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    Post  nomadski on Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:02 pm

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/beta.cp24.com/world/2020/8/4/1_5050500.html

    Does not look like firecrackers at all. Nor an attempt to take someone out. Looks like at least four distinct explosions. Looks like a mini - Nuke attack on port area. They need to see if there is radiation. To quickly determine............

    Here you see two explosions. First is oxygen rich. White. Second larger is oxygen poor. Brown.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:10 pm

    It seems a huge stock of chemicals with some firecracker .This red smoke could be sulfate solution mixed with other compounds like ferric compound .

    Oh God ,lebanon has enough issues already . In such explosions ,the nearby people could evaporate .

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    Post  Isos on Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:21 pm

    Many pictures of the port totally destroyed. Many nearby building damaged too. Lot of victims.

    Hope it is just impressive and not that much destructive.

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    BREAKING — Director-General of the Lebanese Public Security: What happened [in Beirut] is not a fireworks explosion, but a high-explosive material that was confiscated for years — Al Jazeera
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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:31 pm



    They said it's ammonia nitrate in huge stocks since years there .

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    Post  PhSt on Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:24 am

    so not a small yield tactical nuke?
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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:29 am

    PhSt wrote:so not a small yield tactical nuke?

    Yes, it was moronic storage of explosives without supervision for years.  

    BTW, ammonium nitrate salt does not need oxygen to detonate.   It decomposes exothermally into N2, O2, NO2 and H2O
    when it is detonated.   So basically heat can trigger off a chemical decomposition reaction.    The trick is to induce
    an initial detonation.   You can see lots of small explosions like fireworks before the monster that did all the damage.
    These detonations are good enough.   Heating of this salt does not guarantee any explosion since it decomposes into
    N2O and H2O.  

    The key is the temperature.   There are two main exothermal reactions at high themperature:

    NH4NO3 -> 0.75 N2 + 0.5 NO2 + 2 H2O at 860 C with a release of 316 cal/g
    NH4NO3 -> N2 + 0.5 O2 + 2 H2O           at 950 C with a release of 354 cal/g

    The reason for the reddish-brown colour of the cloud was because the first reaction was clearly very active and NO2 has
    a red-brown colour.    N2, O2 and H2O do not have any colour.

    The weak heating decomposition reactions are

    NH4NO3 -> N2O + 2 H2O  at 320 C with a release of 108 cal/g
    NH4NO3 -> 0.5 N2 + NO + 2 H2O at 260 C with a release of 86 cal/g

    and N2O and NO are colourless.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:41 am



    After watching the above news clip, I am thinking this was a deliberate act. Part of a regime change effort.

    The pundit in the video keeps on harping about a kleptocracy and the discontent of the people. Two talking
    points for regime change sponsored by the west. Lebanon has not been acting like a loyal bootlick after Hariri
    was offed and has dared to engage Russia and Iran. This cannot be allowed by the west and Israel. So they
    clearly have a motive to sow strife.

    Motive actually counts for something, western propaganda notwithstanding.

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    Post  Isos on Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:45 am

    Do you work in chemistry KVS ?
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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:33 am

    Isos wrote:Do you work in chemistry KVS ?

    I do research that involves atmospheric organic and inorganic chemistry.

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    Post  nomadski on Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:22 am

    Yes, they confirmed on news. Stupid way to store. But, an Earth penetrating mini - Nuke in Iron rich soil, will look identical. The thing is, that for a moment, it was plausible that Usrael had attacked Iran supply ship at port, with Nuke. And I thought, the world would accept it. No big deal. Trump saying..... We support Usrael  still.... Condemn use of Nukes. All because Lebanon or Iran, do not have Nuke detterent. Useless and dangerous Iranian policy..........

    Edit : Unconfirmed reports by eyewitness , report hearing drone or jet fly over area, prior to incident.

    https://youtu.be/mWZbrwb1mLQ

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition



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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:14 am

    PhSt wrote:so not a small yield tactical nuke?

    Small yield nuke still has more yield than this



    kvs wrote:After watching the above news clip, I am thinking this was a deliberate act. Part of a regime change effort.

    The pundit in the video keeps on harping about a kleptocracy and the discontent of the people. Two talking points for regime change sponsored by the west...



    Not necessarily, this is their usual MO

    No matter what happens they always rant about same bullshit on reflex hoping to hit the mark, vulture style

    They are like communists in this regard, they will use any opportunity to peddle their quasi-religious dogma regardless of human suffering involved

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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:23 pm

    A very different analysis of what happened, based on images like these. It is VT but it is an interesting take on it.

    The reaction of Hezbollah will be telling.

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    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/04/breaking-israel-nukes-beirut/
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    Post  crod on Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:26 pm

    Didn’t Hez already come out almost immediately and say accident and nothing to see here?
    Would Russian radars in Syria have captured israel actions?
    Having no idea about these weapons but would there not be huge amounts of radiation and related burns all over the place, even from smaller devices?
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:47 pm

    Aid is starting to pour in, on top of that below, first in was a field hospital from Egypt and three Il-76 from Russia.

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    3 aid planes from #Iran landed this morning in #Beirut, and have already set up a field hospital, 3 more are on the way from #Iraq, and another 5 from #Russia will take off shortly. #Lebanon

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    #Qatar Air Force C17 Globemaster III en route to #Lebanon, Qatar sends two field hospitals and urgent medical assistance to Lebanon each of them capacity 500 beds + all related equipments

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    Hellenic Air Force C130  Greek Fire Brigade search and rescue team en route to #Lebanon

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    Une cinquantaine de sapeurs sauveteurs de la Sécurité civile, accompagnés de médecins et de maîtres-chiens embarquent à Roissy pour #Beyrouth

    Translation 'About fifty rescuers from the Civil Security, accompanied by doctors and dog handlers embark in Roissy to Beirut'




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    The submerged area of the crater (which is probably slightly smaller than the full crater) is oblong due to the shape of the warehouse, but approximately 138x105m. The warehouse was 40m wide which means the crater extended roughly 30m to either side of the warehouse.


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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:15 pm

    Mmmm, whilst not pointing at it in the picture, it was Site 1 that blew up yesterday. According to VT the initial red colour smoke is typical of missile fuel burning. Maybe the fertilizer was 'camouflage' for the missile storage.

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    And it is Trump,who clearly stated that what happened was an attack
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    Several months ago Netanyahu indicated the location of the warehouse where the explosion occurred and said that there are weapons in this area are they a coincidence?Or was it a threat and it was implemented


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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:19 pm

    Tied up on the opposite side of the harbour. Took the full blast. Good looking ship.

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    As a result of yesterday's explosion in the port of Beirut, the Orient Queen cruise ship sank.

    Two crew members died and 6 were injured.


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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:30 pm

    Then we have, stored for 7 years!

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    Brilliant investigative work (tbc) from @WCM_JustSocial
    showing the #Beirut port authorities to may have seized upwards of 2K tonnes of Ammonium Nitrate in 2013.
    The cargo ship stalled opposite coast and cargo was removed due to its 'highly explosive' nature, 'stored in hangars'


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    A confirmer: Nitrate d'ammonium confisqué (cf AZF #Toulouse) pourrait provenir d'un incident qui a eu lieu en 2013 - vaisseau nommé Rhosus.

    Ce serait 2,750 tonnes (confisqués) de NH4NO3 vs 300 à #Toulouse.
    #Beirut #Beyrouth
    https://vesseltracker.com/es/Ships/Rhosus-8630344.html

    http://shiparrested.com/wp-content/upl

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    First photos emerging from #Beirut Port's #Hangar12 with workers stacking what seems to be the salvaged Nitroprill Ammonium Nitrate which caused the #BeirutBlast



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    They keyword here is 'auctioning'. The prospect of making a profit for some corrupt elements at #Beirut port authorities may have outweighed the disposal option (H/T @WCM_JustSocial)



    Bear in mind

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    Prior to today’s explosions in Beirut:

    -Bread was scarce, because the Gov’t can’t pay to import wheat
    -Essential medicines are disappearing from pharmacies.
    -Hospitals are laying off staff, because the Gov’t can’t pay salaries
    -Surgeries are canceled due to lack of electricity.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:47 pm

    Best video of the event I have seen so far is in this link.

    Looks like something set off an ammo warehouse, all the small flashes don't look like fireworks to me, then either one of its exploding munitions or something else set off the up to 2700 tons (minus 'sales' since 2013) of fertiliser in the next door warehouse.

    https://twitter.com/mhijazi/status/1290675030561566720
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:21 pm

    The sources I read, if correct, point to the problem that this material will not simply explode if exposed to heat, say from fire or elevated temperature. That it needs proper fuses. The contrary argument was that gases would be given off, by high sustained temperature and a fuel being present , that will then explode  by simple fire ?  ( The photo shows no fuel present). Also conflicting reports about workmen doing welding work in the building versus small explosions seen emanating from windows of warehouse. Plus video of projectile posted earlier here. If not photoshoped. Ownership of material, varies from a Saudi and Hariri effort to arm Syrian rebels, to ship confiscated on route from Moldavia to Africa. Report of port authority complaint to courts to remove, were stopped. Russia will remove debris. ( Good, will reveal if radiation present).

    Therefore so far, irrespective of origin of material, and  not thinking about  explosion caused by welding  or air attack or bomb for now . Then if store House had windows, then unlikely that firework  caused explosion? Could only cause small fires, short term, around bodies of fireworks, with paper and plastic as fuel ?


    https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ammonium-nitrate

    Compare with IRA bomb of Ammonium Nitrate and fuel oil. White smoke.

    https://youtu.be/HUl2ye6sPG8

    Therefore the explosion was not caused by Ammonium Nitrate. Nor an explosive chemical device. Either planted internal or external. The Ammonium decomposed into Red NO2 gas at high temperature. As KVS said. A MOAB is way too small to introduce enough fuel to initiate size of explosion, and would produce white smoke . This explosion is in low kiloton range. I THINK it is mini- Nuke. Delivered by drone. As witnesses said. Since delivery by hand not reliable. Hezb should quickly provide sample to Iran, urgently. Now they take open credit. More brazen. More humiliating.


    Also according to USGS :

    No. Even huge amounts of explosive almost never cause even small earthquakes, and it would take hundreds and thousands of small earthquakes to equal a large one, even if it could be done. In addition, we wouldn't have any control over the size of the earthquake being created if it worked, since small and large earthquakes all start out in exactly...


    BUT,  this explosion registered 3.3 on Richter scale !

    https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/can-nuclear-explosions-cause-earthquakes?qt-news_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products

    This yontap North Korea Nuke explosion on 25 may 2009, was 5 kiloton. With 4.5 on the Richter scale. So this Lebanon blast at 3.3 Richter is about 3/4 of 5 kiloton. Or at least 1-3 kiloton. Similar to W25. Adapted for ground attack.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.zmescience.com/science/north-korea-bomb-test-04092017/amp/
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:02 am

    Insensitive but funny... Laughing

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:25 am

    People have watched dozens and dozens of different versions of video, they have found ZERO evidence of any ordinance used.

    These are people who can freeze and look frame by frame, there was no bomb used. if there was one would have been found in a frame in the dozens and dozens of videos out there.

    Chemicals can behave in ways beyond a normal persons understanding and a unique occurrence could have very well happened.

    So no a "tactical mini-nuke" wasn't used. If there was people would have detected trace radiation by now.

    I guess here comes the conspiracy theory phase. I realize some people will want to believe Isreali was behind this and this look for any excuse under the blue moon.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:09 am

    2450 tonnes of AM is approx equal to 370 tonnes of TNT (based on ~15% energy equivalence by mass).

    If a few kilotons equivalent had been detonated then a big chunk of Beirut waterside would have been levelled, and those silos right adajacent the blast site would be nothing but foundations.

    Nah.. nukes not involved. These claims remind me of Ukropistanis reacting to the "rapid unplanned disassembly" of their ammo dumps Very Happy
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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:21 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:2450 tonnes of AM is approx equal to 370 tonnes of TNT (based on ~15% energy equivalence by mass).

    If a few kilotons equivalent had been detonated then a big chunk of Beirut waterside would have been levelled, and those silos right adajacent the blast site would be nothing but foundations.

    Nah..  nukes not involved.  These claims remind me of Ukropistanis reacting to the "rapid unplanned disassembly" of their ammo dumps Very Happy

    Also, no missile will produce the explosion seen. It really is NH4NO3 that detonated. That is bad enough already and the chorus of
    "corruption" propaganda from the western MSM tells me that this sabotage was orchestrated. There is a clear agenda to regime change Lebanon.

    Russia is trying to establish an cordon sanitaire from Lebanon to Syria to Iraq and to Iran to keep out the Wahabbi locusts being bred by US protectorate
    Saudi Arabia. The NATzO and Israel are targeting exactly these countries.

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    Post  nomadski on Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:41 am

    @ SeigSoloyov

    ".... These are people who can freeze and look frame by frame, there was no bomb used. if there was one would have been found in a frame in the dozens and dozens of videos out there...."

    The post by VT, points to possible projectile. As does early reports of drone or jet. A small Nuke device, could have been planted by hand. Weeks or months in advance.

    "... So no a "tactical mini-nuke" wasn't used. If there was people would have detected trace radiation by now.... "

    Maybe. Many clean an efficient and small Nukes, produce very little radiation. And there is not yet been a study of debris. However all foods in port area, declared contaminated. Why?

    @ Big Gazza

    "..... If a few kilotons equivalent had been detonated then a big chunk of Beirut waterside would have been levelled, and those silos right adajacent the blast site would be nothing but foundations......"

    You have answered your own question. Big chunk of Beirut WAS levelled. The silo is a strong structure, and in Hiroshima, the strong Church, with concrete foundations survived, while everything else was destroyed.

    @ KVS

    ".... It really is NH4NO3 that detonated........"


    I think many problems with this theory :

    ( 1 )  The colour of gas not consistent with Ammonium explosive. Red for NO2.

    ( 2 )  The conventional explosive of this or higher yield, will not produce 3.3 Richter scale.
            Only Nuke.

    ( 3 )  Even compacted And wet old Ammonium , subjected to intense conventional fire, will dissociate slowly. Gases escaping from hard surface. Breaking and bubbling. As centre of mass, can not reach very high temperatures. And all suddenly and collectively. Only an intense source, instantaneously can do this. Dissociate large mass into gases. But no explosion by Ammonium. Only Nuke can cause instantaneous dissociation of large Mass into NO2. Looks like Nuke disguised as industrial accident. Clever trick.
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    Post  crod on Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:20 am

    What about good old fashioned incompetency? It’s being killing people for eons. Life isn’t always so complicated or doomsday mate...

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