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    Post  LMFS Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:01 pm

    There are children there that are just having fun, there are professional agitators, nazis, commies, liberals and all sorts of people, from deeply deluded to fully professional. You don't want a police crushing the skull of children, much less when they are in fact rooting for Putin like this one:

    https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/1352995629060952066

    But you need police detecting scum like this:

    https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1352976384365355009
    https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1352925968445407237

    There is nothing going on that is critical for Russia, to a certain extent it is legit that people go to the streets and have some scape valves. Intelligence needs to be very aware of what is going on, what people are dangerous and which (the vast majority) are just expressing some form of unstructured protest and need to be allowed to express their discontent, not turn them in real enemies with a well funded grudge against the government. That is the reason for the West to bring children to the streets, they hope that some disgrace happens for which they can further escalate their protests. Putin will do as he does always: wait, see and take a decision. China waited for many months in the face of extremely violent riots without killing one single of those full blown criminals. Russia will not act differently and that is perfectly correct IMHO.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:43 pm

    Corruption in the Rossguardia (NG, former MVD troops), i.e. Putin's Praetorians:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2KfjJ-7914

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFjBnRNBv-c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_gwJTeL6RM

    https://youtu.be/bxziiy0H8HY?t=936

    There is NO WAY for a video uploaded 5 days ago to have 70+ million views unless its been rigged just like the recent election in US
    the internet is cheap in Russia, & in winter most folks have a lot of free time, esp. at the end of any given week.

    https://24tv.ua/ru/tajnyj-dvorec-putina-glavnoe-o-rassledovanii-navalnogo-novosti_n1517297

    Over 2K protesters detained so far: https://www.rbc.ru/politics/23/01/2021/600c51539a79476a07c8aff9

    It's a cycle of escalation: more detainees & violence leads to more violence & detainees, just like in Belarus.


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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:19 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Corruption in the Rossguardia (NG, former MVD troops), i.e. Putin's Praetorians:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2KfjJ-7914

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFjBnRNBv-c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_gwJTeL6RM

    https://youtu.be/bxziiy0H8HY?t=936

    There is NO WAY for a video uploaded 5 days ago to have 70+ million views unless its been rigged just like the recent election in US
    the internet is cheap in Russia, & in winter many have a lot of free time, esp. at the end of any given week.

    You are joking right ? There is already plenty of evidence of Google and YouTube punting the video. It's all about raising Navalnys profile to kill Nord Stream 2. And its working.

    Russia is already talking about cancelling it. But this is good. They don't need the pipeline yet. All the US is doing is damaging its relations with Germany
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:26 pm

    70 million "Russians" saw Navalny's BS. Yeah, more like 70 million westerners clicked on the video since YouTube pimped
    it like there was no tomorrow. No, it does not matter if it was in Russian. The counter does not identify the views
    and filter them by country and language.

    And as already pointed out, such a number is absurd. Even if Navalny had millions of supporters not every last one of them
    would have ran to view his video.

    Clearly we have a troll spamming this board with inane propaganda.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:27 pm

    Also, I thought that Russians didn't have access to the internet and lived behind the Great Firewall of Russia.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:50 pm

    Backman wrote:...Russia is already talking about cancelling it. But this is good. They don't need the pipeline yet. All the US is doing is damaging its relations with Germany

    Intelligent approach

    This is Germany's problem and Germany should deal with it

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    Post  PhSt Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:51 pm

    It's a cycle of escalation: more detainees & violence leads to more violence & detainees, just like in Belarus.

    This is more BS Wishful thinking. Do you see any more "Protests" happening in Hong Kong? Laughing

    The government just needs to be more firm and brutal in dealing with these insurrectionists. Sooner or later these vermins will get tired and will realize the stupidity of their actions.
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    Post  PhSt Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:57 pm

    Russia is already talking about cancelling it. But this is good. They don't need the pipeline yet. All the US is doing is damaging its relations with Germany

    But how about the time and resources that has been invested and spent on this project?? Are the F**KING Americunts going to reimburse Russia?? Russia needs to hit back and make Americunts lose Trillions angry
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:01 pm

    kvs wrote:70 million "Russians" saw Navalny's BS.   Yeah, more like 70 million westerners clicked on the video since YouTube pimped
    it like there was no tomorrow.  No, it does not matter if it was in Russian. The counter does not identify the views
    and filter them by country and language.-flimsy argument. Most Westerners who don't understand Russian won't have the desire, much less patience to watch it -Ms didn't watch his shorter videos before; there r only a few M of Russian speakers currently outside of the RF-mostly in USA, Canada, Israel, & W. Europe. His latest detention was the best advertisement for the 2hr clip.

    And as already pointed out, such a number is absurd.  Even if Navalny had millions of supporters not every last one of them would have ran to view his video. -no need to run, they could use their phone or PC at home & invite friends to do the same or come to their place.
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    Post  PhSt Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:08 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    kvs wrote:70 million "Russians" saw Navalny's BS.   Yeah, more like 70 million westerners clicked on the video since YouTube pimped
    it like there was no tomorrow.  No, it does not matter if it was in Russian. The counter does not identify the views
    and filter them by country and language.-flimsy argument. Most Westerners who don't understand Russian won't have the desire, much less patience to watch it -Ms didn't watch his shorter videos before; there r only a few M of Russian speakers currently outside of the RF-mostly in USA, Canada, Israel, & W. Europe. His latest detention was the best advertisement for the 2hr clip.

    And as already pointed out, such a number is absurd.  Even if Navalny had millions of supporters not every last one of them would have ran to view his video. -no need to run, they could use their phone or PC at home & invite friends to do the same or come to their place.

    Are you saying that Amerislime Ministry of Propaganda has no capability to blow the view numbers out of proportion for Propaganda points?? Laughing

    Where do you think the Chinese learned how to do this?

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:05 pm

    What is propaganda value from inflating the # of views? Even if only 10% of the alleged clicks indicate that the clip was viewed in its entirety, it's = to 7M, or more than 1/2 of the population of Moscow, & there r 11 other cities with over 1M population in the RF.
    In contrast, this clip about the Tatarstan elites' corruption had 5,755,235 views. So, even w/o the latest clip, his prev. videos + his poisoning & detention r inciting enough for the mass protests.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krHon1ykx0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MHqpyN6iAk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWdAfYKJSKA


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:06 pm

    They said Navalny has millions protesting for him in St. Petersburg... clown
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    5.5 million people in St. Petersburg, this looks like 2,500 people. What's that like .00045% of the population?

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:15 pm


    See, this is what I'm talking about

    And even if that Moscow number of 40.000 was true it's still less than nothing for city of that size

    We had some Vann7-style morons protesting in Belgrade last year and all it took was footage from above to expose them (same for several different protests over last couple of years)

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    Post  PhSt Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:20 pm

    What is propaganda value from inflating the # of views?

    Why do you even have to ask? If the video has been left alone and wasn't tampered by the United Snakes Ministry of Propaganda, then you wouldn't be charging here like a bull and proclaiming that Navalny's Propaganda piece has been watched by 1/2 of Russia's population. Can you claim that Navalny's Propaganda video was a success if it only had 10 views??

    So, even w/o the latest clip, his prev. videos + his poisoning & detention r inciting enough for the mass protests.

    Of course people will still go out and take part in Washington's plot to foment Insurrection. Navalny's video is just an ingredient that forms a part of this plot.


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    Post  elconquistador Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:28 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1353091695819239426

    This is next level cringe... In Miami?
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    Post  PhSt Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:41 pm

    The Russian government needs to make it clear that the insurrection that happened today has been orchestrated by NATzO and that a firm and crushing response is on the way. Releasing bland statements is next to worthless. NATzO, specifically Amerikkunt needs to pay dearly for this latest provocation. More laws needs to be passed to deal with this kind of insurrection. Now the NATzO propagandists are focusing on brainwashing minors and are hoping for some kind of Dramatizing impact that they could contribute to these lawless activities. Law enforcers needs to strike Hard and without Mercy on these NATzO Scums.


    US attempts of incitement to have negative impact on ties with Russia - foreign ministry

    MOSCOW, January 23. /TASS/. US diplomats’ attempts to encourage radicals are doomed to failure and will have negative implications for the Russian-US relations, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Saturday, commenting on the posts published by the US embassy in Moscow on social media.

    "The US should address its own problems, including the handling of the profound split in American society caused by social injustice, inequality and persecution of dissent," the foreign ministry said. "The attempts of the US diplomacy, which ignores all decency, to actually incite the radicals are doomed to failure and will have negative consequences for bilateral relations."

    It was pointed out that the senior diplomats of the US embassy would be summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry.

    The ministry stated that the US diplomatic mission in Moscow had again shown disregard for diplomatic norms and rules.

    "In fact, it means encouraging violent actions hypocritically announced as a peaceful protest, in which the organizers cynically involve even minors," the Foreign Ministry added.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:46 pm

    #Navalny supporters in Chelyabinsk. Where are the millions of viewers of his videos on YouTube? Definitely not a good start of the CIA-backed protests in #Russia that would have to lead to regime change.
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    https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1352915472262574080

    Western social media and their sock-puppet bot-machine farms has people willing to buy bridges in Brooklyn lol! lol1

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:02 pm

    Up to 3K protesters in cold weather out of Estimate[d] (2018) 1,202,371 population. Wait till the air warms up!
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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:15 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Russia is already talking about cancelling it. But this is good. They don't need the pipeline yet. All the US is doing is damaging its relations with Germany

    But how about the time and resources that has been invested and spent on this project?? Are the F**KING Americunts going to reimburse Russia?? Russia needs to hit back and make Americunts lose Trillions angry

    I agree with your sentiment. But its far from just Russia invested.

    Royal Dutch Shell covers 50% of the project costs of €9.5 billion. 30% of the financing was raised through equity provided by shareholders in proportion to their stakes in the project, while 70% came from external financing by banks. 6 European banks have money invested. French, Italian, German ect.

    The pipe can be capped and laid down and finished later. Let bad US and German relations fester for awhile. It will eventually get done anyway.

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1212214.shtml




    WORLD / EUROPE
    Rejection of Nord Stream 2 Would Be 'Political Suicide' for Berlin, German MP Says

    "Refusing Nord Stream 2 is nothing but [political] suicide", Herdt said, pointing to the "enormous" lack of energy in Germany at the moment. He argued that even though Nord Stream 2 "will not resolve Germany's energy needs", the situation may further deteriorate if the country declines to launch the project.

    "This is complete absurdity and nonsense", the lawmaker pointed out, referring to plans to abandon the project.

    The remarks followed Herdt expressing confidence that the pipeline "would be completed regardless of how the outgoing and incoming US administration will act on the matter".


    "Whatever the situation is in America, one thing unites them all - a huge unwillingness to see constructive and business-like development of relations between Russia and Germany", Herdt underscored




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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:50 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Up to 3K protesters in cold weather out of Estimate[d] (2018) 1,202,371 population. Wait till the air warms up!

    You clearly have zero understanding of Russia and Russians. Cold weather suppressing protests is something that only happens
    in the warm USA and Europe. In Washington DC you have gridlock when there is 5 cm of snow. If Russians were afraid of
    -15 C, they would not be able to live in most of their homeland.

    In particular, they have the right clothing and the daily experience. They would not be freezing in any demonstration like Americans.

    Sod off, idiot.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:09 am

    More videos.
    A video investigation by Russia's leading opposition figure that claims President Vladimir Putin spent illicit funds on an extravagant Black Sea palace has reached more than 20 million people within a day of publication. 4 days passed since, so to be conservative, 4x20M=80M viewers; 75,227,136 views by now isn't an impossible figure by any stretch. If they wanted to falsify it, why didn't they put 95 or 100M? His return & arrest is what drove people to the streets.
    You clearly have zero understanding of Russia and Russians.- that's in ur judgement.
    If Russians were afraid of -15 C, they would not be able to live in most of their homeland.- true, but normal routine isn't the same as standing in protests for hours. In Kiev, they were warming up by drinking hot tea, by fires & in tents which the Russians don't use yet.
    Sod off, idiot.- the same to u, if u can't refrain from derogatory comments.


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    Post  LMFS Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:54 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Up to 3K protesters in cold weather out of Estimate[d] (2018) 1,202,371 population. Wait till the air warms up!

    Here we have the cheerleader wetting her panties at the prospect of the destruction of Russian state. Get the fuck out you creep, do you think to come here to root for something as sinister as what the West is trying is "freedom of expression"?

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    Post  Backman Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:45 am

    Lol even The Drive did a whole piece on the alleged Putin estate and called it "The Ultimate Bond Villain's Lair" Liar was what Hitlers places were called. Well done assholes.

    This whole freaking episode reminds me of the 2001 piece about Binladens compound. Just look at how cartoonish it is. But this was the news spread through the Anglo empire in 2001. Everyone took it seriously. I sure did. Looking back, its just a reminder that we live in an empire. News narratives are pre manufactured for us. That's just the way it is.

    Read the little bubbles. They are hilarious. He has hydroelectric power. He rides through the complex on horseback.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:49 am

    BTW, it is +1 Celsius in Sank Ptersburg right now and was warmer during the protests. So the BS about low turn out being due to
    cold weather is clearly debunked.

    https://www.gismeteo.com/weather-sankt-peterburg-4079/

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    Post  Backman Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:49 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:More videos.
    Aost of their homeland.- true, but normal routine isn't the same as standing in protests for hours. [url=https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/12/ukrainian-protesters-endure-freezing-temperature-inside-kievs-euromaidan-tent-city.html]In Kiev, they were warming up by drinking hot tea, by fires & in tents which the Russians don't use yet.
    Sod off, idiot.- the same to u, if u can't refrain from derogatory comments.
    [/quote]

    You are spiking the propaganda ball on a realpolitik forum. You cant see how that doesn't really work ?

    re·al·po·li·tik
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    noun: realpolitik

    a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations

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