Libyan Crisis #2

Countries use mercenaries so that there is no proof they got involved directly.

Why? Are you saying the polite soldiers in the Crimea were Wagner?

I would suggest to you there is a desperate need on the side of the western media to suggest and pretend links with Putin and Wagner because then all they need to do is find a Wagner merc currrent or former in Eastern Ukraine so they can pretend it is all proof of Russian aggression... it is a war against Russia.

I would also suggest making links with Putin personally are for this goal.

Did you ever hear about any personal links between the leader of Britain with the White Helmets... was Bush best buddies with Blackwater?

Wagner is important for Russia no matter what you think. It is owned by a guy close to Putin and they help Russian forces in their operations in Syria as well as in Libya. Being a private company they also need to make money and do operations where russia isn't involved directly.

Merc forces can't operate without permission and their might be local cooperation, but the BS the west is trying to push has no proof at all... look at the situation in Belarus... claims Putin wants to get in to regime change and using Wagner to do it.... honestly... what a crock of shit.

That is why I am asking for proof because pretty soon Wagner will be interfering in elections and trying to invade the EU and Baltic countries etc etc...

You can be anti-US as much as you want and point at their war crimes all day, that doesn't make russians angels.

But in that case the evidence is abundant and accepted... and the reason bullshit like highly likely works is because everyone just assumes the Russians are no different... but let me ask you... if they are no different why can't they be bought? Why are the west so afraid of Russia and China... the west spends hundreds of times more money real and hidden on corrupting the world and stealing other peoples stuff... why are the so afraid of the Russians and the Chinese if they are just the same?

Their bombings in Syria kill also civilians, their war in Chechnya was dirty and their war in Afghanistan was as usefull as Vietnam war for US.

The reasons for Russian involvement in those places are not money an oil like the US... in Syria they are fighting terrorists.... most of the civilians killed now are like concentration camp inmates, or prison staff... they are either OK because they are the family members of terrorists... which makes them prison staff and not innocent civilans, or they are inmates and probably will put up with deaths to get rid of ISIS. Chechnia was an internal conflict against terrorists, and Afghanistan was the Soviet Union... not just Russia... and it was a reaction to the CIA trying to infiltrate a neighbour after getting their asses handed to them in Iran.

Russian also admitted working with talibans against ISIS because it was in their interests. That's mostly true for any country.

Why would Russia not work with the Taliban? The Taliban kept order and stopped farmers growing drugs to sell in Russia. Russia has never been at war with the Taleban, why would they not cooperate with them against ISIS and the US supported remnants of the Muj they fought in the 1980s that is the government?

A better example would be Russia cooperating with the Afghan leadership installed by HATO after their invasion if you want to paint Russia as evil... cooperating with a group installed into power by an imperial invader...

They were pictured with russian made Tigr-M.

[sarcasm]Oh, My God!!!... that is all the evidence we need... a Russia based military group using Russian military equipment... they must be best buddies with Putin, and no mistake... [/sarcasm]

They got mig-29 in Libya. Just posted a picture of a modern anti UAV system. Normal mercebaries don't have such stuff.

Wagner is supposed to be a group of ex military people, which would be the place to look if you manage to buy MiG-29s because they might be able to help fly and maintain them, but the obvious question... is there only one mercenary group in Russia?

Do the MiG-29s in Libya have Wagner markings?

The Anti UAV system would be in testing by its makers... a Russian company... now that Russian company might be able to get Russian military protection and support so they can take the system into the field to test but equally they also might hire a private company for protection in a dangerous place.... do you think they would hire the White Helmets?

Does the owner of the EW company also know Putin?

Putin said the little green men in Crimea were not Russian and after everything was secured and he got Crimea he admited they were his men.

But hang on... you guys are saying Wagner means deniability... why weren't the little green men Wagner men?

That is what they would be for isn't it?

Unless you guys are full of shit and Russia uses legitimate soldiers... special forces or otherwise, for military missions, and leaves the merc BS to the west.

Correct but you are wasting your breath on those two they will argue against if even tho it's clear as day.

Clear as day... still waiting for proof... so it can't be that clear.

I know you guys are internet detectives, but please try to keep within the realms of reality. Thank you.

There is only Wagner. Mercs are easy going friendly guys who all agree on everything so there is no need for different merc groups in Russia because they all work together really well so any Russian aircraft piloted by non serving Russian military pilots must be Wagner and can be no one else...

Simple western media brains work that way... it is sad that some here are fooled into agreeing with them... perhaps they need to think some more about how the real world works.

Russians, Ukrainians, Bulgarians and the like have been used by western mercenaries as well especially during the early 2000's.

Georgian snipers were hired by the US to shoot and murder both government troops and protesters during Maidan, fighting in Chechnia attracted all sorts of nutters wanting a shot at a Russian soldier, thinking they were fighting the good fight keeping Europe safe from the Russian hordes...

Some are just interested in money and will shoot family if that is the job, while others probably pick their jobs more carefully so they get to enjoy their work... I am sure a lot of ex US military joined Blackwater to kill some non white people in the Middle East.

"Russian proof" what a laughable statement. There is more than enough evidence on the web.

Then post some...

The entire reason Russia uses Wagner is to give it deniability but you want them to admit it which completely goes against the entire point LOL.

So you are saying it is highly likely because the west does that... yeah, I have heard that excuse before... Blow Job and May use that all the time, but I am asking for actual proof... not thin bullshit that the western public eats up...