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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:44 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:@Max


    The problem is that even if he did, Russia has made their position clear long as the fighting stays in NK, they will not act. People need to accept, Russia isn't going to save NK because again they consider that occupied Azeri land.

    Azeri would be also free to respond to Armenia attacking them from Armenian soil say if they fired arty, long as Azeri only targeted that position.

    Strike of relation also will not bring Russia in.

    People thinking if Armenia just pounds Azeri forces from their side of the boarder and get fired at in return would make Russia act are clueless.

    Mhh Artsakh is not Occupied land. There are areas that are currently under NK control that are AZ land, but Artsakh per se chose to unite with Armenia. It is going to be a deep problem for whoever comes next with a solution for the counter ethnic cleansing in the Caucasus that is about to happen. Especially if you expect Armenians to "live" under AZ control after these guys killed and maimed their kin.

    It's a clowkwork circle of violence; "Russia" can say what it wants, but VVP could not claim anything if he let's that happen. Even worse, the moment Armenians hit the roads, Russia is out of Guymri. Period.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:46 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:AZ wont attack ARM lands. But it ARM attacks from ARM land, it will have opportunity to return fire accordingly. No overkills. Then it wont be considered unprovoked and considered to be ARM offensive stance. Hence no justification for CSTO help.

    AZ and Turkey have attacked ARM 6 times already (verified) and more unverified.

    Including one occasion while being unprovoked (bus full of reservists) in Vardenis and the SU-25...

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:49 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:@Max


    The problem is that even if he did, Russia has made their position clear long as the fighting stays in NK, they will not act. People need to accept, Russia isn't going to save NK because again they consider that occupied Azeri land.

    Azeri would be also free to respond to Armenia attacking them from Armenian soil say if they fired arty, long as Azeri only targeted that position.

    Strike of relation also will not bring Russia in.

    People thinking if Armenia just pounds Azeri forces from their side of the boarder and get fired at in return would make Russia act are clueless.

    Mhh Artsakh is not Occupied land. There are areas that are currently under NK control that are AZ land, but Artsakh per se chose to unite with Armenia. It is going to be a deep problem for whoever comes next with a solution for the counter ethnic cleansing in the Caucasus that is about to happen. Especially if you expect Armenians to "live" under AZ control after these guys killed and maimed their kin.

    It's a clowkwork circle of violence; "Russia" can say what it wants, but VVP could not claim anything if he let's that happen. Even worse, the moment Armenians hit the roads, Russia is out of Guymri. Period.


    Yes Artsakh is Azeri in fact EVERY nation on earth minus Armenia considers it Azeri land. You can deny this reality all you want, You don't have to see it had Azeri land, but that doesn't change the fact at all it is.

    I do not care who controls it but I am not going to turn my head and deny a fact because people such as yourself.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:02 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:@Max


    The problem is that even if he did, Russia has made their position clear long as the fighting stays in NK, they will not act. People need to accept, Russia isn't going to save NK because again they consider that occupied Azeri land.

    Azeri would be also free to respond to Armenia attacking them from Armenian soil say if they fired arty, long as Azeri only targeted that position.

    Strike of relation also will not bring Russia in.

    People thinking if Armenia just pounds Azeri forces from their side of the boarder and get fired at in return would make Russia act are clueless.

    Mhh Artsakh is not Occupied land. There are areas that are currently under NK control that are AZ land, but Artsakh per se chose to unite with Armenia. It is going to be a deep problem for whoever comes next with a solution for the counter ethnic cleansing in the Caucasus that is about to happen. Especially if you expect Armenians to "live" under AZ control after these guys killed and maimed their kin.

    It's a clowkwork circle of violence; "Russia" can say what it wants, but VVP could not claim anything if he let's that happen. Even worse, the moment Armenians hit the roads, Russia is out of Guymri. Period.


    Yes Artsakh is Azeri in fact EVERY nation on earth minus Armenia considers it Azeri land. You can deny this reality all you want, You don't have to see it had Azeri land, but that doesn't change the fact at all it is.

    I do not care who controls it but I am not going to turn my head and deny a fact because people such as yourself.

    Crimea River.

    No. Arstakh once again went through a independence movement under the the old regime, held its own under the nw ownership, including help by Russia then. It is now let to rot because Russia doesn't want to deal with another pile of turd between idiots. However that pile of shit will spash Russia sooner or later.

    You don't care who controls it, well you will and It will be funny the mental gymnastics geopolitical illiterates like you are going do when Russia would have to bash Azerbaijan in the head to make sure they understand that Turkish bases in that shithole of a country are a big NONO.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:09 pm

    Crimea River lol! , I like that one. Pretty good, I'll use that in the future.

    None of what you mentioned changes a thing, it's still Azer land.

    Now if you will direct your salt to my plate, I can get my dinner seasoned.
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    Post  Maximmmm on Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:13 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:@Max


    The problem is that even if he did, Russia has made their position clear long as the fighting stays in NK, they will not act. People need to accept, Russia isn't going to save NK because again they consider that occupied Azeri land.

    Azeri would be also free to respond to Armenia attacking them from Armenian soil say if they fired arty, long as Azeri only targeted that position.

    Strike of relation also will not bring Russia in.

    People thinking if Armenia just pounds Azeri forces from their side of the boarder and get fired at in return would make Russia act are clueless.

    Yes and I've said many times here as well that the Armenian government was idiotic to distance itself from the only country that could have offered it genuine security.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:36 pm

    The yanquis snookered themselves with their colour revolution in Armenia. They needed a new regime to trigger this war
    and then expected that Russia would heart bleed for Armenia and take the bait. Washington is really full of retard deciders.
    They failed in the case of Ukraine, so why would they succeed in the case of Armenia? If they are not totally free of the
    ability to think, they must have thought that Russia was too weak in 2014 to intervene in Ukraine. But that just confirms
    how deficient their thinking is.

    The question remains: if Armenia is not prepared to fight for NK, then why should Russia?

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:43 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Crimea River  lol! , I like that one. Pretty good, I'll use that in the future.

    None of what you mentioned changes a thing, it's still Azer land.

    Now if you will direct your salt to my plate, I can get my dinner seasoned.

    So what? And Taiwan is legally Chinese land. What's your point?
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:44 pm

    a list of 660 Azeri soldiers KIA in Karabakh so far

    https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:46 pm

    Russian EW downed another Azeri TB2 UAV

    https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1319306576453341184

    https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1319315908561698819
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 pm

    Armenian PM Sees No Diplomatic Solution in Nagorno-Karabakh

    Azerbaijan continues advance deeper into Armenian-held territory


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    “The war will end and we will still have to live together here”


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7MOrXI40fk


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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:30 pm

    Aliyev suggests autonomy for Armenians in Azerbaijan. Armenians in Azerbaijan rejects. Wants own country.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/22/azeri-president-says-armenians-can-have-cultural-autonomy
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:56 pm

    So the Armenians choose all or nothing, well then lets see who wins in the end.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:26 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Aliyev suggests autonomy for Armenians in Azerbaijan. Armenians in Azerbaijan rejects. Wants own country.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/22/azeri-president-says-armenians-can-have-cultural-autonomy

    Look at what he does and not what he says. He did not bother offering them autonomy first but decided for a land grab.

    So it looks like all the stories about the imminent triumph of the Azeris are not true.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:37 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Crimea River  lol! , I like that one. Pretty good, I'll use that in the future.

    None of what you mentioned changes a thing, it's still Azer land.

    Now if you will direct your salt to my plate, I can get my dinner seasoned.

    Crimea is legally Ukrainian la...oh wait.
    I maintain, it would be funny to look what kind of kinky pole dancing moves y'all will pull to justify Russia wasting Azeris ala Idlib.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:51 pm

    All those Turks have 2-3 more weeks max. before winter comes, & IMO Armenians will hold out that long. Georgia may also decide to swing to the Armenian side, or at least close its airspace to Turkish supply flight to Azeris, to prevent Russia from blaming them & taking more of their land to connect with Armenia. Iran, backed by PRC, may start a new front to aid Armenia & prevent Turkey from coming to the S. Caspian. 
    Even if Azeris win, Russia still has the final word, backed by her military+ Wagner fighters in Black/Caspian Seas, Syria, & S. Russia.
    Stay tuned!
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    Post  nomadski on Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:18 pm

    Realism is a good thing. People are divided by race, language, class or ideology. Once there is killing involved, between any two communities. Then healing the wounds take a long time. If differences are merely political or ideological, the least form of division, then even in these cases, healing may take a few generations. Examples of these types are the Korean war. But if divisions involve religion and language, together with war, then healing process takes a few centuries. If race is involved then communities never mix.

    In this case, religion and language are barriers. Worsened by war. There is no realistic chance of peaceful mixed community, for many generations. And in this case, then the only solution, is to allow for unification of homogenous communities. Physically separate people. To allow wounds to heal. So the Azeri plan is not going to work. The world must recognise Artsakh, as part of Armenia. But Armenia needs to do this first. In the absence of this realization. Then the best anyone can do, is to limit or stop the fighting. And there is no limit, to the worst anyone can do.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:20 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:All those Turks have 2-3 more weeks max. before winter comes, & IMO Armenians will hold out that long. Georgia may also decide to swing to the Armenian side, or at least close its airspace to Turkish supply flight to Azeris, to prevent Russia from blaming them & taking more of their land to connect with Armenia. Iran, backed by PRC, may start a new front to aid Armenia & prevent Turkey from coming to the S. Caspian. 
    Even if Azeris win, Russia still has the final word, backed by her military+ Wagner fighters in Black/Caspian Seas, Syria, & S. Russia.
    Stay tuned!

    Georgia is not going to swing sides, they are too happy to make a Schadenfreuden point to Armenia about 2008.
    All the rest is pipedream. China can help with drones for the next round of fighting, but it is too late for now.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:26 pm

    https://economics.segodnya.ua/economics/enews/investicii-v-obmen-na-karabah-baku-sdelal-erevanu-vygodnoe-predlozhenie-1484208.html- it won't work after all that happened to Armenians.

    https://apostrophe.ua/news/world/ex-ussr/2020-10-22/azerbaydjan-zayavil-o-polnom-kontrole-granitsyi-s-iranom-svejaya-karta-boev/212640

    https://apostrophe.ua/news/world/2020-10-22/azerbaydjan-pones-poteri-v-lesnyih-boyah-s-voyskami-armenii-video-21/212631
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    Post  Isos on Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:06 pm

    Translated it means "fuck you" lol1


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    Post  franco on Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:36 pm

    Second Karabakh war: interim results Azerbaijan uses the superiority of its own combat potential

    About the authors: Ruslan N. Pukhov - Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies; Mikhail Sergeevich Barabanov is the scientific editor of the Arms Export magazine.

    The hostilities launched by Azerbaijan on September 27 in Nagorno-Karabakh, as it is already quite obvious, have developed into a full-scale second Karabakh war, directed by Baku to break the long status quo in the zone of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict that has developed since the 1994 ceasefire.

    The main goal of the Azerbaijani side in the launched military campaign was the exploitation of a significant shift in the potential of the sides in favor of Azerbaijan, which had been going on over the past two decades. This shift gave Azerbaijan the resources and opportunities to finally solve the main national task - taking revenge for Azerbaijan's military defeat in the 1992-1994 Karabakh war.

    As far as can be judged, the minimum task for Baku in the new military campaign was the liberation of the territory of a part of the Azeri regions held by the Armenians, which were not previously part of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region (NKAO). However, the main consequence of the new war was the opportunity for Azerbaijan to unfreeze the Karabakh conflict, preventing a return to the 1994 ceasefire and opening up the possibility of constant pressure on the Armenian side. Even if it is necessary to stop the advance, the Azerbaijani side, apparently, does not intend to allow a complete ceasefire.

    An important military-political feature of the new Karabakh war was the full support of Azerbaijan from Turkey, which supplies Baku with modern weapons, as well as provides broad intelligence, information, personnel and advisory support. There are several hundred Turkish military personnel in Azerbaijan, F-16 fighters of the Turkish Air Force have been deployed, and, apparently, Turkish military personnel directly control unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) from the Azerbaijani side. Turkey has also recruited and deployed significant numbers of Syrian and Libyan fighters to Azerbaijan.

    Such support from Turkey is combined with an overall favorable international situation for Azerbaijan. The reaction of the main world powers of the West in general to the unleashing of military actions by Azerbaijan remains sluggish, and Russia did not actively support Armenia as its ally in the Collective Security Treaty Organization and, in general, for maintaining the status quo.

    Thus, objectively, the Armenian side is isolated, and Baku has a free hand to continue active hostilities, which the Azerbaijani side uses. It is characteristic that Azerbaijan does not hesitate to strike at the enemy's weapons on the territory of Armenia proper.

    Assessing the course of hostilities, we can conclude that after the Azerbaijanis attempted decisive offensive actions in the north and south of the territory of the self-proclaimed NKR in the first days, accompanied by quite significant losses due to the opposition of the Armenian forces in prepared defensive positions, the Azerbaijani command changed its tactics and switched to a slow one. the methodical gnawing of pieces of the territory controlled by the Armenians. In general, it is obvious that the numerical superiority of the Azerbaijani ground forces is not large enough to carry out massive breakthroughs, bypasses and encirclements of the operational scale of the Armenian forces in Karabakh,However, in combination with general fire superiority (including through the use of UAVs and high-precision weapons), it makes it possible to implement the method of gradually capturing territory and pushing back the enemy.

    The Azerbaijani tactics of a gradual offensive are based on the “softening” of the Armenian positional defense and tactical reserves in Karabakh. The main methods of action by the Azerbaijani side are the delivery of long-term strong strikes against Armenian positions and places of concentration and the transfer of tactical reserves with artillery, missile weapons and unmanned strike weapons; attempts to “knock out” Armenian air defense systems with high-precision weapons (primarily guided weapons from drones and unmanned patrolling ammunition), as well as military equipment in caponiers and firing points. The offensive is carried out primarily by detachments of special operations forces and infantry units with the support of armored vehicles, while achieving a large numerical superiority in selected sectors of the offensive.

    As a result, in three weeks of hostilities, the Azerbaijani side was able to occupy the flat part of the Tartar region in the north of the NKR. The greatest successes by the Azerbaijanis were achieved in the relatively flat southern part of the NKR, where the Azerbaijani troops managed to achieve large penetrations both along the Iranian border and in the directions of Gadrut and Fizuli, which was apparently achieved by the introduction of forces there, acting as an operational reserve. 1st army corps of the Azerbaijani army. As far as can be judged, the Armenian attempts at counterstrikes in the south have failed, now the Azerbaijanis are gradually slowly moving north.

    At the same time, until now, the main Azerbaijani successes have been achieved in relatively flat areas, the struggle for the mountainous areas, where the main Armenian fortified centers of resistance are located, is just beginning. As you can understand, the Armenian side is now betting on exhausting the forces of Azerbaijanis in mountainous regions, including in connection with the weakening of the Azerbaijanis' ability to use their military-technical superiority there. The imminent onset of autumn weather may also dramatically reduce Azerbaijan's ability to use unmanned aerial vehicles.

    The massive use of UAVs from the Azerbaijani side for strikes against ground targets became a distinctive feature of the second Karabakh war. Azerbaijanis use a wide range of attack UAVs - both disposable loitering ammunition and tactical reconnaissance and strike UAVs. equipped with high-precision small-sized ammunition.

    The UAV-loitering munitions available in Azerbaijan include Israeli-made vehicles: the older and larger Israel Aerospace Industries Harop (135 kg weight, 23 kg warhead weight, flight duration up to six hours with a flight range of up to 1000 km), and more modern and smaller Elbit Systems SkyStriker (weight 35 kg, warhead weight 5 or 10 kg, flight duration up to two hours, range up to 300 km) and Aeronautics Defense Systems Orbiter 1K (assembly of which was organized in Azerbaijan under the designation Zrb-K, weight 13 kg, warhead weight 3 kg, flight duration up to two and a half hours with a range of up to 120 km). The disadvantage of the Harop ammunition, with its considerable range, is the noisy internal combustion engine,the sound of which often unmasks the apparatus and allows the enemy personnel to take cover before his attack. SkyStriker and Orbiter 1K have silent electric motors, but are purely tactical UAVs, and their warheads are relatively weak.

    For reconnaissance, Azerbaijan also has a whole range of Israeli-made UAVs: heavy medium-altitude Elbit Systems Hermes 900 (takeoff weight 1100 kg, flight altitude up to 9100 m, flight duration up to 36 hours) and Israel Aerospace Industries Heron (weight 1150 kg, flight altitude up to 10 000 m, flight duration up to 52 hours), tactical Elbit Systems Hermes 450 (weight 550 kg, flight altitude up to 5500 m, flight duration up to 18 hours), Israel Aerospace Industries Searcher Mk 2 (weight 500 kg, flight altitude up to 6100 m, flight duration up to 18 hours), Aeronautics Defense Systems Aerostar (weight 230 kg, flight duration up to 12 hours) and light Aeronautics Defense Systems Orbiter 2M (weight 10.5 kg, flight duration up to 3.5 hours), Orbiter 3 (weight 30 kg, flight duration up to 8 hours), Orbiter 4 (weight 50 kg,flight duration up to 24 hours) and BlueBird Aero Systems ThunderB (weight 32 kg, flight duration up to 24 hours).

    However, apparently, the main air strike force of Azerbaijan in this conflict is the well-known Turkish-made tactical UAV Bayraktar TB2. Earlier, Azerbaijan did not report on the purchase of these UAVs (only about plans), so, apparently, all devices of this type used in the Karabakh war were provided to Azerbaijan by Turkey immediately before the start of hostilities and are probably controlled by Turkish operators. The Bayraktar TB2 UAV, developed and manufactured by Baykar Makina and previously noted for its successful combat use in Syria and Libya, has a wingspan of 12 meters, a takeoff weight of 650 kg, a payload mass of 55 kg, a flight altitude of up to 8100 m, a flight duration without weapons up to 24 hours. The control is carried out by radio channel,therefore, the actual range of the device does not exceed the radio horizon (up to 150-200 km). In general, Bayraktar TB2 is a fairly simple apparatus, made with a wide use of commercial components. The means of destruction for this UAV are also two types of very simple small-sized bombs with a semi-active laser guidance system - MAM-L (weight 22 kg, actually a "cut off" version of ATGM without an engine) and MAM-C (weight 8.5 kg, "cut off" a variant of a 70 mm rocket without an engine).actually a "cut" version of the ATGM without an engine) and MAM-C (weight 8.5 kg, a "cut off" version of a 70-mm rocket without an engine).actually a "cut" version of the ATGM without an engine) and MAM-C (weight 8.5 kg, a "cut off" version of a 70-mm rocket without an engine).

    Azerbaijan's massive use of loitering ammunition and Bayraktar TB2 UAVs has become an effective means of destroying armored vehicles, artillery, vehicles and air defense systems of the Armenian side. To date, only according to the videos of combat use widespread by the Azerbaijani side, as well as other photo and video materials, these weapons have reliably hit on the Armenian side more than 60 T-72 tanks, about 20 other armored vehicles, 11 self-propelled howitzers, up to 15 artillery pieces, up to 30 MLRS, up to 20 SAM combat vehicles, five radars, up to 60 vehicles, separate launchers for the S-300PS air defense missile system and the Elbrus missile system, as well as a significant number of other targets, up to individual groups of military personnel.

    Of course, the combat effectiveness of UAVs should not be overestimated: with air supremacy, even the limited forces of real combat aviation and combat helicopters would apparently inflict no less, and probably even greater losses and make it generally impossible for the Armenian forces to move along the roads in Karabakh. However, in view of the fact that the Armenian side has a very significant, albeit outdated, network of air defense systems, the loss of manned combat aircraft and helicopters in this case would be inevitable.

    In this case, it was clearly demonstrated that the detection and defeat of such inconspicuous targets as loitering ammunition and small UAVs is a very nontrivial task for a modern air defense system, which is currently difficult to solve. Medium-altitude reconnaissance and strike UAVs (including the Bayraktar TB2) are capable of operating, including with high-precision weapons, outside the effective engagement zones of short-range and short-range anti-aircraft weapons (that is, beyond the reach of the bulk of military air defense systems). In most cases, this makes it possible with the help of UAVs to wage a real contactless war, often resulting in the uniform shooting of enemy ground targets. And all this without loss of personnel and at relatively reasonable costs.Modern loitering ammunition and UAVs are an outright expendable material - in full counterbalance to super-expensive modern manned combat aircraft systems, even single losses of which cause great material and moral damage.

    Thus, the hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh clearly demonstrated that the modern armed forces face two large-scale tasks: the creation, on the one hand, of a wide range of unmanned weapons and UAVs, including with the maximum increase in their numbers, the introduction of swarm application algorithms and integration , with various other complexes and means of armed struggle, and on the other hand - the creation of effective means of combating these unmanned vehicles, including bearing in mind the continuing miniaturization of unmanned systems and the possibility of their increasingly massive use.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:45 pm

    Losses of equipment of the parties in the current Karabakh war

    The authors of the well-known blog " Oryx" presented an updated version of their calculations of ground military equipment that was reliably lost in the current Karabakh war from September 27 to October 21, 2020 by the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides based on published photo and video materials. Of course, the data are obviously approximate and in some cases controversial, but, undoubtedly, are of interest. Damaged T-72 tanks of the armed forces of Armenia / NKR, captured by the Azerbaijani armed forces, at the collection point for captured equipment, October 2020 (c) frame from the video of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan

    According to the authors of the blog "Oryx", it can be recorded that the Armenian side has so far lost 138 T-72 tanks of various modifications (of which 44 fell into the hands of the Azerbaijani side), 35 infantry fighting vehicles (16 BMP-1, 17 BMP-2 , two unidentified, of which a total of 14 fell into the hands of the Azerbaijani side), 20 other armored vehicles (14 MT-LB with anti-aircraft guns, two MT-LB, one BTR-70, three unidentified, of which a total of four fell into the hands of the Azerbaijani side ), two armored tractors BTS-2 (fell into the hands of the Azerbaijani side), two combat vehicles of self-propelled anti-tank systems (one 9P148 and 9P149 "Shturm-S", both fell into the hands of the Azerbaijani side), 40 portable launchers of anti-tank systems, 12 self-propelled howitzers (four 2S3 and eight 2S1), 50 towed artillery pieces (two 2A36 "Hyacinth-B",11 D-20, seven D-1, one KS-19, 28 D-30, of which a total of 15 fell into the hands of the Azerbaijani side), 56 MLRS combat vehicles (51 BM-21 Grad, one 9A52 Smerch, two WM-80, one TOS-1A, one unidentified), nine different mortars, one self-propelled anti-aircraft gun ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", 15 self-propelled combat vehicles (three 9A35 SAM "Strela-10", 11 9A33 SAM " Osa-AK / AKM ", one 2A25 Kub air defense missile system), elements of the S-300PS anti-aircraft missile systems, eight radars (four types ST-68U / UM and one P-18, 5N63S, 1S32 and 1S91 each), one launcher OTRK "Elbrus", 306 different cars.one unidentified), nine different mortars, one self-propelled anti-aircraft gun ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", 15 self-propelled combat vehicles (three 9A35 SAM "Strela-10", 11 9A33 SAM "Osa-AK / AKM", one 2A25 SAM "Cube"), elements of the S-300PS anti-aircraft missile systems, eight radars (four types ST-68U / UM and one P-18, 5N63S, 1S32 and 1S91 each), one launcher for the Elbrus OTRK, 306 different vehicles.one unidentified), nine different mortars, one self-propelled anti-aircraft gun ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", 15 self-propelled combat vehicles (three 9A35 SAM "Strela-10", 11 9A33 SAM "Osa-AK / AKM", one 2A25 SAM "Cube"), elements of the S-300PS anti-aircraft missile systems, eight radars (four types ST-68U / UM and one P-18, 5N63S, 1S32 and 1S91 each), one launcher for the Elbrus OTRK, 306 different vehicles.306 different cars.306 different cars.

    Also, according to the authors of the blog "Oryx", it can be recorded that 23 tanks were reliably lost from the Azerbaijani side (two T-90S and 21 T-72, and one T-72 was returned by the Azerbaijani side), 17 infantry fighting vehicles (two BMP -1, 11 BMP-2, one BMP-3, three unidentified), five armored personnel carriers BTR-82A, two armored vehicles (one Matador and one Sand Cat), one engineering vehicle IMR-2, 13 different vehicles.

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    Post  Isos on Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:10 am

    Armenian propaganda is less active and they show less pictures of azeri destroyed stuff. Azeri loses are higher than what we see on twitter.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:11 am

    Man if those numbers are accurate then Armenia is getting their teeth kicked in hard
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:12 am

    Isos wrote:Armenian propaganda is less active and they show less pictures of azeri destroyed stuff. Azeri loses are higher than what we see on twitter.

    Twitter isn't an accurate way to detail whats been lost.....

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