Libyan Crisis #2

https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/1276127061292318721?s=20

A report of bombing of Jufra from an Arab source. Needs confirmation

Also capt the target side of whom consists countries like above

Joint Statement by France, Germany and Italy (25 Jun. 2020)

In light of the growing risks of a deterioration of the situation in Libya and regional escalation, France, Germany and Italy call on all Libyan parties to immediately and unconditionally cease fighting and to suspend the ongoing military build-up throughout the country.

They also urge foreign actors to end all interference and to fully respect the arms embargo established by the United Nations Security Council. They encourage the swift conclusion of negotiations within the 5+5 military working group under the auspices of UNSMIL to enable the signature of a sustainable and credible ceasefire agreement.

This is an essential element to create the necessary climate for the concrete resumption of inter-Libyan political dialogue which will enable a sustainable resolution to the conflict. All efforts in this regard, including the Egyptian initiative announced on 6 June, must be encouraged. Any initiative in support of a cease-fire agreement and of negotiated political settlement of the Libyan crisis must be fully inclusive and be firmly anchored to the architecture of the Berlin Process which remains the only viable framework.

https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/country-files/libya/news/2020/article/libya-joint-statement-by-france-germany-and-italy-25-jun-2020

Man you people are so easily fooled by twitter.

No, no Russian forces in Libya.

That's a pro-GNA account. Nothing reliable there.

What would be the point to send your soldier without acknowledging it and risking their life to turkish drones ?

Russian MOD never risk its soldiers lifes. They do things correctly.

If they go there they will set up a base, coordinate it with egypt to connect their stuff with their radars and launch some cruise missiles to make it official...

Isos wrote:What would be the point to send your soldier without acknowledging it and risking their life to turkish drones ?

Russian MOD never risk its soldiers lifes. They do things correctly.

If they go there they will set up a base, coordinate it with egypt to connect their stuff with their radars and launch some cruise missiles to make it official...

Yes they do lol, No military is innocent in that fact.

Special ops apart, when they deploy soldiers they don't hide it and make it clear they are russian soldiers so that no one touches them.

And yes, TOR and Pantsir can fire and operate while moving... not quite as accurate with gunfire, but missiles accurate enough...



BTW Amusing image with the Russian flags on the map... unusual there are no French or German or UK or American flags there...

Isos wrote:Special ops apart, when they deploy soldiers they don't hide it and make it clear they are russian soldiers so that no one touches them.

That doesn't stop them from being killed from time to time. You gotta be naive to think the only time soldiers from any country die is when they are reported by the host government. Russia much like other stuff conceals that information.

Hell, the Russians still won't come clean about their real causality numbers from WW2 and that was over 70 years ago and you think they are being honest about modern times?. Again all countries do this not just Russia. This isn't something unique to anyone.

Now, this doesn't mean Russia sends its guys into a meat grinder, but they do put their men in iffy situations if they deem it's worth the risk and guess what that's normal for every country.

I'm not saying they hide deaths. I say when they deploy official troops they don't hide that fact.

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:I'm not saying they hide deaths. I say when they deploy official troops they don't hide that fact.

You seem to be hung up on "official" troops whilst Serg and I are not and I don't know where you got it from.

All my quoted Twitter post said was "Russian military personal" and I stand by my statement that they could well be there, indeed we should expect them to be there, in the background, advisors etc.

That would special ops doing secret ops and not in the spotlights... whuch very likely.

But they don't take oil fields in a country where their governement said they have no troops.

Anyway US would be the first to signal such movement of russian military if they happened. And they didn't so the source is totally biased.

I remember plenty of American citizens in America openly volunteering to go and fight Serbia to save Kosovo... but when they realised that is against international law they stopped reporting it... I suspect the internet will be purged of such stories by now... the point is that despite US contracts with mercenaries, it is generally a pretty seedy and secret area of conflict.

Russia might have special forces in Libya, and you can put all the Highly Likely sauce on that that you like, but you need more evidence than that for it to be fact.

The facts are that the west fucked that country up and ram raided it from a modern almost western society to a rat infested shithole where ISIS and Al Quada are in charge in most places.... and that Russian and Iranian forces openly went to Syria to solve a similar war crime perpetrated by the west, so it is possible they might have some forces there investigating what is happening on the ground, but to call them Russian forces is a huge leap and you need proof to back that up.

Suggesting some mercenaries constitute Russian forces is bullshit. Blackwater had all sorts of nationalities working for them and when they screwed up... either committing war crimes or getting caught and heading home in a body bag there was no mention of them being US military forces and their deaths were never included in any US forces stats...

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:I'm not saying they hide deaths. I say when they deploy official troops they don't hide that fact.

You seem to be hung up on "official" troops whilst Serg and I are not and I don't know where you got it from.

All my quoted Twitter post said was "Russian military personal" and I stand by my statement that they could well be there, indeed we should expect them to be there, in the background, advisors etc.

Difference is that we are correct and you and Sieg are not.  Sieg is a known liar and we all called him out on it.  You can believe whatever BS you want but so far, we are all aware of it and Russia admits to what they do unlike certain players (UK, US, etc).

If Russian troops were actually in Libya, we would know. Much like how Russian troops moved around in Crimea quickly and we all knew about it. But all of a sudden with this, its silence. No pictures, no insignias, nothing. In an age were cameras catch nearly everything.

GarryB wrote:I remember plenty of American citizens in America openly volunteering to go and fight Serbia to save Kosovo... but when they realised that is against international law they stopped reporting it... I suspect the internet will be purged of such stories by now... the point is that despite US contracts with mercenaries, it is generally a pretty seedy and secret area of conflict.

What's humorous is there's Yugoslob bootlickers on this forum that praise and cape for Uncle Sham every chance they get, and shit on Russia every chance they get, Hell they even outright whitewash Reagan's failed legacy....yes the same guy who supported beta-Al Qaeda/ISIS (Afghan Mujahadeen), which would find their way to Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo. I call their mental illness bottom-bitch (gimp) Stockholm syndrome (BBSS) or BS in stereo.  

miketheterrible wrote:If Russian troops were actually in Libya, we would know. Much like how Russian troops moved around in Crimea quickly and we all knew about it. But all of a sudden with this, its silence. No pictures, no insignias, nothing. In an age were cameras catch nearly everything.

There was a full fledged base in Sevastopol, which predated the Maidan Crisis by 14 years (the military base agreement at the time was signed in 1997), the Russian military had some sort of military base of operation in Crimea for at least 200 years up until that point.

yes, but even in cases of Syria and what not, they were not shy of moving troops there. Actually, in Russia's history since end of Soviet Union, they were open about their operations. The rest is hearsay with no actual evidence but claims from "Sources".