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    Post  limb Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:20 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Any news on Altius drone? That thing took forever.

    Agree. Instead of having the sirius have its first flight in 2023-2025, they should be intensively building altius drones.

    Btw I believe Russia would never use iranian drones because of:
    1. Pride
    2. Israel would send Ukraine weapons if Iran sent weapons to Russia.
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    Post  Isos Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:12 pm

    limb wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:Any news on Altius drone? That thing took forever.

    Agree. Instead of having the sirius have its first flight in 2023-2025, they should be intensively building altius drones.

    Btw I believe Russia would never use iranian drones because of:
    1. Pride
    2. Israel would send Ukraine weapons if Iran sent weapons to Russia.

    1 I agree but I would add they want russian made equipment since they saw how easy its is for anothzr coubtry to stop supplies with the french carriers or ukrainian sub contractor firms that stopped providing technology after maidan coup.

    2 not really. It's if Russia sends weapons to Iran that can push israel to send weapons to ukraine. And we are talking about state of art weapons not drones or transport aircraft.

    If Iran send to Russia they wouldn't care.
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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:01 pm

    Altius had a lot of problems with various things. Firstly" problems with engine and also money for development was embezzled by head of Sokol factory.
    I'm not even sure if production of VK-800 is going as planned. That engine was created a while back, but then they stopped the program.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:03 pm

    The main delay for most of their new larger drones is for the same reason there is a delay in their transport aircraft... engines.

    The engines MALE and HALE drones would use are in the light aircraft weight range of lead in fighter trainers and light helicopters that during the Cold War they outsourced to WP countries.

    These engines are getting close to serial production however so it is only a matter of time.

    And I doubt Israel would get upset at Iran selling drones to Russia... they will be more likely upset at Russia selling Su-35s to Iran...

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:The main delay for most of their new larger drones is for the same reason there is a delay in their transport aircraft... engines.

    The engines MALE and HALE drones would use are in the light aircraft weight range of lead in fighter trainers and light helicopters that during the Cold War they outsourced to WP countries.

    These engines are getting close to serial production however so it is only a matter of time.

    And I doubt Israel would get upset at Iran selling drones to Russia... they will be more likely upset at Russia selling Su-35s to Iran...
    We are talking about Altius here. Director general stole 900 million rubles. As for the engine, whole project was stopped in 2005 when they decided to go with French engines, if i remember correctly. Official explanation was lack of funding.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:50 am

    New Orion drone with on-board radar passes flight tests

    Specialists of JSC "Kronshtadt" are working on equipping drones with an electronic warfare system
    PATRIOT PARK / Moscow region/, August 18. /tass/. Kronshtadt is conducting flight tests of the Orion unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) with a radar station on board. This was reported to TASS by the press service of the enterprise at the Army-2022 forum.

    "Indeed, the onboard radar station is one of the intended target loads. At the moment, this UAV is at the stage of flight tests, " the press service said in response to a question about the stage of the Orion project in the version with an on-board radar.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15499779

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    Post  LMFS Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:25 pm

    UAV "Sirius" tested as part of the reconnaissance and strike circuit with manned aircraft

    The UAVs worked as part of reconnaissance and strike contours, where the complex with UAVs acts as a scout and operational strike tool for detected ground and surface objects.
    PATRIOT PARK / Moscow region/, August 19 /TASS/. Tests on the use of Sirius and Orion drones as part of a reconnaissance and strike circuit with manned aircraft were completed. This was reported to TASS in the press service of the company "Kronshtadt" in the framework of the forum "Army-2022".

    "Our unmanned aerial vehicles, both Sirius and Orion, have the ability to work as part of a reconnaissance and strike circuit with manned aircraft. Tests have already been conducted, " the press service said.

    The ability to interact with manned aircraft means joint work as part of reconnaissance and strike contours, where a complex with a UAV acts as a scout and operational strike tool for ground and surface objects detected by it. Manned aircraft act primarily as a strike vehicle against targets detected by the drone.

    Earlier it was reported that serial deliveries of new Sirius drones to the troops will begin in 2023.

    "Sirius "(experimental design work "Pacer-RU") is a further development of the Orion UAVs, has two engines and an increased take-off weight. Sirius will be mass-produced at the first specialized plant for the production of large-size UAVs built by Kronstadt in Dubna (a science city in the Moscow region).

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15510863

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    Post  Kiko Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:55 pm

    The first drones with domestic thermal imagers were created in Russia, 08.19.2022.

    The first drones with domestic UAV400T thermal imagers are already being used in a special operation.

    The first drone with a domestic thermal imager UAV400T was created in Russia and is already being supplied to the Russian army for reconnaissance and artillery adjustment in the zone of military operations in Ukraine, Alexander Bubnov, a representative of the Astron design bureau, the company that produces these drones, told RIA Novosti.

    For the first time, these copters were shown to the public at the Army-2022 military-technical forum in Kubinka near Moscow.

    Bubnov noted that Astron is the only domestic manufacturer of television modules and detectors working in this area. The KB began its activities in this area after the imposition of sanctions in 2014.

    “In connection with a military special operation, the state customer needed a domestic thermal imager for drones. In fact, our UAV400T is a flying thermal imager, which is used, among other things, for reconnaissance and target designation of artillery. The product is already being serially supplied to the Armed Forces and is used in the SVO,” he said.

    According to the interlocutor of the agency, by the end of the year, Astron will produce a thousand "flying thermal imagers" for the army, in general, the plant's capacity allows the production of more than 5,000 such copters a year.

    UAV400T "sees" enemy manpower and equipment at a distance of up to 400 meters, the duration of the drone flight is 45 minutes, the flight altitude is up to three kilometers, the takeoff weight is 1.2 kilograms.

    Bubnov stressed that, unlike the Chinese Mavic copters, which volunteers purchased for the needs of the DPR and LPR militia , the Astron-developed drone has secure communication channels: it cannot be hacked, intercepted and "understand where it flew from."

    https://ria.ru/20220819/dron-1810660114.html

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:45 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The main delay for most of their new larger drones is for the same reason there is a delay in their transport aircraft... engines.

    The engines MALE and HALE drones would use are in the light aircraft weight range of lead in fighter trainers and light helicopters that during the Cold War they outsourced to WP countries.

    These engines are getting close to serial production however so it is only a matter of time.

    And I doubt Israel would get upset at Iran selling drones to Russia... they will be more likely upset at Russia selling Su-35s to Iran...
    We are talking about Altius here. Director general stole 900 million rubles. As for the engine, whole project was stopped in 2005 when they decided to go with French engines, if i remember correctly. Official explanation was lack of funding.
    If the engine is the VK800s it is the same engine that should go on the Baikal and on the russianized Let410
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    Post  limb Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:43 pm

    Kiko wrote:The first drones with domestic thermal imagers were created in Russia, 08.19.2022.

    The first drones with domestic UAV400T thermal imagers are already being used in a special operation.

    The first drone with a domestic thermal imager UAV400T was created in Russia and is already being supplied to the Russian army for reconnaissance and artillery adjustment in the zone of military operations in Ukraine, Alexander Bubnov, a representative of the Astron design bureau, the company that produces these drones, told RIA Novosti.

    For the first time, these copters were shown to the public at the Army-2022 military-technical forum in Kubinka near Moscow.

    Bubnov noted that Astron is the only domestic manufacturer of television modules and detectors working in this area. The KB began its activities in this area after the imposition of sanctions in 2014.

    “In connection with a military special operation, the state customer needed a domestic thermal imager for drones. In fact, our UAV400T is a flying thermal imager, which is used, among other things, for reconnaissance and target designation of artillery. The product is already being serially supplied to the Armed Forces and is used in the SVO,” he said.

    According to the interlocutor of the agency, by the end of the year, Astron will produce a thousand "flying thermal imagers" for the army, in general, the plant's capacity allows the production of more than 5,000 such copters a year.

    UAV400T "sees" enemy manpower and equipment at a distance of up to 400 meters, the duration of the drone flight is 45 minutes, the flight altitude is up to three kilometers, the takeoff weight is 1.2 kilograms.

    Bubnov stressed that, unlike the Chinese Mavic copters, which volunteers purchased for the needs of the DPR and LPR militia , the Astron-developed drone has secure communication channels: it cannot be hacked, intercepted and "understand where it flew from."

    https://ria.ru/20220819/dron-1810660114.html

    WTF, only noow Russia can produce domestic FLIR? angry angry angry angry angry This is cringeworthy. This means that Ka-52 and Mi-28 all have imported FLIR. So much for import substitution.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:33 pm

    limb wrote:
    Kiko wrote:The first drones with domestic thermal imagers were created in Russia, 08.19.2022.

    The first drones with domestic UAV400T thermal imagers are already being used in a special operation.

    The first drone with a domestic thermal imager UAV400T was created in Russia and is already being supplied to the Russian army for reconnaissance and artillery adjustment in the zone of military operations in Ukraine, Alexander Bubnov, a representative of the Astron design bureau, the company that produces these drones, told RIA Novosti.

    For the first time, these copters were shown to the public at the Army-2022 military-technical forum in Kubinka near Moscow.

    Bubnov noted that Astron is the only domestic manufacturer of television modules and detectors working in this area. The KB began its activities in this area after the imposition of sanctions in 2014.

    “In connection with a military special operation, the state customer needed a domestic thermal imager for drones. In fact, our UAV400T is a flying thermal imager, which is used, among other things, for reconnaissance and target designation of artillery. The product is already being serially supplied to the Armed Forces and is used in the SVO,” he said.

    According to the interlocutor of the agency, by the end of the year, Astron will produce a thousand "flying thermal imagers" for the army, in general, the plant's capacity allows the production of more than 5,000 such copters a year.

    UAV400T "sees" enemy manpower and equipment at a distance of up to 400 meters, the duration of the drone flight is 45 minutes, the flight altitude is up to three kilometers, the takeoff weight is 1.2 kilograms.

    Bubnov stressed that, unlike the Chinese Mavic copters, which volunteers purchased for the needs of the DPR and LPR militia , the Astron-developed drone has secure communication channels: it cannot be hacked, intercepted and "understand where it flew from."

    https://ria.ru/20220819/dron-1810660114.html

    WTF, only noow Russia can produce domestic FLIR? angry  angry  angry  angry  angry  This is cringeworthy. This means that Ka-52 and Mi-28 all have imported FLIR. So much for import substitution.

    You aren't very smart.

    Russia had been using Irbis K (not called this for long time but the microbolometer is the same) thermal imagers for years for their copters and planes.  These are micro cameras they speak of on quadrocopters which require non liquid cooling microbolometers and thus passive cooling. Passive cooling microbolometers which are used in thermal imaging scopes and alike was only created last year I believe. All coming from Cyclone plant (UOMZ).  Same microbolometers used in tanks T-72, T80, T90 and Armata, helicopters, etc use liquid cooling microbolometers and are significantly more powerful.

    Updated

    I was wrong, uncooled microbolometers by Orion company came out in 2019.


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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:03 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    If the engine is the VK800s it is the same engine that should go on the Baikal and on the russianized Let410
    Yes i know. I just pointed to the fact that engine development was stopped in the past and they decided to go with French engines. It is one of the reasons Altius development is going so slow.
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    Post  limb Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:55 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    limb wrote:
    Kiko wrote:The first drones with domestic thermal imagers were created in Russia, 08.19.2022.

    The first drones with domestic UAV400T thermal imagers are already being used in a special operation.

    The first drone with a domestic thermal imager UAV400T was created in Russia and is already being supplied to the Russian army for reconnaissance and artillery adjustment in the zone of military operations in Ukraine, Alexander Bubnov, a representative of the Astron design bureau, the company that produces these drones, told RIA Novosti.

    For the first time, these copters were shown to the public at the Army-2022 military-technical forum in Kubinka near Moscow.

    Bubnov noted that Astron is the only domestic manufacturer of television modules and detectors working in this area. The KB began its activities in this area after the imposition of sanctions in 2014.

    “In connection with a military special operation, the state customer needed a domestic thermal imager for drones. In fact, our UAV400T is a flying thermal imager, which is used, among other things, for reconnaissance and target designation of artillery. The product is already being serially supplied to the Armed Forces and is used in the SVO,” he said.

    According to the interlocutor of the agency, by the end of the year, Astron will produce a thousand "flying thermal imagers" for the army, in general, the plant's capacity allows the production of more than 5,000 such copters a year.

    UAV400T "sees" enemy manpower and equipment at a distance of up to 400 meters, the duration of the drone flight is 45 minutes, the flight altitude is up to three kilometers, the takeoff weight is 1.2 kilograms.

    Bubnov stressed that, unlike the Chinese Mavic copters, which volunteers purchased for the needs of the DPR and LPR militia , the Astron-developed drone has secure communication channels: it cannot be hacked, intercepted and "understand where it flew from."

    https://ria.ru/20220819/dron-1810660114.html

    WTF, only noow Russia can produce domestic FLIR? angry  angry  angry  angry  angry  This is cringeworthy. This means that Ka-52 and Mi-28 all have imported FLIR. So much for import substitution.

    You aren't very smart.

    Russia had been using Irbis K (not called this for long time but the microbolometer is the same) thermal imagers for years for their copters and planes.  These are micro cameras they speak of on quadrocopters which require non liquid cooling microbolometers and thus passive cooling. Passive cooling microbolometers which are used in thermal imaging scopes and alike was only created last year I believe. All coming from Cyclone plant (UOMZ).  Same microbolometers used in tanks T-72, T80, T90 and Armata, helicopters, etc use liquid cooling microbolometers and are significantly more powerful.

    Updated

    I was wrong, uncooled microbolometers by Orion company came out in 2019.

    I didnt read that tjis only pertained to quadcopters. Thats a relief. Now lets hope russian quadcopters have laser designators for guided rounds.

    Regarding the vk-800, this still makes me feel rageful , because that engine is vital for the Russian civil aviation.

    Its of course horrifying that the altius is a dead end boondoggle.  If you fail miserably at mass producing twin engined MALE UAV,  your pride is a heap of pig ****, and youre allowing russian soldiers to die out of a misguided sense of superiority.

    Theres nothing shameful in buyingcertain classes of military equipment from allied as a regional power.Russia is stretched thin, so you cant habe everything. By the Russian MoDrefusing to buy Iranian drones out of pride and  to save face,we're seeing the same retardation the axis had by refusing to massively help each other with military hardware.

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    Post  thegopnik Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:24 am

    https://fomag.ru/news-streem/rostekh-predstavil-na-forume-armiya-2022-elektrodvigatel-dlya-bespilotnikov/?ysclid=l7119sp66w312172490

    MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. Roselectronics Holding of rostec State Corporation presented a synchronous electric motor of a wide range of applications at the Army-2022 forum. This was reported by the press service of the state corporation.

    "Our UAVs have proven themselves in real combat conditions. This equipment is also in demand in the civilian market. Now the industry faces a large and important task of import substitution of many components, including power plants. I am sure that the new domestic electric motor of compact size will help UAV developers in solving this problem, "the press service reports the words of the executive director of Rostec Oleg Yevtushenko.

    It is noted that due to its low weight - it is no more than 3 kg - the new engine, developed by the Kaluga Electromechanical Plant (part of Roselectronics), can be used in the creation of helicopter-type unmanned aerial vehicles.

    "To date, KEMZ produces a whole line of synchronous motors that are in demand both in the production of special equipment and in the market of civilian products. The engines presented at the forum in various modifications are already supplied to enterprises of the oil and gas sector, where they are used to control pipeline flaps, organizations in the housing and utilities sector - for elevator doors, "said Boris Movtyan, general director of KEMZ.

    Synchronous motors are also used in industrial ventilation and air conditioning systems, pneumatic systems and road transport, Rostec noted.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:41 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    If the engine is the VK800s it is the same engine that should go on the Baikal and on the russianized Let410
    Yes i know. I just pointed to the fact that engine development was stopped in the past and they decided to go with French engines. It is one of the reasons Altius development is going so slow.

    Not only because of the french. Until 2013 there was a strong pro-ucrainian lobbyism in Russian aeronautical industry.

    As an example this was one of the proposed engine for the ansat: the MV-500V from Motor sich (and they also wanted to develop a turboprop version for aircrafts).

    http://motorsich.com.ua/MS-500V

    https://www.aeroexpo.online/prod/motor-sich-jsc/product-170172-28639.html

    Of course all of this had a huge impact on funding and development for the russian klimov engines like the VK-800.

    Furthermore until 2014 most of the TV-3-117 engines (which are installed on most modern kamov and Mil helicopters) were produced in motor sich in Zaporozhye even if it was a Klimov design.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:49 pm

    WTF, only noow Russia can produce domestic FLIR? angry angry angry angry angry This is cringeworthy. This means that Ka-52 and Mi-28 all have imported FLIR. So much for import substitution.

    Your capacity to comprehend a sentence is cringe worthy...

    These are new thermal imagers, and this is the first drone to use these new thermal imagers.

    Other drones and platforms already use thermal imagers, but this is the first drone to use their new thermal imager.

    Yes i know. I just pointed to the fact that engine development was stopped in the past and they decided to go with French engines. It is one of the reasons Altius development is going so slow.

    So rather than wait for a new domestic engine to be developed they went with a commercially available engine already in production.

    The fact that the domestic engine is not ready even now suggests their choice was not bad.

    Unpatriotic, but not to a fault.


    Its of course horrifying that the altius is a dead end boondoggle.  If you fail miserably at mass producing twin engined MALE UAV,  your pride is a heap of pig ****, and youre allowing russian soldiers to die out of a misguided sense of superiority.

    Not to mention they don't have any lime flavoured fizzy drinks... could they no tell that in the future they would find lime flavoured fizzy drinks will save lives by fighting off scurvy and being a really good alternative to orange and red drinks...

    In that time they have developed and produced a lot of life saving technologies and equipment that is helping Russian soldiers do such a good job  ...you are being a pissy little bitch... they should have robot warriors they can send in to combat zones so no troops get even put at risk, but they don't so get over it.

    Theres nothing shameful in buyingcertain classes of military equipment from allied as a regional power.Russia is stretched thin, so you cant habe everything. By the Russian MoDrefusing to buy Iranian drones out of pride and  to save face,we're seeing the same retardation the axis had by refusing to massively help each other with military hardware.

    Yes, of course... you have no idea what is going on but they are guilty of pride, because obviously Iranian drones will reduce losses on the battlefield to zero... you know... the way the did in Syria for the Iranian forces... NOT.

    Furthermore until 2014 most of the TV-3-117 engines (which are installed on most modern kamov and Mil helicopters) were produced in motor sich in Zaporozhye even if it was a Klimov design.

    Yes, they could have easily funded the VK-800 and had them in service now... but all your main helicopters would be grounded because when Motor Sich cut Russia off from the engines used by their Mi-8, Mi-17, Mi-24. Mi-35, Mi-28, Ka-50,Ka-52, Ka-27, Ka-29, Ka-31, and Ka-32 helicopters, because you were more interested in engines for drones and light helicopters....

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:22 pm

    Some nice footage, but only in Russian.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:57 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    So rather than wait for a new domestic engine to be developed they went with a commercially available engine already in production.

    The fact that the domestic engine is not ready even now suggests their choice was not bad.

    Unpatriotic, but not to a fault.
     
    Garry, it seems that you were dropped on your head too many times as a baby, as you struggle with reading comprehension of your native language.
    I clearly said "one of".
    Also, VK-800 project was stopped in 2005 and development of Altius began in 2010-11.
    I wouldn't call it unpatriotic. I think treasonous is the word you were looking for.
    You give credit, where credit is due. This is, surely, not the situation.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:37 am

    Garry, it seems that you were dropped on your head too many times as a baby, as you struggle with reading comprehension of your native language.

    This is the second thread in a few minutes that I have read where members have been disrespectful... maybe I am too soft.

    I clearly said "one of".
    Also, VK-800 project was stopped in 2005 and development of Altius began in 2010-11

    Yeah, I understand English just fine, but a drone with no engine is not a drone it is a paper weight so having no engine for the drone is kind of critical... any other problems are rather less important...

    When dealing with design issues substitution for already working and already in production solutions is a normal solution practised world wide... even in countries that don't speak English, because anything they don't have now they can work on to get later if there is a need for that.

    They obviously didn't have a lot of pressure on them to get it done quicker... applying pressure now and demanding people be fired because it was not done quicker is just childish and pathetic.
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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:13 pm

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:38 pm

    I suppose that a 60mm mortar round would work much better than that Laughing
    But not sure if you have seen how they attached a hand granades to the commercial quadrocopters? Very Happy
    They put it inside a glass or jar. When dropped, it broke, and puff!

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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 21, 2022 4:20 pm

    As we have seen from an Orc video attaching a grenade with its pin removed to a UAV is dangerous if the grenade is not properly attached to the UAV.

    For those that didn't see that there was a video of some Orcs attaching hand grenades like those above to a drone but obviously they don't work properly if you leave the pins in so before launching the drone the Pins were removed but the grenade was supposed to be held in place so the handle was not released and they didn't go off.

    The handle got released and everyone ran and the video ended.

    In this image if you look carefully there is a central structure that holds the grenades in place and an outer structure that holds the handles even after the pins are released... so before launch you pull the pins on all the grenades and then launch the drone and when it releases the grenades the handles are released and after a set amount of time... boom.
    to the left of the close up picture you can see a camera mounted on the side looking down so you can actually aim where the grenades go...

    A separate camera looking down specifically for bombing should improve accuracy... bombing is complicated by calculating the trajectory of the munition with the added forward speed of the aircraft and any movement by the target as well as altitude and wind speed and direction.

    With this sort of drone the flight speed of the drone is removed from the equation, so you can hover directly over the target and then fly off to one side or the other to compensate for any strong wind and then release one grenade... watching where it hits should allow you to improve the aim for the next three grenades if you drop them on nearby targets.



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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 21, 2022 4:38 pm

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    I´m still waiting for that bay being put into service.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:06 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    If the engine is the VK800s it is the same engine that should go on the Baikal and on the russianized Let410
    Yes i know. I just pointed to the fact that engine development was stopped in the past and they decided to go with French engines. It is one of the reasons Altius development is going so slow.

    Every one of those clowns who've sabotaged the development of vital military or civilian hardware over the 8 years should be punished with mandatory sex reassignment surgery.

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