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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #28

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    Post  kvs on Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:25 pm

    These clowns are being disingenuous. To them it is Nazi lives that matter. They have hard core hate for whites such as Russians.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:04 am

    The amusing thing is that America criticised the rebels for killing him, but AFAIK he stepped on a mine... it could very easily have been a Ukrainian government laid mine...

    I suspect they are worried about the Americans in the same group that might end up dead and in the news... not for the Americans themselves but for image.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:23 am

    https://en.news-front.info/2020/07/18/american-coronavirus-vaccine-killed-five-ukrainians/

    Americans are using Ukrainians as Guinea Pigs for testing experimental vaccine against coronavirus.

    In Kharkov US virologists have tested a Covid vaccine on 15 people.  Allegedly 5 people, including 4 Ukrainian soldiers, felt badly and died after the experiment.  

    They must be the harmless "side effects" that Bill Gates talked about.

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    Post  Ispan on Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:44 pm

    Hello again, long time no see.


    For all it's worth, here's my technical military analysis of the fighting during the year 2019 and the losses. This was written in January but it's still valid and interesting, specially since the yearly report of the fighting from July 2019 to July 2020 came out and validates my analysis and assumptions.

    Use google or yandex translate to read.

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2020/01/17/analisis-militar-del-ano-2019/

    And here's my follow up post

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2020/07/21/balance-del-ultimo-ano-julio-2019-julio-2020/

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    Post  VARGR198 on Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:10 am

    Some Ukrainans decided to fly a large Ukraine flag over Donetsk using hellum balloons. Naturally it was shot down.
    https://www.stalkerzone.org/a-ukrainian-flag-sent-to-donetsk-via-balloons-was-downed-in-the-dpr/
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:01 pm

    And not just Russian transit, China transit also thumbsup

    Ukraine has almost completely lost Russian transit

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:25 pm

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:08 pm

    In USSR times Ukraine had 25% of Soviet population but possessed 50% of Soviet industry, 50% of agricultural and probably a similar % of scientific output.

    It designed and produced tanks for the Soviet army, transport aircraft for the Soviet AF and aircraft carriers for the navy.

    So it was overprivileaged in every way possible.

    Let's wait and see when Ukraine starts to produce even small arms ammo for any NATO army.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:00 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #28 - Page 12 EeMBGjQXYAEOEJT?format=jpg&name=small

    The graphic does not quite bring the message home. We have 11 billion euros supposedly "invested" (more life stolen by
    the ubiquitous parasites in Banderastan) in a population of around 35 million and 22 billion dollars actually invested in a population
    of about 2.5 million. Over the last 5 years the exchange rate of dollars to euros has averaged around 1.13 to 1. So
    that means the EU has "invested" 0.355 dollars per capita but Russia has invested 8.8 dollars per capita.

    And those Russian investments are hard core. Infrastructure and factories. Not fly by night budget injections or other
    short-lived BS.
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    Post  Regular on Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:06 pm

    kvs wrote:These clowns are being disingenuous.  To them it is Nazi lives that matter.   They have hard core hate for whites such as Russians.

    Well, he was really a clown. I think that this screenshot is bullshit, maybe trolling as he was half Ukrainian pig himself. He had estonian surname and Ukrainian name. He lived in Ukraine, studied, had business, then he decided to join so called ATO. But who knows, he let up the ghost bleeding in the forest, maybe he only wanted to play airsoft with real bullets and got tagged or maybe he was following his patriotic duty and defended Globohomo Ukraine.
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    Post  VARGR198 on Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:10 pm

    "The State Duma proposed to start officially supplying weapons to #Donbass.

    Russia may start supplying arms to the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass in response to the US law on the regular allocation of military aid to Ukraine in the amount of $ 300 million."

    https://ruposters.ru/news/31-07-2020/predlozhili-postavlyat-oruzhie-donbassa

    auto-translate in english

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:58 am

    VARGR198 wrote:"The State Duma proposed to start officially supplying weapons to #Donbass.

    Russia may start supplying arms to the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass in response to the US law on the regular allocation of military aid to Ukraine in the amount of $ 300 million."

    https://ruposters.ru/news/31-07-2020/predlozhili-postavlyat-oruzhie-donbassa

    auto-translate in english


    Absolutely unexpected development, I'm shocked!!! lol1

    Question: are there any thermobaric ordinance available for Smerch MLRS? Asking for a friend...

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:05 am

    They have been whining about Russian interference all this time.... how could they possibly complain or get upset about such a declaration because they have been saying Russia has been supporting them all along so this wont make any difference will it?

    EU sanctions are mostly about supporting ukrainian separatists... so now they can at least do the crime after having done the time anyway...

    This will really stir things up... looking forward to seeing CNN and the BBC go apeshit.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:They have been whining about Russian interference all this time.... how could they possibly complain or get upset about such a declaration because they have been saying Russia has been supporting them all along so this wont make any difference will it?

    EU sanctions are mostly about supporting ukrainian separatists... so now they can at least do the crime after having done the time anyway...

    This will really stir things up... looking forward to seeing CNN and the BBC go apeshit.

    Yeah, the contradictory BS spew will be something. These propaganda orifices have been pushing the Kiev regime line that Russian regular
    forces are occupying the Donbass. So why would they need to supply arms to themselves? But the sheeple who can't be bothered to
    pay attention and don't remember events from three days prior will lap it up.

    People always moan about war and how to avoid it. Grow a brain, numbskulls. The MSM has been central to all major wars in history.
    This includes WWI and WWII.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:09 pm

    GarryB wrote:They have been whining about Russian interference all this time.... how could they possibly complain or get upset about such a declaration because they have been saying Russia has been supporting them all along so this wont make any difference will it?

    EU sanctions are mostly about supporting ukrainian separatists... so now they can at least do the crime after having done the time anyway...

    This will really stir things up... looking forward to seeing CNN and the BBC go apeshit.




    Before the "Russian interference" in the Donbas/New Russia there was the Ukrainian interference in both Abhazia and South Ossetia:


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/264/georgian-losses-reports




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    Post  VARGR198 on Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:31 pm

    That Sinking Feeling: Ukraine Naval and Coastal Forces
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:51 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:That Sinking Feeling: Ukraine Naval and Coastal Forces

    Sobering.

    The Neptun is described as being able to strike both naval and land targets, suggesting a combination of active radar guidance combined with GPS. If deployed in land-based form on the shores of the Sea of Azov, it could be used to shut down large swaths of the Sea of Azov under the guise of live-fire exercises. But arguably the worst-case scenario is the use of the missile against the Kerch Bridge, which is located within the 300km range of the Ukraine-controlled Azov coastline. One can readily imagine an MH17-style scenario in which a Ukrainian missile strikes and damages the bridge, with the attack then being attributed—with full NATO support—to a training accident or even a “Russian missile”. It would also not be an easy attack to respond to, as it would require Russian military strikes against targets on Ukraine’s territory that would elicit a highly predictable NATO reaction. It would also be a difficult attack to defend against, requiring the deployment of anti-missile weapons like the Pantsir-S and Tor which might not guarantee protection against a surprise attack by a highly subsonic, sea-skimming missile relying on GPS or even simply inertial guidance and not advertising its own presence by radar emissions.

    Moreover, Neptun will give Ukraine the ability to launch relatively precise missile strikes against high-value targets in the DPR and LPR. In combination with the Vilkha rocket system and the Grom short-range ballistic missile, this weapon is part of Ukraine’s emerging deep-strike missile arsenal.

    The abortive Gyurza-M raid into the Sea of Azov and NATO’s unwillingness to become directly embroiled in the Sea of Azov conflict do not mean we have seen the last of the provocations. Bolstered by US financial and material assistance, Ukraine is building up offensive capabilities for use in the littoral regions of that body of water. While its military capabilities are not in the same league as Russia’s, Ukraine’s growing ability to launch high-speed naval raids and long-range missile strikes represents a more difficult challenge to counter than its deteriorating land forces.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:52 am

    Tahat's like using a knife against a full armed soldier when he is pointing his weapons at you 10m away. You better not use it.

    Russia would destroy all of their big hardware (fighters, ships, missile launchers...) if they use it against them.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:21 am

    Ukraine would not fire on the Kerch bridge for the mere reason sure they would take it out but the response would be far too devesting and Ukraine could not in any dimension hope to defeat the Russians.

    Reality is attacking a civilian structure like this would give putin a basis to push deeper into Ukraine to et teir missiles out of range of Russian civilian targets, kraine would never make such a stupid and basically suicidal move.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:51 pm

    First of all... Hahahahaha... Neptune.... also known as Uranus or Bal... a Soviet missile that is really not very new at all.

    If they launch an attack on the bridge or any Russian naval vessels I would expect a response would be a direct attack on military HQ in Kiev and possibly an attack on the Ukrainian president of the time... I doubt the leadership of the Ukraine would care about the loss of any ships or coastal missile batteries, but loss of an HQ in Kiev and their own death would prevent a repeat attack.

    Who gives a fuck what HATO says it is none of their business.

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    Post  VARGR198 on Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:28 pm

    GarryB wrote:First of all...   Hahahahaha... Neptune.... also known as Uranus or Bal... a Soviet missile that is really not very new at all.

    If they launch an attack on the bridge or any Russian naval vessels I would expect a response would be a direct attack on military HQ in Kiev and possibly an attack on the Ukrainian president of the time... I doubt the leadership of the Ukraine would care about the loss of any ships or coastal missile batteries, but loss of an HQ in Kiev and their own death would prevent a repeat attack.

    Who gives a fuck what HATO says it is none of their business.

    I did see a video a few weeks ago where a Russian general described it was outdated soviet tech and subsonic and therefore able to be shot down by Russian defences quite easily.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:51 pm

    https://yandex.ru/turbo/s/discover24.ru/2020/08/syn-biznesmena-iz-ukrainy-priobrel-ostrov-v-italii-za-10-mln-evro/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=mobile

    In the meanwhile, while Motor sich is slowly dying, the son of its owner buy an island in italy
    (I am twice annoyed by this news, by the fact that my country is selling islands to foreigners, and by the fact that the son of a ukrainian oligarch is buying it....)


    The son of a businessman from Ukraine bought an island in Italy for 10 million euros

    August 3, 2020

    The son of Vyacheslav Boguslaev, a Ukrainian businessman, acquired Gallinara Island, off the coast of Italy, last month.

    Corriere della Sera news agency notes that the island was acquired for 10 million euros. For forty years it was owned by 2 local families. The new owner turned out to be the Galinette company, which is most likely headed by Alexander Boguslaev, who lives in Monaco.
    The authors of the materials note that he is the son of the owner of the Motor Sich enterprise, which produces aircraft engines. The island is located just 1.5 kilometers from the coast of Liguria, and its area is about 10 hectares

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    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:19 pm

    GarryB wrote:First of all...   Hahahahaha... Neptune.... also known as Uranus or Bal... a Soviet missile that is really not very new at all.

    If they launch an attack on the bridge or any Russian naval vessels I would expect a response would be a direct attack on military HQ in Kiev and possibly an attack on the Ukrainian president of the time... I doubt the leadership of the Ukraine would care about the loss of any ships or coastal missile batteries, but loss of an HQ in Kiev and their own death would prevent a repeat attack.

    Who gives a fuck what HATO says it is none of their business.

    If Kiev attacks civilian targets in Crimea, Russia will have full rights to retaliate. No amount of NATzO propaganda will make for a big
    enough fig leaf. There is simply no way to spin the Crimean bridge as a legitimate target for Kiev. Even if the "annexation" lie
    is to be taken as "truth". Go ahead and try to destroy your previous property which is under litigation. That is a crime even
    if you believe it is rightfully owned by you.

    But this sort of primitive thinking is nothing new for Banderastan. During the "Holodomor" the "resistance" would burn crops and
    kill livestock. That is cutting off their own food supply out of spite.
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    Post  RTN on Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:06 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Let's wait and see when Ukraine starts to produce even small arms ammo for any NATO army.
    Already producing ATGMs. Some in collaboration with Poland and Turkey. Ukraine is also producing assault rifles in house.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:56 am

    I did see a video a few weeks ago where a Russian general described it was outdated soviet tech and subsonic and therefore able to be shot down by Russian defences quite easily.

    I would not underestimate it... it is not a bad missile, but it is intended for being carried by medium fighters and helicopters... you would need three or four hits to destroy a destroyer sized ship, though one would stop it doing what it was doing.

    It is very similar in performance to Harpoon and Exocet... which can also be dangerous in the right situation.

    Of course the consequence of using it against Russia makes it suicide... it is not stealthy nor too fast to stop.... against an unprotected bridge it should hit no problem, but against a military ship... decoys and jammers and self defence weapons would be a problem.

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