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    Post  Kiko Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:06 pm

    Russia to Build 1st High-Speed Train in 2027 - Company, 07.08.2024.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russia's first high-speed train will be produced in 2027, connecting Moscow and St. Petersburg, Anton Zubikhin, deputy director general at Sinara Group, told Sputnik on Monday.

    "The first electric train will be produced in 2027. It will go for certification, so that we receive a conformity certificate in 2028," he said.

    Sinara Group's rail transport branch will make 43 electric trains to service a new high-speed rail between Moscow and St. Petersburg, which is currently under construction, Zubikhin said.

    State rail company, Russian Railways, signed an agreement with Sinara for the production of two high-speed trains in April. The trains are expected to be delivered by late March 2028, according to the contract.

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20240708/russia-to-build-1st-high-speed-train-in-2027---company-1119290215.html

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:26 pm

    This seems way too quick. Did they license Chinese rail technology or something?

    Building the straight track is one thing, but you also need modern automated signaling systems, and the locomotives and cars themselves.

    Still it seems like a nice addition to Russia's transport system. It will also take away some of the pressure on the airplane industry to deliver Russian planes in time.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:26 am

    lancelot wrote:This seems way too quick. Did they license Chinese rail technology or something?

    Building the straight track is one thing, but you also need modern automated signaling systems, and the locomotives and cars themselves.

    Still it seems like a nice addition to Russia's transport system. It will also take away some of the pressure on the airplane industry to deliver Russian planes in time.

    Russian Railways: News - Page 10 A6b31d66622716548c85ff3b2d6f69a1
    All these elements are currently being developed in Russia. You don't think Rossi doesn't have that kind of technology, do you?
    The photo shows the Soviet high-speed train ER-200, with a cruising speed of 200 km/h, developed in the seventies.
    Do you really think that Russia is incapable of repeating something that existed back in the seventies?

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:33 am

    Scorpius wrote:The photo shows the Soviet high-speed train ER-200, with a cruising speed of 200 km/h, developed in the seventies.
    Do you really think that Russia is incapable of repeating something that existed back in the seventies?
    It takes a lot of time to develop this kind of technology. Especially automated signaling if you don't get it right you get train accidents. Train derailments and train collisions. This happened in Spain and in China.

    These would be 400 kph trains so like double the speed.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:32 pm

    Putin announced plans for seamless rail service from the Baltic to the Indian Ocean, 08.04.2024.

    The President congratulated railway workers on their professional holiday.

    Russia needs to rapidly expand its railway infrastructure, including the development of seamless rail links from the Baltic and the Barents Sea to the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean. This was stated by the country's President Vladimir Putin in a video address on Railway Worker's Day.

    “Our agenda includes the construction of high-speed highways in connection with the Central Transport Hub, the creation of international logistics corridors, the development of the Azov-Black Sea transport route, and the organization of the so-called seamless railway connection from the Baltic and the Barents Sea to the coast of the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean,” he said.

    The development of the industry must be carried out "at a new technological level" based on the needs of the future, creating a reserve "for decades to come," the president noted. Now the railway workers are faced with the task of further modernizing the BAM and the Trans-Siberian Railway. These highways, Putin pointed out, must operate in conjunction with the Northern Sea Route (NSR), "with such promising projects as the Northern Latitudinal Passage, with access to Arctic ports."

    Such tasks will be implemented thanks to the knowledge, experience, and focus on results of the industry's workers, the President is confident. He also thanked all railway workers for their work and dedication.

    The list of major projects that the authorities are planning to implement in the next decade, including with the involvement of private investors, includes, for example, such initiatives as the North-South, Dzhubga-Sochi, Northern Sea Route , South-West Chord, and Eastern Polygon transport corridors, for a total of over 5.6 trillion rubles, Vedomosti wrote earlier. It is also planned to launch two of the five parts of the high-speed rail network - the entire Moscow-St. Petersburg HSR and sections of the future Moscow-Yekaterinburg HSR-2. The total investment in the HSR network is estimated at 10.8 trillion rubles.

    Putin launched the construction of the Moscow-St. Petersburg high-speed railway on March 14. The new line will be 680 km long. Trains will travel at speeds of 200 to 400 km per hour, which will reduce travel time between Moscow and St. Petersburg to 2 hours 15 minutes.

    On June 6, the government approved a decree on the construction of the country's first high-speed railway between Moscow and St. Petersburg.

    https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/news/2024/08/04/1053735-planah-besshovnogo-zhd-soobscheniya

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:53 pm

    This is a fascinating thread with a lot of info that is analysed. The Poster know his stuff. This is the conclusion.

    https://x.com/Prune602/status/1820237131148673325

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    ‼ Russian Railways Loading is in decline

    It’s worse than during 2020 and it’s likely worse than you might think.

    Let me explain…


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    Could be locos failing after bad maintenance since it was privatised in 2013 or maybe https://www.railway.supply/en/there-is-a-shortage-of-bearings-for-wagons-of-russian-railways/

    Also note that this came out today. Prune60's comment is that it is something else. The Sushko poster is Ukrainian!

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    🚨 Russian Railways deputy head Sergei Kobzev told his subordinates the situation is critical: complete collapse of the entire railroad network in Russia could happen in days.
    Railroad chiefs ordered to work to the limit and threatened with dismissal and execution for failure.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:39 pm

    Why are you posting such stupid garbage?

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    Post  kvs Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:54 pm

    Sushko an Ukr name. Frothing at the mouth cope, projection and delusional masturbation from Ukr clowns.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:58 pm

    Especially since Russia only recently finished and expanding BAM. They also received plenty of new diesel electric railway cars.

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    Post  Broski Mon Aug 05, 2024 11:32 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Especially since Russia only recently finished and expanding BAM. They also received plenty of new diesel electric railway cars.
    Nyet blyat, nyet! Comrade, the rail network is days away from collapsing, soon no more supplies for terrorist invaders! You know what this means? F-16's will bomb Moscow! Orcs will flee sacred lands of Bandera! Zelensky the Magnificent will give press conferences from Crimea! Putin will be overthrown and executed for crimes against our heroic Nazis! 

    PEREMOGA!!! Slava Ukraini! Glory to хрюшки!

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:01 am

    Railroad chiefs ordered to work to the limit and threatened with dismissal and execution for failure.

    Very disappointed they were so vague and did not clearly state that Putin would execute those Chiefs that failed personally with a very blunt ax that will take a dozen swings to take their heads right off.

    This is the level the west has sunk to, and they can't admit the truth because that would mean they were wrong and they would rather be accepting bullshit like this than face the reality that they got everything wrong and the things Russia were saying was right and the things Ukraine was claiming was bullshit.

    Now it is pretty obvious who is right and who is wrong but they continue to support Kiev... even though it is literally destroying the country and eliminating a generation of men from the population.

    Now some men might think this is fantastic... Ukrainian brides will be cheap and plentiful... I might get three or four... but these are women that stood by and did nothing as their men went to the front line and died in a pointless conflict against a country you have rather more in common with than you ever had with the UK and US and EU... who have been trying to murder you all for the last half millenium.

    Will be interesting to see what their attitude will be when they wake up from the American dream and realise it was never going to happen anyway... wake up Mr Freeman and smell the ashes... sorry... more like wake up Ms Freeman because Mr Freeman died on the eastern front fighting the Russians...

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:39 am

    I did say that Susko is Ukrainian. So ignore that part of the post but he has now uploaded an audio.

    Are the analytical posts of Prune60 being disputed? They seem to be based on official RR data. 

    These are Prune's latest comments, as he says he doesn't know what the Susko clain is based on.

    https://x.com/Prune602/status/1820539506774433809
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    Post  kvs Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:07 pm

    I don't see any analysis at the link. All I see is quoted BS from Sushko.

    Why would there be a catastrophic collapse? If it was so bad, it would have happened at any time over the last 20 years and in fact, the Russian
    railway system would just have kept decaying after the 1990s. Like Ukria's. New rolling stock has been in ample evidence but we are supposed to
    buy that it is all falling apart. GTFO.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:44 pm

    After the comment about the execution of people not meeting milestones and goals I didn't bother to read anything else.

    I mean if you quote one bit of bullshit then why would I think there is anything useful in there at all.

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:44 pm

    Since our dear "Russian patriots", that mostly live in rhe West, can't be bothered to go through a simple twitter thread, I'll post here two most important charts:

    Russian Railways loading:

    Russian Railways: News - Page 10 Gulibi10

    Monthly loading:

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    There's more data in the thread, but these are two most interesting data points.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:30 pm

    And for the Russia weak morons here (caveat) can't understand is: even during earlier parts of the war, goods was still traveling back and forth from Europe and China via Russia.

    So now Russia cannot so rail freight reduction was clearly gonna happen eventually. What's funny, out of the actual numbers, the drop isn't really bad at all. As economic development happens and new routes are created especially Southern direction towards Iran and surrounding, freight will pick up.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:37 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
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    no idea why you're posting your daily dick measurements here...

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    Post  lancelot Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:54 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Since our dear "Russian patriots", that mostly live in rhe West,  can't be bothered to go through a simple twitter thread, I'll post here two most important charts:
    ...
    There's more data in the thread, but these are two most interesting data points.
    Look at the claimed monthly loading in the table for April for example. 101.7 in 2024 vs 100.8 in 2020. Except the chart does not look anything like that. If you look at the chart you would assume that April 2024 had less cargo transported than April 2020. When the opposite is true.

    That chart is totally bogus. Those datapoints are basically the average load per day since the beginning of the year. They are not representative of monthly loading, nor are they representative of daily loading in that month. No one in their right mind would generate a chart like that.

    The chart also makes any minute difference seem larger than it is because the chart vertical axis does not start at zero.

    As always, to spot the lie, look at the absolute values. Freight went down by like 10% or less from peak.

    Russia increased the rail freight rates so it is hardly surprising that the volume went down. Improve road transport via highway in St. Petersburg - Moscow and Moscow - Kazan might also have further decreased rail freight.


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    Post  kvs Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:12 pm

    "Everyone" knows that Russia is totally dependent on U-rope for its economic existence. lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:13 pm

    sepheronx wrote:And for the Russia weak morons here (caveat) can't understand is: even during earlier parts of the war, goods was still traveling back and forth from Europe and China via Russia.

    So now Russia cannot so rail freight reduction was clearly gonna happen eventually.  What's funny, out of the actual numbers, the drop isn't really bad at all.  As economic development happens and new routes are created especially Southern direction towards Iran and surrounding, freight will pick up.

    Pajeet, my son try to relax a bit. Charts were taken out from the twitter  thread that John posted and for which he was thoroughly attacked by the familiar faces here.
    You better continue to master doing number 2 in designated places in your lovely Bharat. 😘
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    Post  lancelot Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:19 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Pajeet, my son try to relax a bit. Charts were taken out from the twitter  thread that John posted and for which he was thoroughly attacked by the familiar faces here.
    You better continue to master doing number 2 in designated places in your lovely Bharat. 😘
    You are an idiot. Railway freight in Russia had been at historically high values over the past years. So what if it dropped a little since basically an all time high?

    You are the one fellating Ukrainian/Western talking points.

    Sure there were some issues. Some locomotives bought from GE had to be pulled out in the BAM. Ball bearings which used to use imported components had to stop being used. But those issues happened like two years ago. Enough countermeasures were done that there was no major impact and in fact the railway loading increased over what it used to carry.

    Replacement Russian locomotives and ball bearings were put into place. In some cases trains had to move slightly slower. Simple as that.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:47 pm

    Not even a pajeet, so our resident caveat the brain dead cant even get my ethnicity right.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:49 am

    On a more positive note it seems Russia is going to tackle the issue of high speed train links from Moscow to St Petersberg by itself. Germany is no longer a viable option and I think the Chinese were expecting a cut of the pie, but as Russia will likely want to expand this high speed rail link throughout its territory eventually it clearly has decided that if it can't buy the technology from China it will develop it for itself because it is going to be used quite a bit and therefore is worth the investment to get optimised solutions that suit Russia and Russian conditions.

    It would also be a useful export item for allies wanting to improve their rail networks too.

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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:33 pm

    This should be a no-brainer for Russia. The biggest country on the planet not having its own rail tech is retarded. Utter banana republic style policy. Russia has the
    scientific and engineering depth and has worked on high speed rail projects before. It does not need reverse engineer the Siemens trains. It needs focus.

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    Post  Firebird Wed Aug 14, 2024 2:08 pm

    My random idea to compliment rail freight/travel across Russia's vast expanses:-

    Huge airships.
    Ok but "strong winds will **** them up" u say.

    Simple, cover the skin with very small ultralightweight wind power generators.
    It wouldn't be something stupid like "windmills". They could be a variation on the bladeless generators.
    Extra power could be from traditional methods or via solar panels on the skin.

    Extreme winds? Make them semi-collapsable.

    Airships would also be good to transport military equipment between regions.
    Or high up as early warning radar stations.

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