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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:36 pm

    very cost control way with a cheap bombs against terrorists
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:19 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:very cost control way with a cheap bombs against terrorists
    MOD has invested heavily in to inertial guidance, and has applied said technology to just about everything. The new GLATGM's being introduced for Russian MBT's will have inertial guidance integration, to allow them to hit targets at much greater ranges than 5km (presumably beyond 10km).
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:31 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:very cost control way with a cheap bombs against terrorists
    MOD has invested heavily in to inertial guidance, and has applied said technology to just about everything. The new GLATGM's being introduced for Russian MBT's will have inertial guidance integration, to allow them to hit targets at much greater ranges than 5km (presumably beyond 10km).

    But this is different from inertial guidance , i mean it's a free fall but it's previously calculated , the bomb it self neither navigate nor have any flight correction ways like inertial guidance
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    Post  Isos on Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:42 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:very cost control way with a cheap bombs against terrorists
    MOD has invested heavily in to inertial guidance, and has applied said technology to just about everything. The new GLATGM's being introduced for Russian MBT's will have inertial guidance integration, to allow them to hit targets at much greater ranges than 5km (presumably beyond 10km).

    But this is different from inertial guidance , i mean it's a free fall but it's previously calculated , the bomb it self neither navigate nor have any flight correction ways like inertial guidance

    The guidance is in the aircraft and is reusable. That's what make it cheap solution.

    But the drawback is that it is pretty useless against moving targets like tanks. They will use it against only static targets. That's why they are developing many guided bombs/missiles like the newest kab-250 which is laser guided but also smaller than kab-500 reducing the price. Because it is guided a 250kg or even a 100-150kg will be enough against 100% of the targets they will find on the front. Kab-500 and bigger are used for wider targets like camp or tank groups but then 2 or 3 free fall fab 500 used with SVP 24 do the job for cheaper.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:37 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Green for us says Erdogan. No way Jose says Syria.

    Map is well obsolete.  Doesn't show any of the recent SAA gains in Turkorat Idlibistan.

    I know, that was not the point I was making in what I wrote.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:58 pm

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:46 am

    There has been a lot said in the west about laser guided bomb kits where a laser sensor and manouvering portion is attached to a standard old iron bomb and tail fins are attached to make it a guided bomb... the problem is that while it helps use up old bombs it is not actually cheap because the seeker and guidance and manouvering components are expensive... however what they do is change an iron bomb from something that needs to be carried in enormous numbers by large numbers of aircraft per target to be sure of a hit, into a bomb that can be carried by a single aircraft and delivered with a good confidence of a hit on the first try... which actually makes it cheaper than dumb bombs because using dozens of aircraft and hundreds of dumb bombs is actually expensive too.

    Being able to use existing dumb bombs of any type accurately enough to actually hit targets is an enormously potent capability... lots of targets in previous HATO conflicts were only damaged or not hit at all because there were not enough guided weapons available for the job... this system means existing old cheap bombs can be used, but it also means brand new cheap simple bombs can also be produced as well.

    It has drawbacks... it is little use against moving targets, and in high winds near ground level I would expect precision performance would be negatively effected, but this is a day night all weather capable system... heavy fog... sand storm... monsoon rain... things that effect laser guidance and even GPS guidance wont effect these bombs, though observing the effects and deciding on follow up attacks might be problematic if you have to drop a bridge you can do so without seeing it... a Tu-22M3 with an FAB-5000 or FAB-9000 hitting a bunker complex would be a sight to see indeed...

    Such systems applied to a CAS aircraft like an Su-25 would not only improve free flight bombing performance, but also free flight unguided rocket performance too... it was found with the upgraded versions of the Hind that laser range finders and ballistic computers dramatically improved the accuracy and effective range of unguided rockets of all types from the platform and cannon fire was improved in accuracy as well.

    Fighting smart is saving money while still enjoying precision accuracy to get the job done first time.

    Edit: Even when fighting terrorist enemies blatantly being supported by the west...
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:57 pm

    Isos wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:very cost control way with a cheap bombs against terrorists
    MOD has invested heavily in to inertial guidance, and has applied said technology to just about everything. The new GLATGM's being introduced for Russian MBT's will have inertial guidance integration, to allow them to hit targets at much greater ranges than 5km (presumably beyond 10km).

    But this is different from inertial guidance , i mean it's a free fall but it's previously calculated , the bomb it self neither navigate nor have any flight correction ways like inertial guidance

    The guidance is in the aircraft and is reusable. That's what make it cheap solution.

    But the drawback is that it is pretty useless against moving targets like tanks. They will use it against only static targets. That's why they are developing many guided bombs/missiles like the newest kab-250 which is laser guided but also smaller than kab-500 reducing the price. Because it is guided a 250kg or even a 100-150kg will be enough against 100% of the targets they will find on the front. Kab-500 and bigger are used for wider targets like camp or tank groups but then 2 or 3 free fall fab 500 used with SVP 24 do the job for cheaper.

    Can SVP-24 target in a good accuracy above the MANPAD effective range ?
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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:21 pm

    Can SVP-24 target in a good accuracy above the MANPAD effective range ?

    Probably. Manpad have a very short range around 6km and can't hit very high around 3-4km. I doubt you can lock on a aircraft at max range anyway. SVP shoulf be usavle above 5km.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:24 am

    The whole purpose of the bombing system is to allow level bombing above the effective altitude range of manpads and small arms fire...

    Technically you could fit the system to a transport plane and adapt it with some sort of bomb thrower that hangs out the back of the plane in flight.

    Imagine an IL-476 with a conveyer rack mechanism that holds hundreds of 100kg and 250kg bombs... in flight you open the rear doors and extend this mechanism out so that bombs in the rack can be moved down the rack system to the extreme rear past the open rear doors so when they are released they drop straight down... the next row of bombs can then be moved back and also released... assuming the rack and mechanism weighs 10-15 tons you could put 40-50 tons of bombs in each aircraft which could be rolled on to the aircraft and strapped in fairly easily.

    With the accuracy of these aiming systems you could have special racks with bigger bombs... imagine an FAB-5000 bomb with a CEP of 5 metres... a 5 ton bomb landing within 5 metres of its point of aim to level an entire city block or destroy seriously heavy structures... and even more... how about four of them... or four FAB-9000s?

    Of course very few targets would warrant such heavy weight bombs, but there are plenty of uses for FAB-1000, FAB-1500, and FAB-3000 bombs... and why not use an An-124 as the transport bomber?

    Of course most of the time range is just as important as payload... especially when you can achieve a level of accuracy that means enormous numbers of bombs are no longer needed.

    You could carry FAB-100 bombs and monitor their accuracy to compensate for ground winds to make delivery of the bigger bombs more accurate... for a plane like an Il-114 or An-12 equivalent you could combine half payload of bombs and half of extra fuel to extend flight range and loiter time... for the An-12 that means 10 tons of extra fuel and 10 tons of bombs which should give it comparable range and payload as the Tu-22M3...

    With internal bombs you don't need to worry about symmetrical bomb loads or asymmetric drag and just use one bomb at a time for each target.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:23 pm


    Russian army in Syria Base Khmeimim Part 1

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:57 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
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    At 7min or so quite a loadout of AAM on the Su-30SM with its bombs. Sending a message to someone.

    At 9 min or so, so that's what is on all those Syrian Express ships Laughing

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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:13 pm

    Part 2 the girl is making ice cream at 21:10 Very Happy

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:03 pm

    Stand back and watch them kill each other. If there were soldiers inside then Erdogan is going to be pretty pissed off.

    At the Russians of course for not giving way hence allowing these incidents to happen Laughing


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    Russian Ministry of Defense: Terrorists blew up 2 military armored cars belonging to Turkish forces in Syria's Idleb area
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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:27 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Stand back and watch them kill each other. If there were soldiers inside then Erdogan is going to be pretty pissed off.

    At the Russians of course for not giving way hence allowing these incidents to happen  Laughing


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    Russian Ministry of Defense: Terrorists blew up 2 military armored cars belonging to Turkish forces in Syria's Idleb area

    Or may be the intelligence is playing there Very Happy

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:56 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Stand back and watch them kill each other. If there were soldiers inside then Erdogan is going to be pretty pissed off.

    At the Russians of course for not giving way hence allowing these incidents to happen  Laughing


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    Russian Ministry of Defense: Terrorists blew up 2 military armored cars belonging to Turkish forces in Syria's Idleb area

    Or may be the intelligence is playing there Very Happy


    Russian MOD is getting their point across to Turdogan, that jihadists aren't people you should befriend. Wait till they start beheading Turkish soldiers, like they're preparing a Turkey roast.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:05 pm

    Part 2 the girl is making ice cream at 21:10

    Nice vids Ahmedfire... the huge white external fuel tanks the narrator walks past just after getting his icecream are for the Su-24s... they don't look that big mounted on the planes but they are huge when this guy walks past them... of course he is not the biggest guy around...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:50 pm

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    Look at the laughable/despicable propaganda of "Russian Occupation", Ru MOD specifically asked if the Syrian govt. requested help....but the same twats on Twatter would call ISIS/ISIL VBIED's mobile hospitals to defecate a narrative that works for them! Razz
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    Post  ahmedfire on Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:25 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Part 2 the girl is making ice cream at 21:10

    Nice vids Ahmedfire... the huge white external fuel tanks the narrator walks past just after getting his icecream are for the Su-24s... they don't look that big mounted on the planes but they are huge when this guy walks past them... of course he is not the biggest guy around...

    This guy can fight ISIS alone lol1

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:18 am

    He is looking at that icecream the way I am looking at that girl... Embarassed
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:16 am


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    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:24 am

    Shouldn´t the turkish call it "Smaller Idlib" now?
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    Post  Isos on Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:24 am

    If coronavirus hits Turkey like it did to Italians, SAA may take advantage and destroy rebel positions and take all that land.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:49 am

    Yes, it is a T-72 Laughing

    Might not cut it on a parade ground or Red Square but it seems to work. Function over form is the phrase.


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    Its name - “Adra” - this modification received in honor of the city located next to Damascus. According to some reports, it was developed and completely executed by the Syrians themselves. They are equipped with additional boxes with filler and trellised anti-cumulative screens



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