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    Russian Railways: News

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    Post  GarryB Sun 26 Feb 2023, 10:52

    The arctic port development was all about saving europe and asia money with transport between the two regions being faster and cheaper and safer (no pirates)... but when Europe is a hostile enemy... why make exports to Europe cheaper?

    Russia expanding transport capacity to Asia can then be turned into trade between Russia and Asia and perhaps down to Iran and the Middle East, perhaps across to Africa.

    Why bother boosting trade to Europe if they are going to be such censored to Russia.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun 26 Feb 2023, 10:59

    The arctic port development was all about saving europe and asia money with transport between the two regions being faster and cheaper and safer (no pirates)... but when Europe is a hostile enemy... why make exports to Europe cheaper?

    Because it is a Chinese export to Europe.
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    Post  kvs Sun 26 Feb 2023, 15:12

    The slow down is not a permanent state and China is already starting to exert pressure on oil prices.   We live in a resource-starved
    world.   The idea that Russia will not be able to sell these resources and use them itself is not well grounded.   Also, transport
    is not just for resources, it is also for people.   The current set-up requires absurd detours that extend the trip distance by 3-4 times.
    Sure, they can all fly to the nearest city and not worry about ground transport.   We could also all be living in mansions.

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    Post  GarryB Mon 27 Feb 2023, 01:24

    The trade was between Asia and the EU but Russia was going to benefit with traffic taking goods both ways with ports for breaks and repairs and also collecting materials from the far east and far north and putting them directly on a ship to where ever needs to go... China wasn't paying for rail lines and port upgrades... Russia was... this is for Russia... if the EU doesn't want cheaper trade with the billions of consumers in Asia then Russia does not need to cooperate... currently the North Sea route goes through Russian territorial waters so ships sailing through would want to be on good terms with Russia.

    If the EU wants to go with the US Russia can oblige and let them, Russia does not need to assist trade between the EU and Asia if it is not profitable for them to do so.

    As the west keeps escalating things then relations can only get worse... I don't think Russia would invade or attack HATO states that do not pose an immediate threat to Russia but they don't have to keep selling oil and gas to them either... the west has picked its side you would imagine listening to the US or Britain or Poland, but I think a few countries don't see things in quite such black and white terms... like Hungary who depend on Russian energy now and in the future regards to gas and oil and nuclear power..., while being essentially the only gas line going to Europe that does not go through Kiev makes Turkey very much interested in staying neutral and not rocking the boat.

    Turkey is already under sanctions from its own allies in the west which must colour its world view too.

    Friends like that...

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