The Situation in the Ukraine. #28

medo wrote:

franco wrote:Believe I read several years back that LNR had an EW capable plant.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/topaz-pjsc.htm

DNR have Topaz radio electronic plant, which produced Kolchuga ELINT complexes. They for sure now receive all needed components from Russia, that they could produce all needed modern equipment. DNR and LNR already show their domestic jammers to jam drones, so most probably they are producing them in that plant.

Ex-president Zaharchenko was anouncing, that DNR will produce their own modern communications, to be better protected against jamming and spying. They are for sure able to produce them. They never show much about new radio stations, but if they produce them, than they keep them in secret.

Does anyone know where is it possible to find a list of all the industries in the donbass?

"Chicken Kiev Meets Cold Turkey: Black Sea Axis Emerges?"




https://southfront.org/chicken-kiev-meets-cold-turkey/

Two bankrupt countries forming an alliance.

Hole wrote:Two bankrupt countries forming an alliance.

It isn't even an alliance. It is simply Turkey just trying to syphon whatever Ukraine had left.

The comment section is as usual, full of retards. I mean, Turkey taking Crimea? The Russian contingent in Crimea can take on entire Ukraine and would probably wipe out half of Turkey's forces.

It is pretty pathetic.

kvs wrote:Funny how Ukrs who were the prime victims of Turkish slavery via their Crimean Tatar proxies are now crawling up Turkey's
ass to spite Russia.   That would be the definition of transcendental losers.   May reality assrape them so hard that they
never recover.

Most of the Zaporozhian Cossacks (the faction of Doroshenko) were Ottoman vassals for around 15 years during the late 17th century.

Later there were some Zaporozhian Cossacks who lived in exile in the Ottoman Empire.


So much so for "writing the funny letter to the Ottoman sultan" stories.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

medo wrote:

franco wrote:Believe I read several years back that LNR had an EW capable plant.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/topaz-pjsc.htm

DNR have Topaz radio electronic plant, which produced Kolchuga ELINT complexes. They for sure now receive all needed components from Russia, that they could produce all needed modern equipment. DNR and LNR already show their domestic jammers to jam drones, so most probably they are producing them in that plant.

Ex-president Zaharchenko was anouncing, that DNR will produce their own modern communications, to be better protected against jamming and spying. They are for sure able to produce them. They never show much about new radio stations, but if they produce them, than they keep them in secret.

Does anyone know where is it possible to find a list of all the industries in the donbass?

Wiki has some stuff on it.

Prior to the start of the region's war in April 2014, Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts together produced about 30 percent of Ukraine's exports.[59] Other industries in Donetsk which may overlap Donbass include blast-furnace and steel-making equipment, railway freight cars, metal-cutting machine-tools, tunneling machines, agricultural harvesters and ploughing systems, railway tracks, mining cars, electric locomotives, military vehicles, tractors and excavators. The region also produces consumer goods like household washing-machines, refrigerators, freezers, TV sets, leather footwear, and toilet soap. Over half its production is exported, and about 22% is exported to Russia.[60]

Backman wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

medo wrote:

franco wrote:Believe I read several years back that LNR had an EW capable plant.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/topaz-pjsc.htm

DNR have Topaz radio electronic plant, which produced Kolchuga ELINT complexes. They for sure now receive all needed components from Russia, that they could produce all needed modern equipment. DNR and LNR already show their domestic jammers to jam drones, so most probably they are producing them in that plant.

Ex-president Zaharchenko was anouncing, that DNR will produce their own modern communications, to be better protected against jamming and spying. They are for sure able to produce them. They never show much about new radio stations, but if they produce them, than they keep them in secret.

Does anyone know where is it possible to find a list of all the industries in the donbass?

Wiki has some stuff on it.

Prior to the start of the region's war in April 2014, Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts together produced about 30 percent of Ukraine's exports.[59] Other industries in Donetsk which may overlap Donbass include blast-furnace and steel-making equipment, railway freight cars, metal-cutting machine-tools, tunneling machines, agricultural harvesters and ploughing systems, railway tracks, mining cars, electric locomotives, military vehicles, tractors and excavators. The region also produces consumer goods like household washing-machines, refrigerators, freezers, TV sets, leather footwear, and toilet soap. Over half its production is exported, and about 22% is exported to Russia.[60]

So all things that are needed.

Hopefully many of those are still operating.

There is also a turbine blades production facility in luhansk oblast (near the Russian border), formerly owned by motor sich.

Mariupol also has many steel mills, shipping companies and an important shipyard, but unfortunately is still in the Ukraine controlled area.

Now it would have to be checked how many of the other industries are in the ukraine controlled area (for the moment).

Anyway, after an official separation of the Donbass from the ukraine, Russia could invest and modernise those industries.

Maybe for the consumer goods a new patriotic brand could be created, and some proper advertising done, so that it (at least partially) replaces Samsung and other imported household appliances.  I know that Russian brands do exist, but foreign brands have still the lion's share of the market.

Furthermore  a new plant for automotive industry could be opened there as well.  It would be nice to show how rich and developed can become the donbass in comparison to other regions of the ukraine.

Even if other oblasts like Dnipro, zaporozhe, kharkov (even Kiev etc.) should eventually detach from the Ukraine and return to Russia I still believe that the Donbass deserves to receive much more help and investment.

Probably the best would be to fully integrate these two oblasts with Rostov oblast

A few wet dreams from NATO stooge Dmitro Kuleba


Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba writes on Facebook that his dream is a large NATO exercise in the country's territory.
https://t.me/rian_ru/68362


https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3147752-kuleba-nato-does-not-imagine-black-sea-security-without-ukraine.html

The meeting showed that the Alliance cannot imagine the security of the Black Sea without Ukraine and Georgia. And this is fundamentally important. It showed another point: most discussion participants in one way or another support the future membership of Ukraine and Georgia in the Alliance," Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba said in an exclusive commentary to Ukrinform.

He assessed the conversation as substantive and named the key "signals" of Ukraine during the meeting.

"Our key signals: Crimea is militarized by Russia - it is unacceptable, it poses a threat to the security of the Black Sea region, the ways in this region. Collective action is needed. Second, Ukraine seeks deeper engagement with the Alliance at all levels, in particular, we want to see more NATO exercises in the territory of Ukraine. Third, Ukraine's membership in NATO is inevitable, so we believe that everyone will benefit from it and we call for the next step, namely granting the Membership Action Plan. That was not a discussion. Everyone expressed their position, made statements," the minister said.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:A few wet dreams from NATO stooge Dmitro Kuleba


Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba writes on Facebook that his dream is a large NATO exercise in the country's territory.
https://t.me/rian_ru/68362


https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3147752-kuleba-nato-does-not-imagine-black-sea-security-without-ukraine.html

The meeting showed that the Alliance cannot imagine the security of the Black Sea without Ukraine and Georgia. And this is fundamentally important. It showed another point: most discussion participants in one way or another support the future membership of Ukraine and Georgia in the Alliance," Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba said in an exclusive commentary to Ukrinform.

He assessed the conversation as substantive and named the key "signals" of Ukraine during the meeting.

"Our key signals: Crimea is militarized by Russia - it is unacceptable, it poses a threat to the security of the Black Sea region, the ways in this region. Collective action is needed. Second, Ukraine seeks deeper engagement with the Alliance at all levels, in particular, we want to see more NATO exercises in the territory of Ukraine. Third, Ukraine's membership in NATO is inevitable, so we believe that everyone will benefit from it and we call for the next step, namely granting the Membership Action Plan. That was not a discussion. Everyone expressed their position, made statements," the minister said.

NATO will always have more exercises in Ukraine. That is a given. Being accepted into NATO on the other hand? I dont think so. Not anytime soon. Many countries in NATO are ho hum on Ukraine and they have their own bones to pick with each other as is.

But if Ukraine does get accepted in and starts to kill its people - I guarantee you, the rest of NATO wont go in to help Ukraine at all. They not only have a logistic nightmare on their hands, but also the fact that the conflict is already known in the area and NATO would be in a bad position since Russia can easily strike from within its own territory at them.

magnumcromagnon wrote:I hope these Ukrappy clowns provoke a reaction from Viktor Orban, and he makes an example out of them!

SBU raided the leaders of the Party of Hungarians of Ukraine with searches, radicals threaten Ukrainian Hungarians with reprisals

Looks like the Hungarians caught wind of their bullshit!

#Hungary's FM describes the illegal searches and the occupation of the HQ of a political party by #Ukraine's SBU in Transcarpathia (Hungarian community targeted) as unacceptable behavior in the 21st century.

https://ria.ru/20201203/vengriya-1587523194.html

https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1334498059082993665

Grotesque #hypocrisy

The #MinskAgreement signatories Ukraine, Germany and France
blocked webcast on official #UN Web TV where representatives of #Donetsk and #Lugansk People's #Donbass Republics spoke about Minsk Agreement

Watch it here:




https://twitter.com/Dpol_un/status/1333889184982044674

https://twitter.com/Malinka1102/status/1334214451009122304

kvs wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Grotesque #hypocrisy

The #MinskAgreement signatories Ukraine, Germany and France
blocked webcast on official #UN Web TV where representatives of #Donetsk and #Lugansk People's #Donbass Republics spoke about Minsk Agreement

Watch it here:
otTV8ohQanA


https://twitter.com/Dpol_un/status/1333889184982044674

https://twitter.com/Malinka1102/status/1334214451009122304

An example why all the "recognition" of this and that from NATzO members is worth less than used toilet paper.   It is not based on
any objective principles and respect for self-evident historical rights of Novorossiya, but on petty self-interest.   The USA and
its lickspittles never had any right to recognize Crimea as part of Ukraine.   They never had any right to include Sevastopol as
part of this "package" since it was never part of Ukraine between 1954 and 1990.  And their non-recognition of Donbass,
South Ossetia and Abkahzia does not matter one bit.

The "recognition" is just a modern bullshit. I do not believe that france recognized the loss of alsace and lorraine in 1871, but in that case they lost a war against germany (they did recover it later, anyway). European history is made of countries stealing land from each other. Thinking that you can freeze the borders after you manage to cause the most damaging outcome for your opponent is just bullshit. One thing is if you find a mutual compromise and something that respect also the population. Another is thinking that mistakes from 30 years ago cannot be corrected and have to remain without changes eternally because of the UN. The UN is just a sort of country club for nations. Having a seat there does not mean that your country is particularly successful or relevant globally.

Midget state or colonies should stop thinking they count something. This is also valid from my country (Italy) even if it could be the most important regional player in the Mediterranean. Unfortunately we behave like a colony, my countrymen enjoy to be france, germany and america'w lap dogs and we do not have real politicians, statemen or influential entrepreneurs (also because when we had them in the past our friends french and Americans killed them (as an example Enrico Mattei))

I believe UN will be reformed anyway before 2030.

Ukropsuckers really do want to meet their maker huh?

Some users are suggesting that the Ukrcucks are snapping up photos during peace-time so they could be used for propaganda later to the same degree as Turdkish propaganda on social media sites.

They should worry about the 40-60 su-30 around them that wait the order to clean the Urkainian skies rather than some AD elements accross the border.

Turkey has nothing to sell them for protection against them.

Guys that is from a January PR video. The S-300P element was filmed over the Khelmentskiy oblast.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys that is from a January PR video. The S-300P element was filmed over the Khelmentskiy oblast.

Do you have the link to the video?

Yeah, those pics would be bs simply because I don't think Russia would place the S-300 right at the borders or even a few km away from the border, especially given its range.

That drone would have to have been flying in Russian territory and it would have been shot down pretty fast