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    Post  Maximmmm Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:19 pm

    With them flying off the shelves nowadays (so to speak) it's a good moment to remember the early days of the program and how with all the delays of the first few ships there were plenty who said that it's proof Russia will never be able to recover its shipbuilding ability. It may be a long time to us, 15 years or so, but in the context of a modern state that's not too bad at all.

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    Post  hoom Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:56 am

    Hopefully they can keep executing at this new rate cheers

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    I wonder why they've plated over the (what we've previously identified as) IO areas? Looks temporary so either just supposed to hide for the launch (which would be silly since there are already a heap of pics of the interior), maybe its not actually IO or there is some incomplete rework going on?
    Aldar Longname has external IO balls up top
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    (also no rear facing passive OTH antennae)

    Covers over the lower passive OTH antennae looks very like the cover on the first few 22800s -> maybe those do actually have that antenna? (I had decided there is probably just an older Monolith antenna inside since they apparently returned to one on the later versions) Suspect

    One of the media fell through the chute thing on the stern during the flag raising lol1
    Successfully recovered.

    Such a great looking ship thumbsup
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    An interesting comparison (at least proportion wise) from Balancer:
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:25 pm

    Gremyashchiy is impressive. Gremyashchiy and Gorshkov are the only warships in the Russian navy that goes toe to toe with Type 052D and Type 055 destroyers in terms of technology.
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    Post  George1 Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:06 pm

    New corvette "Aldar Tsydenzhapov" will be left in Vladivostok
    Today, 15: 13

    The newest corvette of the project 20380 "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov" will continue to serve in the Primorskaya flotilla The Pacific Fleet, the corresponding decision was made by the command of the Russian fleet. Reported by "News" with reference to a source in the military.


    The naval command decided to leave the corvette "Aldar Tsydenzhapov" as part of the Primorskaya flotilla of the Pacific Fleet, it will be part of the 165th brigade based in Vladivostok. Initially, it was reported that the ship will go to serve in Kamchatka.

    As stated in the Navy, in this way it was decided to strengthen the country's southeastern borders and the naval presence in the Pacific Ocean. The Primorsky Flotilla is actively involved in supporting Russia's foreign policy in the Asia-Pacific region.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179240-novyj-korvet-aldar-cydenzhapov-prodolzhit-sluzhbu-v-sostave-primorskoj-flotilii.html

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    Post  walle83 Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:57 pm

    hoom wrote:

    An interesting comparison (at least proportion wise) from Balancer:
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    Proportion how? The type-45 destroyer is a 152 meters long and 8.000 ton heavy vessel. The Steregushchiy is a 104 meter, ~2000 ton corvette.
    No way those pictures are taken from the same distance.
    Its like comparing a Oliver Hazard Perry frigate with a Ticonderoga cruiser.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:17 am

    walle83 wrote:Proportion how? The type-45 destroyer is a 152 meters long and 8.000 ton heavy vessel. The Steregushchiy is a 104 meter, ~2000 ton corvette.
    No way those pictures are taken from the same distance.
    Its like comparing a Oliver Hazard Perry frigate with a Ticonderoga cruiser.

    You don't seem to understand the concept of proportionality. Its about relative dimensions, not absolute terms.

    IMHO the comparison is entirely appropriate.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:23 am

    Talking about proportion is talking about shape and layout while ignoring actual size.

    Like trying to compare a horse with a dog to look at how they run or move but ignoring the obvious size and weight differences...
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    Post  medo Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:27 pm



    Quite interesting, Gremyashy corvette with Zaslon AESA radar use 16 long range 9M96 missiles with range of 150 km or 64 9M100 missiles with range of 15 km or a mix of them, same as Gorshkov frigate. UKSK launchers enables Gremyashy to use Kalibr, Onyx and Tsirkon missiles. Gremyashy is way better armed than majority of frigates around the World and it is called corvette...
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    Post  marcellogo Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:42 pm

    Because it is a corvette, extremely well armed but still one of such class, as their own predecessor identified by the same 20380 suffix were.
    It would be the(6) version i.e. the Merkury to change denomination but IMHO quite improperly.









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    Post  Maximmmm Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:56 am

    medo wrote:

    Quite interesting, Gremyashy corvette with Zaslon AESA radar use 16 long range 9M96 missiles with range of 150 km or 64 9M100 missiles with range of 15 km or a mix of them, same as Gorshkov frigate. UKSK launchers enables Gremyashy to use Kalibr, Onyx and Tsirkon missiles. Gremyashy is way better armed than majority of frigates around the World and it is called corvette...

    Loading up smaller ships to the brim with weapons is kind of the Soviet-Russian style of the last 70 years or so.
    In the minds of the planners it helps compensate both the small amount of ships considering how large our coastline is and the size of the ships. I guarantee you that the admiralty would love 20-30 destroyers but right now they're barely starting frigate production up again. So hyperloaded smaller ships it is.

    Considering there hasn't been a modern navy clash on a large scale since I guess the falklands, nobody really knows what the best approach is.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:26 am

    Maximmmm wrote:...Considering there hasn't been a modern navy clash on a large scale since I guess the falklands, nobody really knows what the best approach is.

    Falklands already answered that question: coastal aviation and submarines

    Argentinians would have won decisively had it not been for several faulty aviation bomb fuses and UK subs were tearing shit up

    Of course for anything on other side of the planet you will need 20-30 destroyers but against decent coastal aviation and submarines it would still be a stretch

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    Post  mnztr Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:30 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Maximmmm wrote:...Considering there hasn't been a modern navy clash on a large scale since I guess the falklands, nobody really knows what the best approach is.

    Falklands already answered that question: coastal aviation and submarines

    Argentinians would have won decisively had it not been for several faulty aviation bomb fuses and UK subs were tearing shit up

    Of course for anything on other side of the planet you will need 20-30 destroyers but against decent coastal aviation and submarines it would still be a stretch


    Yeah because nothing has changed since 1982 lol, you do realize that was 38 years ago right?
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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:53 am

    Yeah because nothing has changed since 1982 lol, you do realize that was 38 years ago right?
    LIKEDISLIKE

    Everything evolved but nothing really changed.

    Subs are still better than ships in 1vs1.

    Fighter/bombers have radars and missiles to attack ships well outside of their AD zone. Intercepting a missile is still hard.

    I agree with PD. Aviation and subs are the best way to defend against ships.

    Advantage of ships is that theey can stay for weeks at a same position.
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    Post  marcellogo Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:43 am

    Maximmmm wrote:
    medo wrote:

    Quite interesting, Gremyashy corvette with Zaslon AESA radar use 16 long range 9M96 missiles with range of 150 km or 64 9M100 missiles with range of 15 km or a mix of them, same as Gorshkov frigate. UKSK launchers enables Gremyashy to use Kalibr, Onyx and Tsirkon missiles. Gremyashy is way better armed than majority of frigates around the World and it is called corvette...

    Loading up smaller ships to the brim with weapons is kind of the Soviet-Russian style of the last 70 years or so.
    In the minds of the planners it helps compensate both the small amount of ships considering how large our coastline is and the size of the ships. I guarantee you that the admiralty would love 20-30 destroyers but right now they're barely starting frigate production up again. So hyperloaded smaller ships it is.

    Considering there hasn't been a modern navy clash on a large scale since I guess the falklands, nobody really knows what the best approach is.

    It's more a geography related problem/solution: having to operate in restricted sea spaces (in the active sea control role of keeping sea lanes open, not in the one of who want to cut them down) is by far more compelling than to operate in deep blue sea.
    In this last case the distances give you the possibility of identify threats in advance and use the weaponry you got at their maximum potential and in a coordinated manner.
    Operating in places like Black Sea, Baltic but also Red Sea, the Hormuz Strait and the Gulf is much more compelling as the recent case of the Donald Cook i.e. a Burke class, a damn fine ship but designed for a Deep Blue sea environment clearly shown.
    So, it's not a case that both Russian than Italian ships, specifically conceived to operate in such an environment, tend to be extremely well armed in relation to their displacement.
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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:40 pm

    The project 20385 corvette Provorny, which is being built at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg, will go to serve in the Pacific Fleet by the end of the year. Reported by "News" with reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179784-minoborony-opredelilos-s-mestom-nesenija-sluzhby-korveta-provornyj-proekta-20385.html
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    Post  LMFS Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:18 pm

    At the "Severnaya Verf" named the timing of the transfer of the corvette "Zealous" project 20380 to the Navy

    Transfer to the Naval fleet corvette "Zealous" project 20380, built at the "Severnaya Verf", will be held until the end of 2021. This was stated by the general director of the enterprise Igor Orlov.

    Speaking at the launching ceremony of the Kapitan Geller trawler on March 30, 2021, Orlov said that the new Project 20380 corvette Zetivy, built at the enterprise, will be handed over to the Russian fleet by the end of this year. The exact dates for the transfer of the ship to the customer were not named.

    Zealous is the fifth project 20380 corvette built at Severnaya Verf. It differs from the previous corvettes of this project mainly by the installation on the new multifunctional radar complex "Zaslon" with the placement of fixed antennas in a tower-like superstructure, similar to the corvettes of the 20385 project.

    Laid down on February 20, 2015, on October 4, 2017, the formation of the hull was completed, on March 21, 2018, the loading of engines and gearboxes into the forward engine room was completed. Launched from the boathouse on December 25, 2019, launched on March 12, 2020.

    Corvettes of project 20380 are designed for operations in the near sea zone of the state, to combat surface ships and submarines of the enemy; for artillery support of naval landing during naval landing operations by launching missile and artillery attacks on ships and vessels at sea and bases; to patrol the area of ​​responsibility with a view to blocking.

    Displacement standard 1800 tons, total 2220 tons. The length is the largest 104,5 meters, width 13 meters, maximum draft 7,95 meters. Maximum speed 27 knots. Cruising range up to 4000 miles.

    The main armament is the Uran 2X4 anti-ship missile system, and the Caliber or Onyx from the eighth ship. Also in service with the Redut air defense system, the Pak-NK anti-submarine system, the A-100 190-mm gun mount, two 14,5 mm machine-gun mounts and two DP-64 anti-sabotage grenade launchers. There is a hangar for the Ka-27 helicopter.

    As the commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy Nikolai Evmenov said earlier, after the completion afloat, "Zealous" will go to serve in the Black Sea Fleet, although earlier the place of service of the corvette was called the Baltic.

    https://en.topwar.ru/181479-na-severnoj-verfi-nazvali-sroki-peredachi-vmf-korveta-retivyj-proekta-20380.html

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    Post  mnztr Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:14 pm

    The way Russia modifies their ships makes threat assessment so difficult for the enemy. What version of 20380 are they facing?
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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:34 pm

    mnztr wrote:The way Russia modifies their ships makes threat assessment so difficult for the enemy. What version of 20380 are they facing?

    Idea is to make them piss their pants with every version.
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    Post  mnztr Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:09 pm

    I know, and you can do it for a lost less $$
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    Post  mnztr Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:17 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:

    Loading up smaller ships to the brim with weapons is kind of the Soviet-Russian style of the last 70 years or so.
    In the minds of the planners it helps compensate both the small amount of ships considering how large our coastline is and the size of the ships. I guarantee you that the admiralty would love 20-30 destroyers but right now they're barely starting frigate production up again. So hyperloaded smaller ships it is.

    Considering there hasn't been a modern navy clash on a large scale since I guess the falklands, nobody really knows what the best approach is.

    Whats the point not loading a ship up. What the Falklands showed was modern frigates and destroyers cannot really absorb a significant hit. One AShM and the ship is not operational and probably doomed. Destroyers were reduced to hulks by Exocets even when the warhead failed to detonate. Imagine the modern AShMs!!!
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:59 am

    These vessels are not excessively armed... the new weapon systems are much more compact and lighter than the older systems and are more automated so they require less support crew to operate.

    Russia has five different fleets each with very different environments and climates and potential enemies... having some corvettes with Uran and some with UKSK launchers is a good thing... the Uran would be fine in the Caspian sea and perhaps even the Baltic and Black Sea, but having heavier weapons or a wider variety of weapons is also very useful too.

    Hence you might have half Uran armed corvettes in the Caspian sea, but half there also to allow a Calibre attack on Syrian targets, while some Black Sea and Baltic Sea ships might use Uran armed corvettes but also have some UKSK fitted corvettes in both places too simply because they have anti sub and anti ship as well as long range land attack capacity too.

    The Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet would possibly not bother with Uran armed corvettes... they are cheaper but less flexible.

    The point is that in Soviet times they would have half a dozen different Corvette types each different type using a different anti ship missile or torpedos and all use different sensors and engines and equipment.

    In this case they have a corvette with different armament options that are otherwise very similar... over time they might unify the sensors but probably not the weapons because it is probably useful for them to be different.

    Looking at the armament of the British ships in the Falklands conflict I am surprised the British Navy was held with such respect... the sea slug and sea cat were terrible systems to defend your ship from enemy air power... even at the time...

    Soviet Corvettes of the time had OSA missiles which were much better than the SS or SC... so not a lot has changed really.

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