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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #28

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:17 pm

    They r not able to learn from their mistakes in Donbass:
    https://russian.rt.com/ussr/article/809419-vengriya-ukraina-zakarpatie-sbu-nacmenshinstva

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:32 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys that is from a January PR video. The S-300P element was filmed over the Khelmentskiy oblast.

    Do you have the link to the video?

    Yeah, those pics would be bs simply because I don't think Russia would place the S-300 right at the borders or even a few km away from the border, especially given its range.

    That drone would have to have been flying in Russian territory and it would have been shot down pretty fast

    https://youtu.be/qe4c_obBFVs

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    Post  LMFS Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:24 pm

    Farewell to “Ukroboronprom”

    The new head of the concern announced its liquidation

    The Ukrainian authorities decided to put an end to the state concern “Ukroboronprom“ under the noble pretext of reform. According to the company’s Director-General Yury Gusev, the concern will order a long life in 2021.

    “It is planned that next year ‘Ukroboronprom’ will cease to exist. New holding companies will be created that will work according to the principles of corporate governance and transparency to ensure that any corruption or other risks are avoided,” Gusev said at a press conference on December 3rd.

    Previously, out of 137 enterprises that are still struggling to survive (most of them without orders and with debts to pay salaries to employees), 65 plants will be left, and the rest will be closed. As for the “lucky ones”, they will be distributed to the sales offices of the remaining Ukrainian strategic property, the so-called holdings with “minimal interference in their economic activities”.

    For example, it is planned to create a holding company named “Defence systems of Ukraine” (aircraft repair, armoured vehicles, ammunition, marine systems, etc.) and an aerospace holding company (aviation, engines, etc.). And tellingly, each holding will have its own supervisory board, consisting mainly of foreign gurus on high salaries. In other words, the previously sent Cossacks grazed in the same supervisory board, and with the reform there will be much more places at the trough for new “specialists”. All of this does not interfere with stuffing Ukrainian citizens with fresh promises of industrial achievements that will literally cover the country, just given them time.

    Moreover, the main priority, as Gusev said, is to provide the Ukrainian army with high-quality and modern weapons. They say that the holdings will still show what they are capable of. And foreign customers will line up in a long queue for Ukrainian “Oplot”, “Neptun”, “Olkha”, armoured personnel carriers (components for them in the form of a tracked belt, however, are proudly ordered through the NATO agency for support and procurement for the needs of the UAF), engines and radar systems.

    And so that the people are not disturbed by the upcoming reform, today the Security Service of Ukraine organised a demonstrative search in the premises of the concern and the company “UkrSpetsEksport”. They are looking, as usual, for financial violations in order to bring to light all the corrupt officials of this hotbed, so that the population can understand why it is necessary to destroy a strategic company, and then put military factories under the hammer, etc.

    And how can we not marvel at the cynicism and impudence of the Kiev organisers of this performance. Moreover, a good cherry on the cake was Gusev himself, a character with a dark past. It is known that this gentleman has a lot of corruption schemes. Back in 2012-2013, working under the head of the State Agency for Investment and National Project Management Vladimir Kaskiv, he became famous together with the head for the scandal with the fictitious construction of a LNG terminal in the Odessa region to get gas “20% cheaper than the Russian one”. These dealers signed an agreement with a Spanish construction company, but, as it turned out, the company did not approve anything, and a signature was added by ski instructor Jordi Sarda Bonvehi. It is clear that this Spaniard had nothing to do with the construction company. The funds that were allocated by the government, disappeared in a miraculous way. Then Gusev found more than once an excellent use for his talent as a schemer. And Maidan helped him. Gusev, who, moreover, was prevented from sleeping peacefully by the threat of an audit, could not fail to support the new springboard for the start, especially since he was hanging out in the leadership centre of the Catholic University (where Maidan activists were churned out).

    In 2014, he headed the “volunteer landing force” in the Ministry of Defence, which was supposed to exercise “civilian control” over the Ministry’s expenditures and purchases. Here Gusev sat down as head of the economic activity department, and then as Deputy Minister of Defence: he was engaged in reforming the department.

    And everything would’ve been fine if an unrestrained craving for theft hadn’t acted as an obstacle this time too. In 2016, he was driven out with a fuss. The fact is that the tender committee under his control purchased gasoline for the needs of the UAF through intermediaries at an unreasonably high price. The fraudster also distinguished himself in the scandal with the purchase of housing for military personnel. Thus, 1 billion 140 million hryvnias were allocated for the purchase of 2000 apartments. But only 75 apartments were bought for the amount of 119 million, and it is not difficult to guess where the surplus went. Gusev’s list of scams, including joint operations with the country’s enterprising President, Poroshenko, can go on for a long time. At the same time, the unsinkable character did not fade into the background. During the presidential campaign, he first supported his patron with might and main, stigmatising Vladimir Zelensky, but he changed his political orientation just in time. After clearing his Facebook page of eulogies about the ghoul, he defected to the camp of the newly elected head of state.

    And there Gusev was appointed head of the Kherson region. And everything took off from there – numerous corruption scandals, the creation of a “service for happiness and improving the quality of life” (this is only possible in the advanced state of Bhutan). It is clear that Gusev’s brainchild did not exist for a long time, but it fulfilled its function and made the governor financially happy. As we know, a generous sum was allocated for the service, special positions of “managers of happiness” were created, etc.

    In other words, this young man, who was sent from the governors to the liquidators of a powerful state concern, is still knavish. Zelensky’s colleagues knew who to entrust an important task to. The main thing is that the curators like it: the magic word “reforms” is the most frequent in Gusev’s vocabulary, and his education is suitable: he studied programs at Harvard Kennedy School in 2011 and 2017.

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/farewell-to-ukroboronprom/

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    Post  franco Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:34 pm

    Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out a cleanup of the front-line areas of Donbass

    Special units of the Ukrainian police, by order of the command of the so-called "OOS", carried out a sweep of the front-line villages of the occupied Stanichno-Luhansk region of the LPR.

    This was reported by the press service of the police "Luhansk region".

    “By order of the commander of the United Forces and the chief of the GUNP (Main Directorate of the National Police - ed.) Police officers, which are part of the BS, together with the National Guard and attached police forces, conducted comprehensive preventive and preventive training in the villages of the district,” it was reported.

    The police noted that during the sweep, a 42-year-old local resident "voluntarily handed over 141 cartridges of 12.7 mm caliber to the police."

    In total, as a result of a frightening raid, 34 administrative offenses were revealed, for which the relevant materials were drawn up. In addition, during the examination of the owners of the weapons, hunting rifles were seized from 4 citizens due to violation of the storage terms.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:57 am

    LMFS wrote:Farewell to “Ukroboronprom”

    The new head of the concern announced its liquidation

    The Ukrainian authorities decided to put an end to the state concern “Ukroboronprom“ under the noble pretext of reform. According to the company’s Director-General Yury Gusev, the concern will order a long life in 2021.

    “It is planned that next year ‘Ukroboronprom’ will cease to exist. New holding companies will be created that will work according to the principles of corporate governance and transparency to ensure that any corruption or other risks are avoided,” Gusev said at a press conference on December 3rd.

    Previously, out of 137 enterprises that are still struggling to survive (most of them without orders and with debts to pay salaries to employees), 65 plants will be left, and the rest will be closed. As for the “lucky ones”, they will be distributed to the sales offices of the remaining Ukrainian strategic property, the so-called holdings with “minimal interference in their economic activities”.

    For example, it is planned to create a holding company named “Defence systems of Ukraine” (aircraft repair, armoured vehicles, ammunition, marine systems, etc.) and an aerospace holding company (aviation, engines, etc.). And tellingly, each holding will have its own supervisory board, consisting mainly of foreign gurus on high salaries. In other words, the previously sent Cossacks grazed in the same supervisory board, and with the reform there will be much more places at the trough for new “specialists”. All of this does not interfere with stuffing Ukrainian citizens with fresh promises of industrial achievements that will literally cover the country, just given them time.

    Moreover, the main priority, as Gusev said, is to provide the Ukrainian army with high-quality and modern weapons. They say that the holdings will still show what they are capable of. And foreign customers will line up in a long queue for Ukrainian “Oplot”, “Neptun”, “Olkha”, armoured personnel carriers (components for them in the form of a tracked belt, however, are proudly ordered through the NATO agency for support and procurement for the needs of the UAF), engines and radar systems.

    And so that the people are not disturbed by the upcoming reform, today the Security Service of Ukraine organised a demonstrative search in the premises of the concern and the company “UkrSpetsEksport”. They are looking, as usual, for financial violations in order to bring to light all the corrupt officials of this hotbed, so that the population can understand why it is necessary to destroy a strategic company, and then put military factories under the hammer, etc.

    And how can we not marvel at the cynicism and impudence of the Kiev organisers of this performance. Moreover, a good cherry on the cake was Gusev himself, a character with a dark past. It is known that this gentleman has a lot of corruption schemes. Back in 2012-2013, working under the head of the State Agency for Investment and National Project Management Vladimir Kaskiv, he became famous together with the head for the scandal with the fictitious construction of a LNG terminal in the Odessa region to get gas “20% cheaper than the Russian one”. These dealers signed an agreement with a Spanish construction company, but, as it turned out, the company did not approve anything, and a signature was added by ski instructor Jordi Sarda Bonvehi. It is clear that this Spaniard had nothing to do with the construction company. The funds that were allocated by the government, disappeared in a miraculous way. Then Gusev found more than once an excellent use for his talent as a schemer. And Maidan helped him. Gusev, who, moreover, was prevented from sleeping peacefully by the threat of an audit, could not fail to support the new springboard for the start, especially since he was hanging out in the leadership centre of the Catholic University (where Maidan activists were churned out).

    In 2014, he headed the “volunteer landing force” in the Ministry of Defence, which was supposed to exercise “civilian control” over the Ministry’s expenditures and purchases. Here Gusev sat down as head of the economic activity department, and then as Deputy Minister of Defence: he was engaged in reforming the department.

    And everything would’ve been fine if an unrestrained craving for theft hadn’t acted as an obstacle this time too. In 2016, he was driven out with a fuss. The fact is that the tender committee under his control purchased gasoline for the needs of the UAF through intermediaries at an unreasonably high price. The fraudster also distinguished himself in the scandal with the purchase of housing for military personnel. Thus, 1 billion 140 million hryvnias were allocated for the purchase of 2000 apartments. But only 75 apartments were bought for the amount of 119 million, and it is not difficult to guess where the surplus went. Gusev’s list of scams, including joint operations with the country’s enterprising President, Poroshenko, can go on for a long time. At the same time, the unsinkable character did not fade into the background. During the presidential campaign, he first supported his patron with might and main, stigmatising Vladimir Zelensky, but he changed his political orientation just in time. After clearing his Facebook page of eulogies about the ghoul, he defected to the camp of the newly elected head of state.

    And there Gusev was appointed head of the Kherson region. And everything took off from there – numerous corruption scandals, the creation of a “service for happiness and improving the quality of life” (this is only possible in the advanced state of Bhutan). It is clear that Gusev’s brainchild did not exist for a long time, but it fulfilled its function and made the governor financially happy. As we know, a generous sum was allocated for the service, special positions of “managers of happiness” were created, etc.

    In other words, this young man, who was sent from the governors to the liquidators of a powerful state concern, is still knavish. Zelensky’s colleagues knew who to entrust an important task to. The main thing is that the curators like it: the magic word “reforms” is the most frequent in Gusev’s vocabulary, and his education is suitable: he studied programs at Harvard Kennedy School in 2011 and 2017.

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/farewell-to-ukroboronprom/

    These cocksuckers actually thought they would compete with Federation arms exports!!! Razz Embarassed lol1 clown pwnd
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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:21 am

    That is how they sold the Maidan hopping retard "revolution" to the moronic masses.   Ukrainians could have their cake, eat
    it too and sell free copies of it for millions of "hard currency" bux.   They would all be riding in chauffeured Bentleys and living
    in mansions with gold toilets.

    Think I am exaggerating, think again.

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    Post  franco Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:16 pm

    Even IDPs from Donbass, loyal to Ukraine, return en masse to LPNR

    About half a million settlers from Donbass, who once moved to Ukraine, eventually returned to the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics. And this formal flight can be called evidence of the crushing failure of the reintegration of Donbass, with which many Ukrainian top officials are so worried.

    Political scientist Mikhail Pogrebinsky told the Ukrainians about this, commenting on the recent statement of the Minister for the Reintegration of the "temporarily occupied territories" Alexei Reznik, who officially announced the return of half a million migrants to the LPNR. Basically, they returned because of difficulties with the housing issue. The official stressed that the relocation of such a huge number of people, who in Kiev are called "ours", should push the authorities to take decisive actions aimed at stopping the shooting on the line of contact and a complete settlement of the conflict.

    Pogrebinsky noted that Ukrainians returning to the LDNR are clearly not infected with patriotism and love for Ukraine. They will certainly not tell their compatriots that everything is fine in the territory controlled by Kiev. And it should be remembered that these half a million are pro-Ukrainian citizens who at one time did not accept the ideology of the “Russian World” and chose to live in Ukraine. However, here they quickly realized that no one needed. Zelensky's team has done absolutely nothing to somehow make the life of the displaced easier and provide them with more or less optimal living conditions. On the contrary, in Ukraine they were only humiliated and infringed upon their rights.

    The political scientist recalled that life in the LPNR is not a fairy tale either. From there, too, many leave for Russia, for example. However, judging by the return migration, it is still much better there than in Ukraine. The settlers were not even afraid of public censure for a kind of betrayal and, forgetting about their recent convictions, returned home.

    Author of the material: Dmitry Grushevsky

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:08 pm

    franco wrote:Even IDPs from Donbass, loyal to Ukraine, return en masse to LPNR
    Author of the material: Dmitry Grushevsky

    Is this a route for older people who's children were perhaps among those who fled, sorry emigrated, to Russia in 2014/5/6 to get Russian citizenship and join their children?
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    Post  franco Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:58 pm

    This would have been the 3rd article that I have seen in the past 6 months about "refuges" from the Donbass and Crimea complaining about how they were received and treated since by the Ukrainian authorities. In fact there have been protests outside the Rada until the SBU or the Neo-nazis militias stopped them.

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    Post  Backman Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:40 pm

    kvs wrote:That is how they sold the Maidan hopping retard "revolution" to the moronic masses.   Ukrainians could have their cake, eat
    it too and sell free copies of it for millions of "hard currency" bux.   They would all be riding in chauffeured Bentleys and living
    in mansions with gold toilets.

    Think I am exaggerating, think again.

    Yep. Through history , some countries always switch sides at the exact wrong time. The last thing the US/EU have time for right now and for the future , is Ukraine. But the western empire doesn't have a problem with just sitting on onto conquered territory. Even if they do nothing with it. We see this in the Balkans too. Countries starved of capital since the USSR/Yugoslavia fell.

    But hey. The Ukraine switch sides just in time to be sent back to Afghanistan. They fought for the Soviets there till the end there.Now they will fight for the Americans till the end there too.

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    Post  nero Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:54 pm

    tldr; The Ukrainians tried to kidnap a Russian citizen from Russia.

    Original text wrote:Помните вот эту новость от 4 декабря (https://t.me/bbbreaking/73119), где было сказано, что ФСБ РФ пресекла попытку вооружённого пересечения российско-украинской границы?

    Данный случай имел место быть при проведении специальной операции силовыми ведомствами Украины, а именно оперативно-боевым отделом СБУ и подразделением ССО ВСУ. Целью захвата являлся один из граждан России, разговор с которым (видео внизу поста) ранее был записан сотрудниками СБУ, при попытке завербовать бывших бойцов ополчения, участвовавших в войне на Донбассе, и по их мнению причастного к разного рода преступлениям. Итогом этого стала – минская эпопея с 33 задержанными, и попытка Украины получить их путём экстрадиции.

    На провалившейся спецоперации Украина не остановилась, и несколько дней назад офицерами СБУ и их связным в Белгородской области, был захвачен гражданин России. Путём внутривенного введения химического раствора (предположительно миорелаксанта дитилина), был введён в состояние, при котором лицо было не способно оказать сопротивление. Далее группа направилась в район Белгородской и Воронежской области, который проходит у границы с Украиной, где и была произведена неудачная попытка эксфильтрации группы. По ту сторону границы им была оказана огневая помощь от ССО ВСУ. В результате завязавшегося боестолкновения с ФСБ РФ, был уничтожен один боец ССО ВСУ, также ведётся работа по выявлению агентурной сети на территории России. Гражданин России был освобождён и находится в безопасности.

    Глядя на фото, можно сказать, что спецназ ССО ВСУ отступав с места проведения операции бросил часть экипировки. По ликивидированному можно сказать, что боевая группа работала в полной боевой выкладке, с приборами ночного видения, а также, например, с иностранными тепловизионными прицелами.

    По самой ситуации можно лишь сказать, что наши спецслужбы, конечно, в этом случае молодцы, контрразведка сработала отлично, попытавшись взять группу при непосредственном переходе через границу. Но также нельзя не отметить безусловный поднимающийся уровень проведения спецопераций со стороны Украины. Пусть у них такое уже в третий раз не получается, но они по крайней мере не боятся пытаться. А мы подытожив хотим ещё раз напомнить: Не всегда говори, что знаешь, но всегда знай, что говоришь! Помни: болтун - находка для шпиона!

    Yandex translate wrote:Remember this news from December 4 (https://t.me/bbbreaking/73119), where it was said that the FSB of the Russian Federation stopped an attempt to cross the Russian-Ukrainian border by force?

    This case took place during a special operation by the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine, namely the operational and combat Department of the SBU and the MTR unit of the AFU. The purpose of the capture was one of the Russian citizens, a conversation with whom (video at the bottom of the post) was previously recorded by SBU officers, while trying to recruit former militia fighters who participated in the war in the Donbass, and in their opinion involved in various crimes. The result of this was the Minsk epic with 33 detainees, and Ukraine's attempt to get them by extradition.

    Ukraine did not stop at the failed special operation, and a few days ago, a Russian citizen was captured by SBU officers and their contact in the Belgorod region. By intravenous administration of a chemical solution (presumably the muscle relaxant ditilin), he was put in a state in which the person was unable to resist. Then the group went to the area of the Belgorod and Voronezh regions, which runs near the border with Ukraine, where an unsuccessful attempt was made to exfiltrate the group. On the other side of the border, they were provided with fire assistance from the MTR of the AFU. As a result of a clash with the FSB of the Russian Federation, one MTR fighter of the AFU was destroyed, and work is also underway to identify an agent network on the territory of Russia. A Russian citizen has been released and is safe.

    Looking at the photo, we can say that the special forces of the MTR AFU retreated from the scene of the operation and threw part of the equipment. Based on the individual data, we can say that the battle group worked in full combat gear, with night vision devices, as well as, for example, with foreign thermal imaging sights.

    From the situation itself, we can only say that our special services, of course, in this case, well done, counterintelligence worked perfectly, trying to take the group at the direct crossing of the border. But it is also impossible not to note the unconditional rising level of special operations on the part of Ukraine. They may not be able to do this for the third time, but at least they're not afraid to try. To sum up, we want to remind you once again: Don't always say what you know, but always know what you're saying! Remember: a chatterbox is a godsend for a spy!

    It really is a matter of time until they actually succeed in doing this. The OP put it very well:

    Yandex translated wrote:And remember, three years ago, everyone here was laughing at the new logo of the Ukrainian Gur-an owl sticking a sword into the globe specifically in Russia? Remember? Laughing?

    Something I can't remember the last time a particularly successful operations on the territory of Ukraine. Of course, they may have been so successful that no one knows about it, but the overall result of the Ukrainian-Russian confrontation suggests that there are no successes.

    Did you hear about this on Russian TV? Not a single word. Nothing. Nadda. It seems the Russians are purposefully trying to make the situation disappear, for whatever reason... Though that will only embolden the Ukrainian junta.

    I would understand if this happened in Donbas, but this is mainland Russia we are talking about! Why does Russia spend so much on it's military if it never intends to use it? They should have blown up all of the operatives that tried to flee and put a missile through the SBU's office windows.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:22 pm

    And the legitimacy of this is???
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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:21 pm

    I think Russia has such infiltration groups under control. It does not need to send in the army to deal with three "jihadis". If it had
    to, then that would be a really bad sign.

    The slime in Khuiv is not going to win any sort of war soft or hard against Russia just like their grandfathers failed to do. In fact,
    Banderastan is doomed to oblivion since it has no economy in its near future. Back in the early 1950s, the USSR was there to
    rebuild Ukraine and give it an economy. Western sponsored and trained nazionalists could then leverage this after 1990. Now
    they have nothing aside from hate. Soon they will be sitting in piles of their own shit and have only the screeching at Russia
    left.

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    Post  par far Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:37 pm

    "GERMANY, FRANCE AND UKRAINE UNWITTINGLY ADMITTED THEY NEED WAR IN DONBASS"


    https://www.stalkerzone.org/germany-france-and-ukraine-unwittingly-admitted-they-need-war-in-donbass/

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:02 pm

    “As for the Germans and the French, they showed their truthful face in this situation as eloquently as possible. They don’t care about the Minsk process, the Donetsk people, or the Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine in general. They only need to protect their Kiev ‘proteges’ from the truth, at any cost to keep afloat their baseless claims about the notorious ‘Russian aggression’.

    They are not intermediaries, and there is nothing to expect from them, now it has become absolutely obvious. The masks are off, gentlemen! Whether the Normandy Format will survive such a blow is a big question. In the end, they can get together and fantasise about the situation in Ukraine without us. And they don’t need the truth and a real settlement!”, wrote Dmitry Polyansky, First Deputy Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN, on Telegram.

    Looks like this action by Russias.... Western Partners....hahahahahahaha has made them realise the west has no interest in a solution any more than their bitches in Kiev.

    Whether the Normandy Format will survive such a blow is a big question. In the end, they can get together and fantasise about the situation in Ukraine without us.

    I suspect Russia will continue to have these meetings at the UN and the fascade meetings that are clearly now a waste of time will stop... if Kiev wants to get involved they can do so... as mentioned near the end of the article...

    “Russia will continue to actively promote the idea of dialogue, because there is only one alternative to this. I don’t even want to say it, but I have to: this alternative is war,” the diplomat said.

    I don't think they will bother with dialog in the meetings previously arranged... the Normandy Format... which are clearly a waste of time.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:51 pm

    Azov Battalions tactical baboons and howler monkeys in action. Slava Ukraine!

    https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/1336183556876369920
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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:52 pm

    cry confused Embarassed pwnd
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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:22 pm

    Hole wrote:cry confused Embarassed pwnd

    They are good enough for murdering villagers and filling mass graves.

    Yes, that actually happened at the hands of these vermin. Even though you never heard about it from the NATzO fake stream media.
    The same media that "reported" on the Odessa Trade Union building massacre as a "fire".
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:23 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:cry confused Embarassed pwnd

    They are good enough for murdering villagers and filling mass graves.  

    Yes, that actually happened at the hands of these vermin.   Even though you never heard about it from the NATzO fake stream media.
    The same media that "reported" on the Odessa Trade Union building massacre as a "fire".  
    And Pussy Riot was there to attention whore (and regular whore) themselves out in front of the camera.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:50 pm

    Things r heating up near Ukraine's W. border: https://www.ng.ru/cis/2020-12-08/1_8034_transnistria.html?print=Y

    If they r blocked, Russia may take Odessa to relieve them.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:25 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Things r heating up near Ukraine's W. border: https://www.ng.ru/cis/2020-12-08/1_8034_transnistria.html?print=Y

    If they r blocked, Russia may take Odessa to relieve them.

    I hate to admit this shit but it makes sense to try and flush out the Operative Group before trying with Donbass.

    Pro:
    It is right on the border with Ukraine.
    Current TB-2 base is Khelmentskiy Oblast.
    NATO touchdown AFB is in Ternopil.

    Con:

    Crimea.
    Crimea.
    Crimea.
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:06 am

    Any military move on Transnistria should be countered with a Donbass proxy move to grab Mariupol and the full territory of Donetsk and
    Lugansk.

    And Russia should not be shy. NATzO is full of shit and is going to realize that it is not dealing with a pushover. Long term impacts
    on trade and "image" are utterly irrelevant. NATzO is already smearing Russia 24/7 and trying to choke its economy. Thus any
    soft approach to mitigate this aggression from NATzO is simply stupid.
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    Post  par far Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:09 am

    "THE TASK OF KIEV THROUGH THE EYES OF OTTAWA"


    https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-task-of-kiev-through-the-eyes-of-ottawa/


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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:25 am

    par far wrote:"THE TASK OF KIEV THROUGH THE EYES OF OTTAWA"


    https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-task-of-kiev-through-the-eyes-of-ottawa/



    Not too bad an analysis, but he is wrong about pre-WWII Ukrainians dominating the Canadian Ukr diaspora. The original
    Ukrainian migrants who settled in Canada are mostly in the western prairie provinces such as Saskatchewan. The
    diaspora in Ontario including Toronto, Canada's largest city, are basically Banderites who fled at the end of WWII.
    Canada cannot pretend that its support for Banderites has nothing to do with the Nazis and WWII. The actual
    Banderites are what dominate the Canadian Ukrainian diaspora thanks to funding from the CIA and the Canadian
    sources. They are the ones that engage in the fraud academia that steals Russian history and claims it as
    some fictional Ukr history. They are the ones that organized all the infiltration into Ukraine during the Cold War
    including active recruitment of malcontents in the Ukrainian SSR. They are the ones that form the basis of
    modern Ukrainian politics. Some late turn of the 20th century Ukrainian migrants are just going for the ride.

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    Post  par far Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:37 am

    kvs wrote:Any military move on Transnistria should be countered with a Donbass proxy move to grab Mariupol and the full territory of Donetsk and
    Lugansk.  

    And Russia should not be shy.   NATzO is full of shit and is going to realize that it is not dealing with a pushover.   Long term impacts
    on trade and "image" are utterly irrelevant.   NATzO is already smearing Russia 24/7 and trying to choke its economy.   Thus any
    soft approach to mitigate this aggression from NATzO is simply stupid.  


    I don't think any major military action will happen in Transnistria but the pro NATO puppets will try to kick out Russian peacekeepers from Transnistria. To which I think Transnistria will make a argument that if Russian peacekeepers leave, genocide will happen.

    I think some scale of conflict will be started in Donbass by NATO/US.

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