he is going to sell Armenia out to the West to save NK?.

    I am saying he will lose NK because he keeps living in a dream land and is putting interests of his bosses ahead of interests of his own people

    That and painfully obvious lack of any kind of planning and whole pile of dumb easily avoidable mistakes

    Azeris were getting ready for this since the 90's and everyone could see it, and how was Armenia preparing to counter it? By torching links to one country that could save them (Russia is right next door to Armenia unlike with Serbia)


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:13 pm

    Ah then yes Armenia is losing the war now, so if this keeps up NK will fall.

    Armenia did not prepare and that cost them.
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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:25 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ah then yes Armenia is losing the war now, so if this keeps up NK will fall.

    Armenia did not prepare and that cost them.

    They were not prepared to save NK but they are quite prepared to inflict terrible damages to Azerbaijan in a full war with the iskanders and the su-30.

    They also have domestic drones and suicide drones that they seem not to be using and keeping them probably because they can't produce a lot and the material thatvthey would destroy right now would be replaced quickly thanks to the oil and gas that Azerbaijan sells.

    In a full out war, Iskander and su-30 could destroy their economy and the "tactical" weapons would stop any invasion untill Russia helps them.
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    Post  lyle6 Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:12 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ah then yes Armenia is losing the war now, so if this keeps up NK will fall.

    Armenia did not prepare and that cost them.

    Nonsense. The Armenians have committed but a small fraction of their military potential thus far, and nor have we seen the Azeris making any inroads into the strategically significant highlands. Instead, much of the territorial gains made by the Azeris are confined to the indefensible steppes where they are placed under fire control from the commanding heights and they are reaping quite the butcher's bill for it.

    If anything, its the Azeris and Turks who are on a ticking timer. They only have a few weeks before winter sets in and literally freeze the conflict for them.


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