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    Post  Isos on Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:13 am

    Another an-124 from the same base as the previous on in Russia landed in Libya.

    Probably more S-300 stuff.
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    Post  medo on Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:33 pm

    https://www.pentapostagma.gr/kosmos/enoples-syrraxeis/6958151_mig-29-kai-su-24-exaylosan-ta-toyrkika/korkut-sti-libyi

    Ούτε 48 ώρες δεν άντεξαν τα τουρκικά αντιαεροπορικά συστήματα Korkut στη Λιβύη, καθώς βομβαρδίστηκαν με χαρακτηριστική ευκολία από μαχητικά αεροσκάφη MiG-29 και Su-24.


    Το τουρκικό ανάλογο του ρωσικού αντιπυραυλικού συγκροτήματος «Pantsir-S» δεν κατάφερε να ανταπεξέλθει στις προσδοκίες των Τούρκων στη Λιβύη.

    Μαχητικά αεροσκάφη και βομβαρδιστικά κατέστρεψαν τα τουρκικά συγκροτήματα ACV-30 Korkut, τα οποία στην Άγκυρα χαρακτηρίστηκαν ως ανάλογα των ρωσικών πυραυλικών συστημάτων άμυνας Pantsir-S, μόλις 48 ώρες μετά την εγκατάστασή τους στην αεροπορική βάση Αλ Ουατίγια της Λιβύης.

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    Το χτύπημα, κρίνοντας από τα διαθέσιμα στοιχεία, προκλήθηκε από μαχητικά αεροσκάφη MiG-29, και πιθανώς από βομβαρδιστικά Su-24, τα αφού τύφλωσαν πρώτα το ραντάρ των Korkut στη συνέχεια τα βομβάρδισαν και τα κατέστρεψαν ολοκληρωτικά.

    «Μετά την καταστροφή των τουρκικών συστημάτων αεροπορικής άμυνας MIM-23 Hawk στη Λιβύη, η Άγκυρα ανησυχεί για την ασφάλεια του στρατού της σε αυτήν τη χώρα της Βόρειας Αφρικής.

    Πρόσθετα αντιαεροπορικά πυραυλικά συστήματα και ηλεκτρονικά συστήματα πολέμου μεταφέρθηκαν στην αεροπορική βάση αλ Ουατίγια. Τώρα, στην επικράτεια του κύριου προπύργιου των Τούρκων στη Λιβύη, το αυτοκινούμενο αντιαεροπορικό όπλο Κορκούτ εμφανίστηκε για πρώτη φορά, το οποίο στην Τουρκία χαρακτηρίζονταν επανειλημμένα ως «ανάλογο» του ρωσικού πυραυλικού συστήματος άμυνας Pantsir-C1, παρά το γεγονός ότι το πυραυλικό σύστημα είναι οπλισμένο μόνο με πυροβόλα και δεν έχει πυραύλους, - αναφέρει η ιστοσελίδα "Reporter".

    Το μεγαλύτερο ενδιαφέρον μεταξύ των ειδικών είναι το γεγονός ότι για την αποτελεσματική λειτουργία του ACV-30 Korkut, χρησιμοποιήθηκαν ειδικά ραντάρ, τα οποία υποτίθεται ότι ανιχνεύουν ικανοποιητικά μαχητικά αεροσκάφη και βομβαρδιστικά από απόσταση αρκετών δεκάδων χιλιομέτρων, ωστόσο, όπως αποδείχθηκε, η αεροπορική επίθεση πραγματοποιήθηκε από κοντινή απόσταση και, ως εκ τούτου, υπάρχει η υπόθεση ότι τα μαχητικά, χρησιμοποιώντας το σύστημα πυραύλων «Talisman», απλώς «τύφλωσαν» τα τουρκικά ραντάρ, και κατόπιν βομβάρδισαν με επιτυχία την στρατιωτική αεροπορική βάση.

    Turkish Korkut anti-aircraft systems in Libya did not last even 48 hours, as they were bombed with characteristic ease by MiG-29 and Su-24 fighter jets.


    The Turkish counterpart of the Russian anti-missile group "Pantsir-S" failed to meet the expectations of the Turks in Libya.

    Fighter jets and bombers destroyed the Turkish ACV-30 Korkut complexes, which in Ankara were described as analogous to Russia's Pantsir-S missile defense systems, just 48 hours after they were deployed at Libya's Al Watiya air base.

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    The strike, judging by the available data, was caused by MiG-29 fighter jets, and possibly Su-24 bombers, which, after first blinding the Korkut radar, then bombed and destroyed them completely.

    "Following the destruction of the Turkish MIM-23 Hawk air defense systems in Libya, Ankara is concerned about the security of its army in this North African country.

    Additional anti-aircraft missile and electronic warfare systems were transferred to al-Watiya air base. Now, in the territory of the main Turkish stronghold in Libya, the self-propelled anti-aircraft gun Korkut appeared for the first time, which in Turkey was repeatedly described as "analogous" to the Russian Pantsir-C1 missile defense system, despite the fact that the missile system is only with guns and no missiles, - reports the website "Reporter".

    The greatest interest among experts is the fact that for the effective operation of the ACV-30 Korkut, special radars were used, which are supposed to detect sufficient fighter jets and bombers from a distance of several tens of kilometers, however, as it turned out, the air attack was carried out by short distance and, therefore, there is the hypothesis that the fighters, using the "Talisman" missile system, simply "blinded" the Turkish radars, and then successfully bombed the military air base.

    Libyan air force strikes again in Al Watiyah air base. This time they destroy Hawk-XXI battery, Koral EW complex and 2 Korkut vehicles. Most probably LNA use both MiG-29SM and Su-24M. MiG-29SM for air aqnd ECM protecton with Talisman ECM pods and Su-24M for precision strikes with TV or laser guided bombs or with unguided bombs with SVP-24. Su-24M could fly on very low altitudes with help of Relief terrain following radar and come very close to Turkish positions. Pilots seems to be very experienced, so most probably from Syrian AF.


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    Post  Gomig-21 on Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:46 pm

    Thank you for the translation, @medo . Good stuff. That would be quite something if it's Syrian pilots doing that kind of flying, jamming AND anti-jamming and pin-point accurate bombings. That's something usually left for very experienced air forces and not just very experienced AFs, but ones using state of the art aircraft and have been using them for a while so they'd have such experience with them to tackle such a dangerous mission like that.

    Also, what does that say about the turkeys? This is what, the 3rd time they get hit in that same base and every time them pump it up with more anti hitting equipment lol and they still get hit again. Doesn't bode well for the feathered ones, I must say.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:59 pm

    OK guys, you are going to love this. The Turks have pulled a real good one whilst they have the GNA over a barrel. They appear to have a contract entitling them to 70% of Libyan import/export duties for the next 5 years and 60% for the 3 years after that.

    Note that the contract is not Government to Government, I doubt it would take very long for any of us the think of who might be the beneficial owners of S. C. K. A classic case where the costs (Turkey's activities in Libya) are born by the State but the profits are private (no doubt into the nearest Swiss bank). Could be more lucrative contracts we don't know about out there.

    Another incentive for the LNA to take over, scrap that contract.

    Translated from the Arabic by Yandex. Sorry its a bit long but didn't want to force each of you to translate it by just putting a link up.

    Again.. The documents reveal the sale by the alwefaq government of Libyan enterprises to Turkey on a platter of gold.

    The last of these documents, a contract concluded by the minister of Finance, Government of “reconciliation” frag Putin with the company “S. C. K.” the Turkish foreign trade on the work of the customs control of the goods to Libya, which is considered by experts as holding the nationalization of the customs of Libya in the hands of the Turkish police for 8 years.

    Documents and documents .. The Ministry of Finance of alwefaq nationalizes Libyan customs for a Turkish company for 8 years 2

    Got the "24" on the copy of the contract adopted by the Experts Group and Legal Talk for"24" and refused to permit their identity, the injustice of standing on the Libya, the imposition of the authority of "consensus" on the air and sea ports in the west of the country.

    Documents and documents .. The Ministry of Finance of alwefaq nationalizes Libyan customs for a Turkish company for eight years.

    Despite the lack of declaration of “presidential” officially announced the tender for local and international businesses in order to progress her papers to get knocked down for a drink keep track of the goods supplied via the electronic system to Libya, the “consensus” held that the company “S. C. K.” translation is the only one that got the exclusive offer for the project, is eligible for implementation with its efficiency and experience, and the full and employment of school financial resources necessary to provide its services (according to the preamble of the contract between the parties).

    Documents and documents .. The Ministry of Finance of alwefaq nationalizes Libyan customs for a Turkish company for eight years.

    According to the document, the contract, the Presidential Council of the government of “reconciliation” authorized in Resolution No. 396 for the year 2020, to between the customs authority (of his authority) with the company “S. C. K.” soil, which is headquartered in Istanbul, are the minister of Finance “Concord” frag Putin on July 2, the past with the owner of the company Mehmet Kocabas.
    The contract stipulates in its article “second” to “S. C. K.” the functions of creation and management of an electronic system providing data and statistics for all the goods supplied Glen Libby (qualitatively and quantitatively) before they arrive to the country.

    Documents and documents .. The Ministry of Finance of alwefaq nationalizes Libyan customs for a Turkish company for 8 years 5

    Each party two delegates to follow the project periodically and provide consultancy, training and technical support, according to the article “fifth” of the contract, and the previous article are for education establishment based in Libya to exercise its activity.

    Documents and documents .. The Ministry of Finance of alwefaq nationalizes Libyan customs for a Turkish company for 8 years 6

    In its Article VII, the contract considered any subsequent written or oral terms between the parties to be void if they conflicted with the contract itself.

    Article “ninth” that “the contract is valid for eight years from the date of signature, and may be one of the parties he terminated his own solo, if you notify one of the parties to the other of its intention not to renewal, before the end of the contract within 6 months of the completion date, the contract will be deemed to have automatically renewed for another 8 years unless agreed other cities”.

    Documents and documents .. The Ministry of Finance of alwefaq nationalizes Libyan customs for a Turkish company for 8 years 7

    I heard “reconciliation” of the Turkish company in the contract, to deduct 70% of total revenue in the first 5 years to deduct 60% of the total is three years remaining in the contract, that payment would be made in Euro or the currency which is agreed upon between the parties, according to the article “tenth” of the contract.

    In the case of the will of any government of Libya National the termination of the contract the Turkish company in the future in case of failure, the contract described by the experts group as”unjust”, and stand in front of it, in the article “thirteenth” contains a Libyan party if it turns out not the leadership of the company after its work properly, to give notice in writing to “S. C. K.” stating the reason of termination and the failure to take or initiate action sufficient to address that report in no later than 30 days from the date of receipt of the notice, or if the company has lost legal capacity.

    Documents and documents .. The Ministry of Finance of alwefaq nationalizes Libyan customs for a Turkish company for eight years.

    Stuffed “accord” in the same article, to read unfair, he saw where the legal experts that act as the cord which made the Turkish company around the neck of Libya, as it would be by a large amount very overrated for the time that is customary at the instance of its international markets.


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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:05 pm

    Gomig-21 wrote:Thank you for the translation, @medo .  Good stuff.  That would be quite something if it's Syrian pilots doing that kind of flying, jamming AND anti-jamming and pin-point accurate bombings.  That's something usually left for very experienced air forces and not just very experienced AFs, but ones using state of the art aircraft and have been using them for a while so they'd have such experience with them to tackle such a dangerous mission like that.

    Also, what does that say about the turkeys?  This is what, the 3rd time they get hit in that same base and every time them pump it up with more anti hitting equipment lol and they still get hit again.  Doesn't bode well for the  feathered ones, I must say.

    Perhaps some replacement gear on the way in those A400M. Can't leave the airfield undefended.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:52 pm

    Official ceasefire from GNA .


    Libya's Government of National Accord in Tripoli has just announced a ceasefire in the country.



    Speaker of Tobruk-based House of Representatives Aguila Saleh announces immediate ceasefire and end to all hostilities in #Libya, after similar announcement by Chairman of Presidential Council, Fayez Sarraj

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:14 pm

    Looks like the LNA agreeing to open up the oil system and allow the money to flow was a crucial factor. Running out of money is a great concentrator of the mind. There seems to be talk of elections next year.

    This raises a big potential problem for Syria, lots of terrorists returning back to Idlib and the Turks no longer active in two countries in quite the same way.

    Also I got the content of those two A400M wrong, apparently not SAMs but 350 odd more terrorists.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:51 am

    Maybe they should target those flights taking the terrorists home with some long range missiles....

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:58 am

    JohninMK wrote:Looks like the LNA agreeing to open up the oil system and allow the money to flow was a crucial factor. Running out of money is a great concentrator of the mind. There seems to be talk of elections next year.

    This raises a big potential problem for Syria, lots of terrorists returning back to Idlib and the Turks no longer active in two countries in quite the same way.

    Also I got the content of those two A400M wrong, apparently not SAMs but 350 odd more terrorists.

    LNA didn't have much choice in the end, like I said ways back Haftar had to win a quick war. He could not afford a long one, his offensive stalled and thus he lost. That war was over weeks after it started and it was beyond simple to see what would happen as a result.

    Turkey did not need to push the LNA back just hold on.

    In terms of Syria, Erdo will not take any more ground but he is annexing the parts of Syria he controls and that is pretty much that.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:55 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ISCResearch/status/1303300075188367364

    They say a mig-29 was shot down in Libya. The guy on the video speaks russian but it could be a fake.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:32 pm

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/ISCResearch/status/1303300075188367364

    They say a mig-29 was shot down in Libya. The guy on the video speaks russian but it could be a fake.

    If it was a Russian pilot he would not be recording anything.....he would be radio silent avoiding drawing attention to his position encase anyone came towards his location.

    Making a video like that and putting it on twitter violates every rule in the book.

    Mercenaries also would not be allowed to fly aircraft, so this is fake.
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    Post  medo on Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:11 pm

    Could be training for search and rescue missions. This guy could simulate pilot and could not be a real pilot. Mercenaries could as well do their trainings to rescue shot down pilots if needed. It was not that far from Al Jufra base and there was no sign of smoke on the horizon, which could be seen from the crash site.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:21 pm

    medo wrote:Could be training for search and rescue missions. This guy could simulate pilot and could not be a real pilot. Mercenaries could as well do their trainings to rescue shot down pilots if needed. It was not that far from Al Jufra base and there was no sign of smoke on the horizon, which could be seen from the crash site.

    Still would not be uploading it to the web if it was being done while on duty like it was.

    But it's possible it was a simulated crash site with Russian mercs conducting a training exercise, that is a reasonable thought.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:41 pm

    It can also be a GNA propaganda fake video. We don't see the mig and they have lot of unused mig-21/23 from which they could take the parachute and the seat. Russian language is quite common and many guys in former libyan air force were trained in Russia.

    I agree they wouldn't share such video in the middle of a propaganada war with turkey anyway. They documented nothing about the Mig send from Russia. They can't even say who fly them let alone give such video on the net.


    I disagree with the training story because they wouldn't use a real parachute neither the real seat behind.
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    Post  medo on Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:44 pm

    Why not? This could be old retired seat and parashute. After all it is training for rescue teams, which have to find him in the desert and orange rescue parashute is good marker for them. But we do not know, where this training was done. It could be as well in one of Stans.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:16 pm

    So, what's that pilot is saying ?
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    Post  Isos on Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:47 pm

    medo wrote:Why not? This could be old retired seat and parashute. After all it is training for rescue teams, which have to find him in the desert and orange rescue parashute is good marker for them. But we do not know, where this training was done. It could be as well in one of Stans.

    Because the way the video is shown plays against them as the GNA can say they downed a mig-29 for their propaganda war.

    If it was a training of the LNA side they would made it clear in the video.

    But since there is no confirmation from both side IMO it's just fake.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:51 pm

    No mention of their bigger brothers that are no doubt lurking around.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:11 pm

    Libya's PM Fayez al-Sarraj reportedly set to resign


    Prime Minister of UN-recognised administration said to stay on through negotiations for a new government in Geneva

    Libyan Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj plans to announce his resignation soon, but will stay on in a caretaker capacity through next month's negotiations over a new government, according to officials familiar with the situation.

    With Turkish help, Sarraj, head of the UN-recognised Government of National Accord (GNA) based in Tripoli, quashed a year-long offensive on the capital by eastern commander Khalifa Haftar in June.

    Haftar, who is supported by countries including the UAE, Egypt and Russia, backs a rival eastern-based parliament.

    Rival Libya governments announce ceasefire and call for elections
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    Despite Sarraj's defence of Tripoli, his government has since descended into political infighting, and Sarraj has also faced protests over corruption and poor services.

    By announcing his resignation, Sarraj would relieve some of the pressure he faces while setting the stage for his departure after the talks in Geneva, two officials told Bloomberg on condition of anonymity.

    Under a ceasefire announced last month, the rival sides will be asked to agree on a new presidential council structure that unifies the country's rival administrations and schedules elections.

    Four officials told Bloomberg that Sarraj and his aides had discussed his plans with Libyan and international partners.

    He is expected to make his announcement by the end of this week, two officials said.

    A spokesman for Sarraj declined to comment on the prime minister's plans.

    New UN envoy

    Meanwhile, the UN Security Council on Tuesday asked Secretary-General Antonio Guterres to appoint a special envoy to broker peace in Libya, although Russia and China abstained from voting on the resolution that also extended the UN mission in the country.

    Ghassan Salame, who headed the UN political mission and was also charged with trying to mediate peace, quit in March due to stress.

    Guterres informally proposed a replacement, but the United States wanted the role split, to have one person run the UN mission and a special envoy to focus on mediation.

    The Security Council agreed to that proposal on Tuesday.

    "With the new structure, we will have to present a new candidate and we will have to naturally consult with the Security Council for that purpose," Guterres told Reuters in an interview on Monday.

    The Security Council traditionally agrees, informally, by consensus to such appointments.

    Several months ago, the US proposed that Guterres appoint former Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt to be special envoy, but diplomats said she had since withdrawn herself from consideration.

    Russia and China said they abstained on the resolution on Tuesday because it did not include their suggested amendments.

    "I'm shocked with the fact that so many spoilers, so many countries, have been interfering with the Libyan situation, building up military capacity on both sides... completely disregarding resolutions of the Security Council in relation to the arms embargo, or mercenaries," Guterres told Reuters.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/libya-fayez-sarraj-gna-plan-resignation
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:44 am

    Read that news as well elsewhere.

    It seems that things are getting a bit hot for him in Tripoli and now that he has loads of money tucked away in banks all over Europe it is time for him to disappear off and enjoy it.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:39 pm

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