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    Post  nomadski on Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:47 am



    I have lived on this planet for 60 years. And almost always, it is the most devious and dastardly scenarios, that come to be true.

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    Post  crod on Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:47 pm

    Well we’ll know soon enough. Imo, the net would be hopping with info had it been an attack. As already pointed out in this thread, a lot people just love a good conspiracy theory.
    If we were in a casino where an attack was red, I’d put my houses black.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:51 pm

    It's not the first time to happen. It happened in France, in Texas and now Lebanon.

    China also suffered lot of chemical explosion in the past years.

    Russia also had lot of them.

    Those things are explosives. No need to be a ginius to know that the more you stock the bigger the explosion will be.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:31 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    I think many problems with this theory :

    ( 1 )  The colour of gas not consistent with Ammonium explosive. Red for NO2.

    ( 2 )  The conventional explosive of this or higher yield, will not produce 3.3 Richter scale.
            Only Nuke.

    ( 3 )  Even compacted And wet old Ammonium , subjected to intense conventional fire, will dissociate slowly. Gases escaping from hard surface. Breaking and bubbling. As centre of mass, can not reach very high temperatures. And all suddenly and collectively. Only an intense source, instantaneously can do this. Dissociate large mass into gases. But no explosion by Ammonium. Only Nuke can cause instantaneous dissociation of large Mass into NO2.  Looks like Nuke disguised as industrial accident. Clever trick.

    Whatever it is it seems to be in everyone's interests to blame the fertiliser. Hezbollah due to their munitions dump in the middle of town, Israel because they don't want retribution and everyone else because it would be to politically disruptive.

    It is unlikely we will ever know. Those who do know will use the information to suit their purposes.
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    Post  nomadski on Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:56 pm

    @ ISOS

    True that similar incidents happen. But they are not identical. Many involve presence of other chemicals in factories or ships. With different outcomes. Prolonged fires that engulf the material. Different colour of smoke. Very significant.

    @ Johninmk

    Agree that truth is very hard to find. Looking at pictures on Internet. But we can and should use best judgement, given evidence here. Your brilliant post of close up of first fire by Hijazi, does indicate that first fire, was in separate building to the North of building that caused main blast, in front of silo.

    I can tell that wind was also blowing fire away to North and East. Away from second building. Also distance from first to second building at least 10 meters. Therefore not enough heat could be generated to decompose Ammonium. Or cause fire. Let alone an explosion. But large instant decomposition happened, of entire mass . By external very high heat source. There is not many possibility left. So even if powers that be, will not admit. We can admit.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:37 pm

    Isos wrote:It's not the first time to happen. It happened in France, in Texas and now Lebanon.

    China also suffered lot of chemical explosion in the past years.

    Russia also had lot of them.

    Those things are explosives. No need to be a ginius to know that the more you stock the bigger the explosion will be.

    They happen every several years:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate_disaster

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    Post  Aristide on Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:54 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:It's not the first time to happen. It happened in France, in Texas and now Lebanon.

    China also suffered lot of chemical explosion in the past years.

    Russia also had lot of them.

    Those things are explosives. No need to be a ginius to know that the more you stock the bigger the explosion will be.

    They happen every several years:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate_disaster


    Ammonium Nitrate is responsible for the worlds largest non nuclear explosions and this is just the latest

    To see this was horrendous. This was 1/3rd of the Hiroshima bomb. The city of Beirut is destroyed and the people are angry at their government.

    President Macron is in Beirut now and people shout at him that France should topple the lebanese regime. Its a bizarre thing to see



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    Post  par far on Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:19 pm

    These types of accidents do happen but in this situation, I don't think this is a accident.

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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:49 pm

    nomadski wrote:@ SeigSoloyov

    ".... These are people who can freeze and look frame by frame, there was no bomb used. if there was one would have been found in a frame in the dozens and dozens of videos out there...."

    The post by VT, points to possible projectile. As does early reports of drone or jet. A small Nuke device, could have been planted by hand. Weeks or months in advance.

    "... So no a "tactical mini-nuke" wasn't used. If there was people would have detected trace radiation by now.... "

    Maybe. Many clean an efficient and small Nukes, produce very little radiation. And there is not yet been a study of debris. However all foods in port area, declared contaminated. Why?

    @ Big Gazza

    "..... If a few kilotons equivalent had been detonated then a big chunk of Beirut waterside would have been levelled, and those silos right adajacent the blast site would be nothing but foundations......"

    You have answered your own question. Big chunk of Beirut WAS levelled. The silo is a strong structure, and in Hiroshima, the strong Church, with concrete foundations survived, while everything else was destroyed.

    @ KVS

    ".... It really is NH4NO3 that detonated........"


    I think many problems with this theory :

    ( 1 )  The colour of gas not consistent with Ammonium explosive. Red for NO2.

    ( 2 )  The conventional explosive of this or higher yield, will not produce 3.3 Richter scale.
            Only Nuke.

    ( 3 )  Even compacted And wet old Ammonium , subjected to intense conventional fire, will dissociate slowly. Gases escaping from hard surface. Breaking and bubbling. As centre of mass, can not reach very high temperatures. And all suddenly and collectively. Only an intense source, instantaneously can do this. Dissociate large mass into gases. But no explosion by Ammonium. Only Nuke can cause instantaneous dissociation of large Mass into NO2.  Looks like Nuke disguised as industrial accident. Clever trick.

    NO2 is red-brown not red.  That is exactly the colour we see.   Also high explosives used in military weapons do not produce detonation
    products with this colour or much of any colour since they rely on higher efficiency reactions that result in more stable products.  So this
    was trivially an HN4NO3 explosion.   All speculation that it was not is pure tinfoil hat inanity.   People without the physics and chemistry
    background really aren't qualified to speculate.   So whatever they think up is utterly worthless.

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    Everyone in Lebanon knows it was a warehouse storing ammonium nitrate. So all this yammering about it not being such is some sort of
    obnoxious nonsense. Throwing a nuke into Beirut would be a way not to achieve the objectives of such a nuke or conventional military
    warhead explosive. So I suspect that this tin foil hat drivel is instigated by the same clowns who want regime change in Lebanon.
    It really is enough of a conspiracy just to initiate the warehouse detonation.



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    Post  par far on Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:08 am

    Aristide wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:It's not the first time to happen. It happened in France, in Texas and now Lebanon.

    China also suffered lot of chemical explosion in the past years.

    Russia also had lot of them.

    Those things are explosives. No need to be a ginius to know that the more you stock the bigger the explosion will be.

    They happen every several years:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate_disaster


    Ammonium Nitrate is responsible for the worlds largest non nuclear explosions and this is just the latest

    To see this was horrendous. This was 1/3rd of the Hiroshima bomb. The city of Beirut is destroyed and the people are angry at their government.

    President Macron is in Beirut now and people shout at him that France should topple the lebanese regime. Its a bizarre thing to see





    It is not bizarre, Lebanon has been a target for NATO and Israel and the puppet Macron is just doing what he is told. The empire is setting up things for a regime change in Lebanon. It is going to get very bloody in Lebanon, let's just say that France's Lebanese population is going to grow a lot.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/08/06/631231/Lebanon-France-Macron-blast-Beirut-interference


    The best thing Lebanon should do right now is unite and not fall for the traps set by the west. Lebanon should turn to Russia, Iran and China for help because the west is trying to trap them.


    There were the attacks in Iran, this incident in Lebanon, the fire in UAE and the fire in Saudi Arabia, these events are happening in a suspicious manner and at the same time, it is like someone is trying cause disruption in Muslim countries and try to hurt their food supplies.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:54 am

    There was no hidden plot, Just human stupidity at its finest.
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    Post  Aristide on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:06 am

    par far wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:It's not the first time to happen. It happened in France, in Texas and now Lebanon.

    China also suffered lot of chemical explosion in the past years.

    Russia also had lot of them.

    Those things are explosives. No need to be a ginius to know that the more you stock the bigger the explosion will be.

    They happen every several years:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate_disaster


    Ammonium Nitrate is responsible for the worlds largest non nuclear explosions and this is just the latest

    To see this was horrendous. This was 1/3rd of the Hiroshima bomb. The city of Beirut is destroyed and the people are angry at their government.

    President Macron is in Beirut now and people shout at him that France should topple the lebanese regime. Its a bizarre thing to see





    It is not bizarre, Lebanon has been a target for NATO and Israel and the puppet Macron is just doing what he is told. The empire is setting up things for a regime change in Lebanon. It is going to get very bloody in Lebanon, let's just say that France's Lebanese population is going to grow a lot.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/08/06/631231/Lebanon-France-Macron-blast-Beirut-interference


    The best thing Lebanon should do right now is unite and not fall for the traps set by the west. Lebanon should turn to Russia, Iran and China for help because the west is trying to trap them.


    There were the attacks in Iran, this incident in Lebanon, the fire in UAE and the fire in Saudi Arabia, these events are happening in a suspicious manner and at the same time, it is like someone is trying cause disruption in Muslim countries and try to hurt their food supplies.

    Iran? Iran is the reason that lebanon collapsed. The mullah shithole regime and its hezbollah nazis. 2 years ago Hassan Nasrallah joked in TV, that they should fire rockets to Haifa harbor, where many ammonium nitrate stocks were placed. He joked how many israeli could be killed.

    Guess he doesnt laugh now, when one of his depots went up.

    https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/20964/
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:52 am

    More proof by assertion from the troll from France.

    Iran was in no way responsible for any of Lebanon's problems. Israel was front and center in meddling in Lebanon, including setting
    up the occupation of the southern part of the country. Hezbollah is specifically the result of this occupation and succeeded in
    driving Israeli occupants out. So to this day the Israelis are foaming at the mouth about "terrorists". One man's freedom fighter
    is another man's terrorist.

    You are also full of sh*t about the warehouse. It has no connection to Hezbollah and Iran. They do not need primitive explosives
    like US militias to stage government building bombings. They have access to actual modern weapons. If they only used NH4NO3
    they would not have been kicking Israeli ass all over the countryside in 2006.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/he-abandoned-deadly-cargo-meet-mysterious-businessman-center-beirut-blast-saga

    This explosion was planned for years. The set up was the scam to park the NH4NO3 load in Beirut since supposedly it could not
    be delivered to Mozambique. This is a classic spy operation that sets up the crime and covers the tracks at the same time.
    Here we also have a corrupt Russian who is a resident of Cyprus acting like the fall guy. So there is value added propaganda
    from "a Russian is at fault". The Mossad has a lot of Russian assets and is clearly using them.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:08 am

    There is no need for a conspiracy theory here... stupidity explains it just fine, but having said that... western governments and Israel are dirty enough to want to do this sort of thing so why not blame them for it... you can bet your ass they will find some way of blaming Russia for it in some way at some time too.

    If they want conspiracy theories to stop how about adopting a policy they claim to follow... truth and justice used to be the American way but America has lost its way telling lies and just trying to get revenge instead of what they were trying to build, they have ended up being much worse than those they claim to be enemies and evil doers.
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    Post  Aristide on Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:56 pm

    kvs wrote:More proof by assertion from the troll from France.

    Iran was in no way responsible for any of Lebanon's problems.   Israel was front and center in meddling in Lebanon, including setting
    up the occupation of the southern part of the country.    Hezbollah is specifically the result of this occupation and succeeded in
    driving Israeli occupants out.   So to this day the Israelis are foaming at the mouth about "terrorists".   One man's freedom fighter
    is another man's terrorist.

    You are also full of sh*t about the warehouse.   It has no connection to Hezbollah and Iran.   They do not need primitive explosives
    like US militias to stage government building bombings.   They have access to actual modern weapons.   If they only used NH4NO3
    they would not have been kicking Israeli ass all over the countryside in 2006.  

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/he-abandoned-deadly-cargo-meet-mysterious-businessman-center-beirut-blast-saga

    This explosion was planned for years.   The set up was the scam to park the NH4NO3 load in Beirut since supposedly it could not
    be delivered to Mozambique.   This is a classic spy operation that sets up the crime and covers the tracks at the same time.
    Here we also have a corrupt Russian who is a resident of Cyprus acting like the fall guy.   So there is value added propaganda
    from "a Russian is at fault".   The Mossad has a lot of Russian assets and is clearly using them.

    Amusing, too bad that in 2018 Nasrallah in a speech said Ammonium Nitrate is his nuclear bomb.

    And kicking israeli ass in 2006? You may check the casualitiesnin that war
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    Post  Aristide on Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:35 pm

    kvs wrote:More proof by assertion from the troll from France.

    Iran was in no way responsible for any of Lebanon's problems.   Israel was front and center in meddling in Lebanon, including setting
    up the occupation of the southern part of the country.    Hezbollah is specifically the result of this occupation and succeeded in
    driving Israeli occupants out.   So to this day the Israelis are foaming at the mouth about "terrorists".   One man's freedom fighter
    is another man's terrorist.

    You are also full of sh*t about the warehouse.   It has no connection to Hezbollah and Iran.   They do not need primitive explosives
    like US militias to stage government building bombings.   They have access to actual modern weapons.   If they only used NH4NO3
    they would not have been kicking Israeli ass all over the countryside in 2006.  

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/he-abandoned-deadly-cargo-meet-mysterious-businessman-center-beirut-blast-saga

    This explosion was planned for years.   The set up was the scam to park the NH4NO3 load in Beirut since supposedly it could not
    be delivered to Mozambique.   This is a classic spy operation that sets up the crime and covers the tracks at the same time.
    Here we also have a corrupt Russian who is a resident of Cyprus acting like the fall guy.   So there is value added propaganda
    from "a Russian is at fault".   The Mossad has a lot of Russian assets and is clearly using them.

    Here you can see your "hero" Nasrallah in 2016 praising, that ammonium nitrate is his "atombomb" and he want use it to destroy the city of Haifa.



    Btw in Beirut the people are boiling and want the heads of Hezbollah, which is the only positive of this misery
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:05 pm

    I do not see why, an agent interested in Lebanon instability and causing chaos, would loose the objective, by initiating an Ammonium reaction, by hiding the real explosive that could not  be large conventional ( Ammonium decomposed and not detonate.) therefore small Nuke. As long as this Ammonium reaction acts as a cover, and it does this  very well, then this  is feasible. It should not be rejected as paranoia or conspiracy theory. I think still a conventional missile, would not have the ability to turn 2700 tons of material into gas. Because the Ammonia needs time to decompose. During relatively lower temp of 5000 C, compared to Nuke. And blast of chemical explosive takes time, the expanding hot gases  ( most energy released as blast, but Nuke can release most as heat. Ideal) causing decomposition of some material but dispersing before decomposition, most of it . Therefore you get a white cloud of missile strike or other colours in centre. Around this area, most of the Ammonium stored will disperse as white dust. If Nuke was used, the heat generated is instant and larger and higher temp. Turning everything into gas. Before blast wave is formed. Also the plume is vertical. Very significant. Because of very high temp and pressure. Like Nuke column. Other Ammonium plume, or conventional explosive, more round, like normal lower pressure and temp sphere.

    Also for those that support idea of fire in first building causing explosion in second building. Look again. The explosion in second building is dead centre and symmetrical about the building. If first fire caused Ammonium reaction, then side closest to building on fire, should have decomposed first. Blowing out the rest of material away. To the south. Not symmetrical. This is sign of planned event. Dead centre hit. And no one addressed problem of Richter scale. Even if all Ammonium had decomposed. It would not register as 3.3 on Richter scale. Look at this sattelite photo.

    https://sputniknews.com/photo/202008071080090545-Satellite-Images-of-Beirut-Port-Before-and-After-Deadly-Blast/


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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:08 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lebanese-president-we-will-investigate-possible-external-interference-historic-beirut

    NH4NO3 requires a detonation source. Throwing a match on it or electrical sparks may only result in combustion but not detonation.
    So it is rather clear that sabotage was involved since a detonator (bomb or other mining device) was needed.

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    Post  Isos on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:08 pm

    Btw in Beirut the people are boiling and want the heads of Hezbollah, which is the only positive of this misery

    They wabt the heads if the corrupt gov supported for years by west.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:15 pm

    The troll is putting out non-information as proof of his BS claims. Once the Lebanese civil war was started, Iran and others chose
    their sides. Claiming that this demonstrates Iran's responsibility is total BS. Iran hardly has any control of Lebanese Sunnis.
    You can look to US protectorate Saudi Arabia for influence.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/timeline-of-the-lebanese-civil-war-2353188

    How could Iranian mullahs have started the Lebanese civil war in 1975? They came to power in 1979. That is after several
    invasions of Lebanon by Israel. Note that Syria acted to counteract the Islamists against the Christians.

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    Post  Aristide on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:50 pm

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lebanese-president-we-will-investigate-possible-external-interference-historic-beirut

    NH4NO3 requires a detonation source.   Throwing a match on it or electrical sparks may only result in combustion but not detonation.
    So it is rather clear that sabotage was involved since a detonator (bomb or other mining device) was needed.  


    No, NH$NO3 accidents always happen when other stuff around it burns. In this case a warehouse next to it catched fire. The same thing happened 2015 in Tianjing. You have something burning nearby.

    You need no detonator, all you need is a ravaging fire nearby.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:51 pm

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lebanese-president-we-will-investigate-possible-external-interference-historic-beirut

    NH4NO3 requires a detonation source.   Throwing a match on it or electrical sparks may only result in combustion but not detonation.
    So it is rather clear that sabotage was involved since a detonator (bomb or other mining device) was needed.  



    For a guy calling people trolls, you are straight-up lying. NH4N03 doesn't require a detonator to go off. Nice propaganda~

    A fire which initiated fireworks. This fire then spread to the ammonium nitrate pile which started to burn giving off NOx products, water as a gas and nitrogen. As the ammonium nitrate burnt the gaseous products within the pile could not escape causing the burn rate to increase. When the speed of the burn became supersonic (greater than the speed of sound through the material) the ammonium nitrate detonated resulting in a supersonic shock travelling through the material which became a blast wave when it travelled through the atmosphere. The blast wave would contain pressures of GPa (Giga Pascals) and temperatures over 3000oC. The blast wave can travel great distances causing damage to buildings, cars, people etc.

    Natural conditions can easily set off Ammonmium under the right conditions this is why you are supposed to store it properly.
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    Post  Aristide on Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:20 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lebanese-president-we-will-investigate-possible-external-interference-historic-beirut

    NH4NO3 requires a detonation source.   Throwing a match on it or electrical sparks may only result in combustion but not detonation.
    So it is rather clear that sabotage was involved since a detonator (bomb or other mining device) was needed.  



    For a guy calling people trolls, you are straight-up lying. NH4N03 doesn't require a detonator to go off. Nice propaganda~

    A fire which initiated fireworks. This fire then spread to the ammonium nitrate pile which started to burn giving off NOx products, water as a gas and nitrogen. As the ammonium nitrate burnt the gaseous products within the pile could not escape causing the burn rate to increase. When the speed of the burn became supersonic (greater than the speed of sound through the material) the ammonium nitrate detonated resulting in a supersonic shock travelling through the material which became a blast wave when it travelled through the atmosphere. The blast wave would contain pressures of GPa (Giga Pascals) and temperatures over 3000oC. The blast wave can travel great distances causing damage to buildings, cars, people etc.

    Natural conditions can easily set off Ammonmium under the right conditions this is why you are supposed to store it properly.

    Exactly, it can even selfignite under certain conditions.
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:27 pm


    The decomposition of Ammonium at lower temperatures of 400 C, takes a long time. The cooler side of storage area not affected. The expanding gases at high speed push the rest of material out of the way. Before decomposition. Higher temperatures speed the process. Say by high temperature chemical reaction or missile. More gases and energy given out. But still temperature of gases comparatively low at 5000 C. Takes long time for decomposition. Material blown away. Not decomposed. Nuclear blast at 100,000,000 C. All material instantly decomposed. High temp and pressure differential create instant vertical plume. Material pushed up.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:30 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    The decomposition of Ammonium at lower temperatures of 400 C, takes a long time. The cooler side of storage area not affected. The expanding gases at high speed push the rest of material out of the way. Before decomposition. Higher temperatures speed the process. Say by high temperature chemical reaction or missile. More gases and energy given out. But still temperature of gases comparatively low at 5000 C. Takes long time for decomposition. Material blown away. Not decomposed. Nuclear blast at 100,000,000 C. All material instantly decomposed. High temp and pressure differential create instant vertical plume. Material pushed up.

    Not really natural conditions can amplify things to insane levels, what happened was simply natural conditions came together which resulted in it going off. Science explains what happens with ease.

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