SeigSoloyvov wrote:5. No MH17 was Shot down by the rebels but Ukraine did knowingly send the plane to their deaths hoping the rebels would shoot it down. So I will agree and say the ultimate blame rests on Kiev.
Bullshit. Putting the Iran crash aside for a minute, this MH17 crap is a propaganda claim and there is plenty of evidence to show that its just another of a long line of US/NATOista lies. Ukropi BUK were active in the area and the missile debris recovered is from a missile that has been stored in Ukro warehouse since manufacture. The Russians don't use this model anymore so the idea of a Russian BUK TEL trundling across the border, firing a single shot, and then trundling back again is FUCKING NONSENSE, despite what fabricated photo "evidence" the Banderites choose to concoct.
Ukros shot down MH17 and these lies are a pathetic attempt at diverting blame on to Russia & Ukr rebels. Add it to the long list of agitprop BS concocted by the West and pointed at Russias way (like the Skripal affair, "state sponsored" sports doping and CW use in Syria).
This MH-17 regurgitated propaganda is getting tiresome,
Allow me to clear the air here.....
We Dutchies send our 11th airborne troops to the crash site under an U.N mission to Ukraine right after the incident under an U.N mandate, where we where greeted by our new Nato Allies at the Kharkov airfield sporting a certain runic symbol in their flags and on their tanks that was popular in Germany in world war 2.
While we where asking our government this where the guys that where our new allies, The "rebels" had the common human decency to put our perished civilians into refrigerated trains in the middle of the summer.
The answer of our goverment was to board the aircraft back to the Netherlands as we could not be seen with our new "allies" holding some questionable ideologies.
while we left, here came the salvage unit from the American Airforce from Rammstein airbase to make sure to clean up the Ukie mess.
They actually mistook MH-17 for Putin's presidential plane returning from South America. We dont know how either, they just bare general simmilarities and Putin would never fly over an warzone. but after the ukrainian Su-25 hit MH-17 with an air to air missile MH-17 began identifiying itself as having an emergency and started to make a turn back to the Kiev Airport and in panic the SU-25 pilot switched to its autocannon and wrecked the cockpit in automatic fire.
The original black box had the audio recordings to prove it. Boeing technicians confirmed it themselves to us that MH-17's recordings where intact and turned back to the airport after the initial hit.
nobody here even wonder's why nobody ever saw even a moment of those black boxes?.
Some suicidal german copilot of germanwings 9525 crashes his aircraft in the ground and a few days later everyone hears the audio recordings. and MH-17 recordings just dissapear. Nobody sees here the quantum leap in logic?.
Maybe ask van der vlist transport, an heavy transport civilian transport contractor that works for the Dutch Government what secrecy contracts they had to sign to bring under 50% of MH-17 home and never tell what they saw there. Most notably all the americans going trough the wreckage to make sure that not Air to Air missile fragments are present or any irrefutable proof of 30 MM cannon shells.
how i know?, i was in charge of handling aerial logistics for our Dutch troops in mission zones. i left the service at the end of 2015. You know the Americans are full of shit when you enquire about their aircraft cargo and they are transporting "miscellaneous" back to Rammstein on their C-17's and C-5's From Ukraine.
Pick a moderator on here, and ill gladly send proof of my service in the millitary to them if you still doubt my claims and they can verify.
That means tough the one questioning me get's the same treatment and gets asked to prove their service themselves to an moderator.
This forum got great members from multiple backgrounds, but some of this Role-playing level posting is just downright childish and not worth my time. Hell, it is not worth any other people's time either.