Project 20380(5): Steregushchy Corvette #2

It is only a matter of time before shipyards are going to have to start building bigger heavier ships with bigger sensors and weapon loadouts, so upgrades of older ships, while not ideal, do improve ships in the short term that can be used faster.

I would say ripping out the old computers and electronics of an old ship and mounting new systems, with a few new modular weapons added to replace obsolete systems you don't want to keep in service and keep maintaining makes sense...

Upgrading the Moskva without bothering to replace the heavy anti ship missiles and just improve the AA systems and make it a temporary command ship... most of their new smaller ships can carry the long range hypersonic and supersonic missiles they would require to clear the Black Sea of enemy surface ships easily enough...

They could replace the Klintok with Redut and put deck mounted new TOR missiles along the front deck on either side where the Vulcans were mounted in enormous numbers so they could literally have hundreds of new TOR and also large numbers of Redut missiles too...



The front gun could be upgraded to a new 130mm gun, which is a fraction of the weight of the original it is replacing.... the heavy missile tubes for the Vulkans could be replaced with naval TOR vertical launchers in enormous numbers and the raised deck area between the front 8 missiles, behind the 130mm gun could be fitted with four or five UKSK launchers. The rear area with the Rif systems could be replaced with a vastly more efficient fixed cell launch system based on Redut that can take full sized S-400 missiles as well as quads of the 9M96 missiles and 16s of the 9M100 missiles... there is plenty of space there but the rotary missile magazines were tremendously inefficient for storing the missiles... instead of 64, you should be able to get more than 128 large missile tubes there in that space...



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I would expect the new equipment and systems could be installed as a test case for new radars and sonar and systems, but that the level of automation would mean less crew might be needed freeing up space and reducing operational costs as well as a good chance to get early real life testing for some of the bigger radar arrays and the new TOR system...

Hole wrote:The Udaloy´s are from the same time, maybe 5 years younger, and will still be modernised (at least 4 or so).

A significant number of USN Nimitz class carriers are of a similar vintage. I don't see the murkanz rushing to decomm their flat-tops.

They have already laid down an upgraded Gorshkov, I rather suspect they will be laying down destroyers in the next few years too... destroyers would be more use supporting helicopter carriers than frigates, no matter how well armed those frigates might be.

Replacing all the old equipment on her would be good work and income for the companies making the bits and pieces for the new ships... if they want large orders for frigates and then destroyers then those component makers are going to have to expand production... making 4-6 UKSK launchers for a single upgraded Slava class ship would be good income for the company that makes them while waiting for destroyers and enlarged frigates to be laid down.

Not to mention production requirements for the makers of the missiles to fill those tubes.

Isos wrote:They can also invade Ukraine to take the 4th unfinished Slava. It's a good reason IMO .

The Ukraina is a veritable trash-can.  It a piece of rust-fucked junk that would cost a veritable fortune to put into service.  The only use I can see is as a target hulk for Zircons.  Put a Ukropistani and Murkan flag on it and poke it full of holes until it sinks in complete disgrace.  Come to think of it, that would make it a nice metaphor for post-Maidan Banderastan...

This is her back in 2016, and she's had another half a decade to add a few more hundred tonnes of rust since then. She's a clapped out piece of shit, just like the (fake) nation that tried to build her.

Also Russian Navy isn't going hard on upgrading Slava-class because it's been compromised: the Ukrainians allowed USA to inspect unfinished Ukraina cruiser in detail and while it was incomplete it was still treasure trove of intel

The Slava class ships they have are in operational condition and with some minor upgrades could be useful for quite a few years while they work on custom designed heavier ships to replace them.

US inspection of an incomplete Slava means nothing because nothing fitted to them of importance will be retained... they will have to upgrade the electronics and comms systems and upgrading most of the other stuff with simple straight forward new systems shouldn't cost the earth and should be quicker than waiting for a new build cruiser built from scratch.

They could also take the opportunity to test some new systems like rather large radar arrays, large sonar systems... equipment they can't fit on smaller vessels but will be using on helicopter carriers and eventually destroyers and cruisers and even CVNs.

So correction there, they will laid down the upgraded and larger Gorshkovs (dubbed Super Gorshkov by the media and has the Project number of 22350M) by the year 2024

Well best to get the design right... there is no hurry yet.

If what you meant for an upgraded Gorshkov is the second batch with a larger UKSK count starting from Admiral Amelko, then that would be correct.

That is what I was thinking...

To hear the fanboys on the internet you would think they have never heard of working to a budget and long term planning...

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