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    Post  franco Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:31 pm

    Smaller S-70 it looks like.
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    Post  dino00 Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:53 pm

    franco wrote:Smaller S-70 it looks like.

    Where?
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    Post  franco Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:22 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    franco wrote:Smaller S-70 it looks like.

    Where?

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    Post  bitcointrader70 Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm

    Not having a reliable attack UAV has been Russia’s biggest problem and actually pretty embarrassing for a modern military. It would have made Syria and eastern Ukraine much easier to handle.
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:03 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Not having a reliable attack UAV has been Russia’s biggest problem and actually pretty embarrassing for a modern military. It would have made Syria and eastern Ukraine much easier to handle.

    Turkey has them and handles nothing in Syria.

    US drones fly everyday in eastern Ukraine and they handle nothing there.

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    Post  PhSt Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:51 pm

    Russian company reveals plan for $52-mn factory to mass-produce UAVs, as drones play bigger, more vital role in military ops

    A Russian company is building the country’s first-ever specialized factory solely for manufacturing unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). It plans to mass-produce military drones, like those deployed by the Russian Army in Syria.

    The 45,000-square-meter plant, under construction in the town of Dubna near Moscow, will cost at least four billion rubles ($52 million) and will create jobs for more than 1,500 people. If all goes to plan, it will be built in record time, with the launch of production scheduled for November 2021.

    The company, called ‘Kronshtadt Group,’ is the developer and manufacturer of the Inokhodets UAV, also known as the Orion. This medium-altitude drone, which is capable of flying for a whole day, can carry a payload of up to 200kg, and has already seen action in the Middle East.

    In Syria, the Inokhodets has been used to strike terrorist targets from Islamic State. Russia has been involved in the Syrian Civil War since 2015, when it was invited by the Damascus government, led by President Bashar Assad, to help fight against insurgency in the country. In the years since Moscow’s involvement, pro-Government forces regained a lot of ground once occupied by terrorist forces.

    As well as Kronshtadt, many other Russian enterprises in the military-industrial complex are developing drones for deployment on the front lines. For example, aircraft manufacturer Sukhoi has teamed up with defense company Mikoyan to build the Okhotnik-B, which will have a top speed of 1,000 km/h. Another aerospace company, called OKB Sokol, has developed a UAV named Altius, due to be delivered to the Russian Army this year.

    On February 21, it was reported that the Inokhodets had been used in 38 missions in Syria, including 17 strikes on militant targets.

    Last year, Moscow news agency TASS revealed that over 900 Russian drones have entered into active service since 2012.

    The town chosen to host the drone factory, Dubna, is famous in Russia for being the home of the country’s Joint Institute for Nuclear Research. It is also the location of MKB Raduga, an aerospace company mainly focused on the production of missiles.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/521246-drones-vital-military-operations/

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    Post  dino00 Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:56 pm

    New images of Lancet

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    Post  LMFS Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:33 am

    The source told when the tests of the Sirius attack drone will begin."

    ​MOSCOW, 17 Apr-RIA Novosti. The creation of the first prototype of the new Russian strike unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) "Sirius" will be completed in 2022, and its flight tests will begin in the same year, a source in the military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti.
    The Sirius reconnaissance and attack UAV is being developed by the company "Kronstadt". A full-size model of the device with the alleged weapons was shown last summer at the Army-2020 exhibition.
    "Work on the creation of the first prototype of the Sirius attack drone is scheduled to be completed in 2022. In the same year, the drone will perform its first flight and the program of its flight tests will begin. The new UAV weighing 2 tons will receive a more powerful weapon system than that of the Pacer vehicles, " the source said.
    The source added that the total mass of the Sirius combat load will be 300 kilograms, the device will be able to carry guided air-to-surface missiles weighing up to 100 kilograms, as well as unguided and corrected aircraft bombs weighing from 50 to 250 kilograms.

    According to data previously published by Kronstadt, the Sirius UAV belongs to the class of medium-altitude unmanned vehicles with a long flight duration. The device will receive a take-off weight of up to 2 tons, its wingspan will be up to 23 meters, and the flight duration should reach 20 hours. The maximum flight altitude of the drone is stated at 7 thousand meters, the cruising speed of the device will be 180 kilometers per hour. "Sirius" will be equipped with two turboprop engines.

    https://ria.ru/20210417/sirius-1728674198.html

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    Post  dino00 Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:29 pm

    This should be a technology demonstrator for testing the wings, and other things

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:11 pm

    Looks like an apparent cold launching system (perhaps for MLRS) for UAV/UCAV's is being developed.

    Loitering munitions cold launch system.

    https://twitter.com/gunner_schmulke/status/1383481343355494405

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    Post  limb Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:53 pm

    What was the reason altius cant fire muntions?
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:42 am

    limb wrote:What was the reason altius cant fire muntions?

    Altus will be armed, they confirmed it
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:56 am

    Not having a reliable attack UAV has been Russia’s biggest problem and actually pretty embarrassing for a modern military. It would have made Syria and eastern Ukraine much easier to handle.

    Actually Russia has plenty of strike aircraft of all sorts of different types along with long range cruise missiles.

    Not having their own custom made murderbots is not embarassing at all, but when they do get decent ones into service watch the west scramble to demand some sort of international rules on using drones needs to be created... now that they have lost their monopoly.

    This should be a technology demonstrator for testing the wings, and other things

    What an interesting design... I wonder if the centre section can move pivoting on where it joins the wings...

    With it having propellers in the nose and tail of the body section I wonder if the body portion could be angled up at 45 degrees to generate lift as well as thrust for short takeoffs... or low speed level flights with level wings and horizontal tail but angled engines...

    Also imagine the reverse with a middle section with optics and belly mounted guns that could be angled down in flight to look and fire at ground targets without the aircraft needing to go into a dive...
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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:05 am

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    Post  George1 Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:31 pm

    The timing of the start of flight tests of the strike drone "Sirius"
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    A prototype of the Sirius strike drone, developed by the Kronstadt company in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense, will appear in 2022. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the DIC.

    The first prototype of the Sirius strike, as well as its flight tests, will begin next year, 2022, the source said. So far, nothing is known about further plans, the company does not comment on this information in any way.

    It is known that the new drone will receive a more powerful complex of weapons compared to the strike UAV "Inokhodets" (Orion), also developed by the "Kronstadt" company. On the external sling, the Sirius will be able to carry 300 kg of payload, the armament will include guided air-to-surface missiles, unguided and corrected bombs.

    The company has already shown the new drone to the military, although it was a full-size model. The show took place within the framework of the "Army -2020" exhibition. At the same time, preliminary characteristics of the drone were presented, which may change in the process of its creation. Let's hope not for the worse.

    Sirius is said to be a medium-altitude, long-range drones. Structurally, it is an aircraft of normal aerodynamic design with a thin fuselage, large straight wing and V-shaped tail. The power plant includes two turboprop engines.

    Wingspan - 23 m, length - up to 9 m. Maximum takeoff weight - 2 - 2,5 tons (preliminary), of which 1 ton is fuel. Payload - 450 kg (external sling - 300 kg). Flight altitude - 7 thousand meters, cruising speed - 180 km / h.

    In the future, "Sirius" will have to supplement the line of medium-altitude attack drones in the Russian army, which so far includes "Outpost", "Pacer" and "Altius".

    https://en.topwar.ru/182074-nazvany-sroki-nachala-letnyh-ispytanij-udarnogo-bespilotnika-sirius.html
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    Post  bitcointrader70 Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Not having a reliable attack UAV has been Russia’s biggest problem and actually pretty embarrassing for a modern military. It would have made Syria and eastern Ukraine much easier to handle.

    Actually Russia has plenty of strike aircraft of all sorts of different types along with long range cruise missiles.

    Not having their own custom made murderbots is not embarassing at all, but when they do get decent ones into service watch the west scramble to demand some sort of international rules on using drones needs to be created... now that they have lost their monopoly.

    This should be a technology demonstrator for testing the wings, and other things

    What an interesting design... I wonder if the centre section can move pivoting on where it joins the wings...

    With it having propellers in the nose and tail of the body section I wonder if the body portion could be angled up at 45 degrees to generate lift as well as thrust for short takeoffs... or low speed level flights with level wings and horizontal tail but angled engines...

    Also imagine the reverse with a middle section with optics and belly mounted guns that could be angled down in flight to look and fire at ground targets without the aircraft needing to go into a dive...
    You need murder bots for SEAD and you need murder bots to not risk your pilots lives so carelessly. Roman Filipov would still be alive if Russia had murder bots to blow up some ragheads.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:54 am

    You need murder bots for SEAD and you need murder bots to not risk your pilots lives so carelessly.

    For SEAD they have a variety of high speed anti radiation missiles that allow manned aircraft to attack radar sites beyond the range of the SAMs the west uses.

    Roman Filipov would still be alive if Russia had murder bots to blow up some ragheads.

    There is no evidence to show that drones are more effective in the CAS role than dedicated CAS aircraft.

    If you think using drones is going to lead to a casualty free conflict you are dreaming.
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    Post  medo Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:02 am

    https://vk.com/novnews?w=wall-50332460_2011154

    In the video it could be noticed, that Lancet drone use HE-FRAG warhead with proximity fuse, which activate warhead a meter or two in front of the target to increase effectivenes of the warhead. Idea to use Lancet against Bayraktars is not that bad.

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    Post  medo Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:37 am



    And on Youtube...

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:03 pm

    medo wrote:https://vk.com/novnews?w=wall-50332460_2011154

    In the video it could be noticed, that Lancet drone use HE-FRAG warhead with proximity fuse, which activate warhead a meter or two in front of the target to increase effectivenes of the warhead. Idea to use Lancet against Bayraktars is not that bad.

    The idea to be used against land and air targets has been in the works for a while.
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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:54 pm

    Wonder how much this is feasible and if it can reach TB2 at cruise/Altitude or lock on, nice idea though
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:21 pm

    Rasisuki Nebia wrote:Wonder how much this is feasible and if it can reach TB2 at cruise/Altitude or lock on, nice idea though

    The Russians have systems that can take down ICBMs mid-flight. Are you really implying taking down a glorified toy is beyond their abilities?


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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:12 pm

    A super tucano type light turboprop aircraft armed with twin MANPADS under each wing pylon could fly around for fairly long periods taking out such UCAVs... a proper airforce is the easiest solution to UAVS.

    With the extensive air defence network of radars of all types in Russia it would just be a question of selecting the method to take down that drone... an Su-25 with old obsolete AA-2 and AA-8 missiles from old stocks could be used up shooting down drones on the cheap... when old stocks run out then Igla-S missiles have proximity fuses and can shoot down drones easily enough and would be relatively cheap.

    The newest model of Kornet can hit targets at altitudes of 10km easily enough and of course TOR and Pantsir can hit targets at 15km.


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