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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:54 pm


    Lead ship, standard version, upgraded version, Gremashi:

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Lead ship, standard version, upgraded version, Gremashi:

    You can also add the Retivy and Stroigy out of Severnaya Verf as these are 20380s but with the Gremy-style tower. Retivy is launched but few good pics exist yet. In comparison, Aldar Longname looks to be a simpler (cheaper?) advanced version developed solely for Amur/Far East?
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:55 pm


    The return of the Corvette: why the Navy decided to resume delayed projects

    https://iz.ru/1081122/dmitrii-boltenkov-roman-kretcul/vozvrashchenie-korveta-pochemu-vmf-reshil-vozobnovit-otlozhennye-proekty?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr


    ...Currently, corvettes of the 20380 family have been brought up to date, have become full-fledged combat systems and have proven themselves well in various campaigns. So, the existing pair of Pacific fleet corvettes this year went to the South Pacific and Arctic waters of the Bering and Chukchi seas. The sailors ' reviews of these ships are only positive. Therefore, it is not surprising that the Navy decided to continue building this series, signing a contract with USC for 10 corvettes (eight of project 20380 and two of project 20385) on the sidelines of the Army 2020 forum...

    We rarely hear what sailors think about ships they use and it seems that their opinion was instrumental in deciding to order more Steregushchiy-class ships



    ...But there is no news about the continuation of the construction of a series of corvettes 20386, which were supposed to become the basis of the Russian Navy for operations in the near sea zone, so far. Apparently, the Navy is waiting for the completion of the construction of the only Corvette of this project "mercury", conducting tests and further deciding its fate...

    Obvious answers and logical move

    Won't stop idiots from ranting about how Mercury-class is cancelled though

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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:26 pm

    The Severnaya Shipyard is set to deliver the Project 20385 lead corvette Gremyashchiy to the Russian Navy on December 25, Shipyard CEO Igor Orlov said on Thursday.

    https://tass.com/defense/1223059

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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:46 am

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:49 pm

    Does anyone know what makes the Gremyashchiys "too expensive" for large scale manufacture?

    Wouldn't the Redut system be the most expensive thing on the ship?
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:48 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Does anyone know what makes the Gremyashchiys "too expensive" for large scale manufacture?

    Wouldn't the Redut system be the most expensive thing on the ship?

    Basically the 20386 Mercury doesn't cost all that much more than the Gremyashchyj, but is more flexible so if it pans out they'll just order those

    The Gorshkov doesn't cost all that much more either, and if they just need a general-purpose sea zone vessel with firepower they can acquire more of those instead of Gremyashyj's, with more endurance to boot

    And of course the Steregushyj while less capable, is also a lot cheaper and works fine as a littoral patrol vessel

    So the Gremyashyj doesn't really have a niche. It's being ordered while Gorshkov construction and working out the kinks is still getting into gear, and the Mercury is still being constructed and then trialed.
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    Post  Arrow Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:33 am

    And of course the Steregushyj while less capable, is also a lot cheaper and works fine as a littoral patrol vessel wrote:

    Steregushyj not even a USKS launcher, only Uranus crap.

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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:42 am

    Arrow wrote:

    Steregushyj not even a USKS launcher, only Uranus crap.


    It also lack landing capability and lasers to fight lkttle green men.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:47 am

    The lack of USKS significantly limits the potential of new ships.
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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:53 am

    Arrow wrote:The lack of USKS significantly limits the potential of new ships.

    They have other ships for UKSK. Steregoushchy is meant for multi role operation near the shores. It has anti air, anti ship and anti sub weapons with powerfull jammers.

    They are replacing soviet small boats, not kirovs. Being cheap means lot of ships build so that the navy has lot of new plateforms and replace the obsolate doviet boats.

    They are also developping angled kalibr launchers if they really need them.

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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:20 pm

    Uran-M can attack land tagets, too.
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    Post  Arrow Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:41 pm

    The Ch 35 is a slow, short-range missile, just like the Harpoon, it is easy to intercept.
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:30 pm

    Isos wrote:

    They have other ships for UKSK. Steregoushchy is meant for multi role operation near the shores. It has anti air, anti ship and anti sub weapons with powerfull jammers.

    They are replacing soviet small boats, not kirovs. Being cheap means lot of ships build so that the navy has lot of new plateforms and replace the obsolate doviet boats.

    They are also developping angled kalibr launchers if they really need them.

    Not every target out there in the ocean is an Aegis destroyer or an aircraft carrier. Nor would most targets even be aware they are under attack in the first place. An Aegis destroyer would readily succumb to a salvo of Kh-35 if it was caught with its radars cold (or just the bridge crew napping), which happens a lot more than one could expect.
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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:10 pm

    Arrow wrote:The Ch 35 is a slow, short-range missile, just like the Harpoon, it is easy to intercept.

    Just like every cruise missile. IF you are in possession of a decent air defence system. Which not every country or terror organisation has.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:49 am

    Steregushyj not even a USKS launcher, only Uranus crap.

    The Kh-35 is actually a rather good missile in its class. In comparison to its rivals... Exocet and Harpoon, it is longer ranged and more accurate, with a very capable low power MMW radar seeker that is tough to jam...

    The lack of USKS significantly limits the potential of new ships.

    They use Corvettes for a wide range of missions and roles... not all of them are required to launch 2,500km range land strikes against terrorists...

    The Ch 35 is a slow, short-range missile, just like the Harpoon, it is easy to intercept.

    Like those drones and missiles that took out those oil facilities in Saudi Arabia were easy to intercept?

    They fly at about 3m altitude above the wave tops... they are not easy to intercept by any means for 90% of the worlds navies.

    And even those 10% that could deal with such missiles, they have a range of ships from carriers and cruisers down to supply and support ships... not every ship in the US navy needs a Zircon to sink it...

    Having Urans makes it as well armed as any HATO frigate...

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:59 am

    Arrow wrote:The Ch 35 is a slow, short-range missile, just like the Harpoon, it is easy to intercept.
    A perfectly adequate weapon for all targets < 3500 ton displacement; missile boats, landing vessels, logistics vessels, other corvettes and light frigates near the shore.
    Not to mention it's well equipped against subs which is the oth r main thing.

    The Steregushiys won't be taking on carrier groups nor destroyers

    And the harpoon has its niche too after all
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:46 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    And the harpoon has its niche too after all

    Which is?

    The way I see it if you can mount a better missile then not doing it is wasteful.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:38 am

    They don't need anything better than Harpoon... the Russian Navy is tiny... and they have more than enough Harpoons and carriers and carrier aircraft and bases around China to exert the pressure they want to exert.

    The ships in a US carrier group are there to protect the carrier, the main strike power comes from the carrier aircraft.

    Equally they have enough missile cruisers to load one up specially to attack a specific target and send it in a group of other ships that can have the air defence missiles to protect it.

    They also have bases around the planet where they can fly in missiles to load on ships to deploy anywhere rather quickly.

    When War is business then having to buy batches of anti ship missiles in the thousands is a good thing for them.

    When was the last time they actually sank a ship?

    Most of their operations are sabre rattling and showing the flag.
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    Post  George1 Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:14 am

    The project 20380 corvette "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov" (serial number 2103), as part of the program of factory sea trials in the Peter the Great Gulf, for the first time took on board the Ka-27PL deck-based anti-submarine helicopter of the Pacific Fleet aviation.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:09 am

    GarryB wrote:They don't need anything better than Harpoon... the Russian Navy is tiny... .

    Currently, many ships are being built. Will the Russian navy be large in 2030? Lots of new frigates, corvettes, maybe project 22350M, lots of submarines.In addition, modern anti-ship and maneuvering missiles will significantly increase the capabilities of this VMF. Now even ships with a displacement of 800 tons have a lot of power. Still the tactic of diffuse mortality.
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    Post  Hole Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:54 pm

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:03 am

    Currently, many ships are being built. Will the Russian navy be large in 2030? Lots of new frigates, corvettes, maybe project 22350M, lots of submarines.

    The introduction of a lot of new ships is good but will also lead to the retirement of a lot of old ships that will be replaced, so it is not like their fleets are going to explode in numbers of ships.

    In terms of quality and performance there is going to be an enormous increase of course but that will be less visible and obvious...

    In addition, modern anti-ship and maneuvering missiles will significantly increase the capabilities of this VMF. Now even ships with a displacement of 800 tons have a lot of power. Still the tactic of diffuse mortality.

    Perfectly true again, but until Russia used precision guided land attack cruise missiles in Syria they had actually had them in service for quite some time, but they could be effectively ignored by the west because as any professional sailor knows having a precision guided land attack cruise missile is one thing... anyone could buy such a thing off the shelf or piece it together themselves... that is no indication you have the C4IR to effectively use it.

    They knew they had sophisticated missiles available for their ships, but could pretend they are window dressing like tail slide manouvers for fighter planes is dismissed at air shows as parlour tricks. The fact that their fighters can fly in parts of the envelope that made western fighters stall and become sitting ducks was not important or acknowledged.

    Having accurate long range cruise missiles was nothing if you didn't have the C4IR to find targets and get that target information to your launch platforms in time to launch a missile to hit the target while still relevant... ie hitting a conference centre 30 minutes after all the ISIS leaders have left is a waste of good intel.

    Russian ships could be sailing around with 1,000 Poseidons for all the western public knows... as far as most of my friends know they think Russian long range cruise missiles hit hospitals and churches and schools and weddings... and every single US missile fired destroyed chemical weapons labs and the air fields the attacks were launched from... 100%...

    So really in terms of propaganda and internet discussions what the Russians do is not important and everything is fine... Harpoon and Tomahawk are great and indeed money well spent...
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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:15 pm

    Aldar Tsydenzhapov conducted its first launch of an Uran cruise missile

    https://tass.com/defense/1227743

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