Syrian War: News #20

Erdo is on record saying

"Erdogan: There is the possibility of aviation participating in the upcoming battle of our forces in #Idlib and we rule out Russia's direct intervention against our forces there".

Think of it what you will

Turkey will soon start a war against SAA.

Arrow wrote:Turkey will soon start a war against SAA.

Good. Erdogan will be hang by his own people. A new government will take place in Turkey friendly to Russia.

JohninMK wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Russia moved more SU-24s into Syria this suggests they intend to plan to conduct more airstrikes rapidly.

Samir
@obretix
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Russian Air Force Tu-154M [RA-85042] escorting Su-24 bombers from Astrakhan to Hmeymim on the shortcut via northern Iraq today

Avoiding Erdogan that mad Hitler.

Shooting the bastard Russia haters.

Erdo will no be hung by his own people, he is the government right now.

Much like Hitlar did he has huge domestic support at home from his people.

Erdogan: There is the possibility of aviation participating in the upcoming battle of our forces in Idlib and we rule out Russia’s direct intervention against our forces there.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Erdo will no be hung by his own people, he is the government right now.

Much like Hitlar did he has huge domestic support at home from his people.

Hitler lost against russians ...


Anyway Erdogan was supposed to invade Syria like 2 years ago. That's just a nationalist speach because he has nothing else to show to its people. He's becoming a pariat in the diplomatic affairs and without the nationalist feelings he starts with such talks he would be taken from the power very quickly.

Russians are aware of that and play the good guy with him so that he buys their stuff and hurt nato. They will play as long as they can and let nato take him out because at the speed tensions are growing I give him 1 year before a war brake out in the mediteranean with Cyprus/Greece/Egypt.

He has like nothing to be powerful or play the strong guy. Its air force is only composed of f16. Its navy has pathetic ships with no air defence. Once those are taken out the land forces are easy targets. No air defence making the country vulnearable to any cruise missile or ballistic missile. No petrodollars. No nuks. No massive support at the UN. Nothing.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Erdo is on record saying

"Erdogan: There is the possibility of aviation participating in the upcoming battle of our forces in #Idlib and we rule out Russia's direct intervention against our forces there".

Think of it what you will

This is erdogan hoping Russia will chicken out , and dictate Russia the rules of engagement... that they allow turkey to fight syrian army in peace..    


He is simply testing putin.. to see how far he can go..

If correct it looks like Turkey may have just raised the stakes. Mind you no doubt Turkey has deployed this radar-electronic warfare system close to the borders with Syria in order to jam and deceive hostile radar emitters.

Not sure why they need to move one into Idlib given the potential coverage from Turkey based systems. The map is based on the claimed 150kn coverage. Write up is from 2016

Geo_monitor
@ConstantinGreco
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russian media: turkish forces have already begun to deploy the electronic warfare system "Koral" in Idlib, which poses a real threat to the russian air force, so it will be legitimate targets of the russian army..



This link should get you a photo of a Koral system

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F326%2F58326%2F1649393_-_main.jpg&hash=39565fa2f1170ac75cadaad113ea7d28


http://www.janes.com/article/58326/turkey-receives-first-koral-land-based-ew-system


Turkey formally received its first Koral EW system from Aselsan on 22 February 2016. Source: SSM
The Turkish Air Force officially received its first locally designed Koral land-based mobile electronic warfare (EW) system from Aselsan on 22 February.

According to an information note released by the Turkish Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) on 22 February, Koral is able to search for, intercept, analyse, classify, and find the direction of multiple conventional and complex type of radar signals. It also has the capability to jam, deceive, and paralyse hostile radars. It can either be set to automatically respond to hostile signals or it can present suggested options to an operator.

Koral was developed by Aselsan for Turkey under the Land Based Stand-off Jammer System project, which was contracted in July 2009.

A complete Koral EW system includes four Koral Electronic Support Systems (ED) and one Electronic Attack System (ET), each mounted on an 8x8 truck. The vehicles can be up to 500 m away from each other, communicating via fibre-optic cables. The system is reported to have an operating range of 100 km, although no official operating specifications have been issued by Turkey.

Speaking during the handover ceremony, SSM head Ismail Demir said, "We've seen how important electronic warfare is in recent wars." He added that he hoped Koral would lead to the development of an Airborne Stand-off Jammer too. The Turkish Air Force is currently evaluating proposals for such a system, with options including commissioning Aselsan to create one or purchasing one from abroad

Those systems have been there with the AA just inactive until now.

Within Syria
@WithinSyriaBlog
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A failed drone attack by al-Qaeda's HTS targeted Hmeimim Air Base. All drones, which are made with direct help from Turkey, were shot down.

Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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Russian Air Force carries out heavy attack near Turkish border

things seems more and more that a direct confrontation will be inevitable.. turkey will get all its military
wiped inside syria if target russian airforce.. and all its illegal bases too.. so what he will do next?

If turkey declare war on russia..which will be closing the bosphurus strait or attacking russian base,
it will make things far easier for Russia military.  because turkey was only able to setup in idlib.. because
russia allowed it ,to play a game..

my prediction is if erdogan provokes russia into a war..not only erdogan will need to face russia might
military force ,but also iran ,syria and hezbolah.. will hit turkey positions too..
he will had no place to go ,when he lose  the fight.. he will be hanged in ankara by his own people..

I bet that many of russian army generals.. had to be pushing putin to allow them ,to threaten turkey with full scale war ,including everything powerful they have.. if there is a need for it.. if he continues his hostilities against syria..

and the conflict will end.. he will back down ,you will see...their military will not allow erdogan to push too much ,
he can't expect to win a war with a nuclear  super power..

REgardless of what Russia or erdogan does.. the syrian army will not back down in liberating idlib. they know they can't trust in Erdogan and he is only playing games and aiding alqaeda and other terrorist groups.. and that if they allow erdogan to hold position in idlib and get his way ,they risk their entire nation to be disbanded as israel did to palestinians.

Russia should now promote another offensive in latakia..and bomb again the same places they did ,when turkey shot down their bomber.. to expand significantly the security zone , around their base.. to advance and capture all latakkia all the way and very close to idlib main city.
and move to the border turkey border dlib.. to take all the cities near latakkia to push the terrorist away from russian base.. and then encircle idlib and control all entry and exit points to de-militarize the entire idlib zone..

Looks like SAA are moving south then west rather than continuing west from Aleppo. Might have been too tough a nut to crack if they are trying to keep the time short/casualties down. The RuAF will probably keep hammering away there tho'.

Canthama
@Canthama
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Syrian Army stops Turkish border offensive, shifts to east Idlib https://aml.ink/qAJzS via @thearabsource


Also if Turkey strikes in Idlib and don't want to risk the air force, they have lots of MLRS including their 280km range missile system Bora, which saw its first action hitting PKK targets in Iraq a couple years ago. Could hit targets deep in Syria without using its Air Force.

JohninMK wrote:
Also if Turkey strikes in Idlib and don't want to risk the air force, they have lots of MLRS including their 280km range missile system Bora, which saw its first action hitting PKK targets in Iraq a couple years ago. Could hit targets deep in Syria without using its Air Force.

they can do that..you mean himars 270 artilley? but their precision will be horrible ,will miss.. if fire across turkey border.. over too long distances. turkey will depend on easy to hack gps.. to do precision strikes on the ground..

Syria also have smerch missiles to hit anything beyond turkey border... and syrian air defenses
can stop the missiles fired by turkey airforce.. just like they do to israel airforce.  so syria is better prepared
to fight a missile war...because they have plenty of targets to hit in idlib ,with russian airforce guiding their missiles.. so they back down . they can't start a full scale war against syrian army.. and expect their illegal dozen of bases will be safe.. [u] russia should jam all the communications of those illegal bases of turkey..in idlib and jamp gps too, so turkey can't organize ever a major mass scale attack on syrian army.. it will be a total disaster for turkey army to start a  fight against syria if all their communications and gps jammed..
because turkey units are dispersed and they will not know what to do and when.. if their communications blocked.

in any case mistakes could happen ,by both sides.. and both sides will adapt to them.. But Russia can fly its airforce freely over idlib.. and turkey airforce can't do that.. will need to dodge missiles.. just one manpad fired
even if miss ,will interrupt the turkey airforce bombing mission.. russia can bomb from safe distance at high altitude avoiding manpads and have no air defenses targeting them.. something turkey airforce can't do ,they will have syrian s-200 ,pantsirs and buks shooting down their planes all the way to turkey border.

what more likely turkey will do is imitate israel airforce attacks in syria ,from long range stand off attacks.. this
however is useless for providing air support to ground troops.. for close ground support ,you need to to fly above the targets you want to bomb.. and this is  something turkey will never be able to do.. best he could do is attack from withing turkey border and risk a bit their planes shotdown by SAA.

Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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With artillery shells, the Syrian army targeted the terrorist groups present in the city of Jisr Al-Shughour in the western Idlib countryside and to achieve casualties in their ranks

Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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Urgent ... the Pentagon for the second time
He warns and expects a direct military clash between Russia and Turkey in Idlib.

Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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Russia has donated many tanks to the army, and the shipment was made today.

Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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Turkey has reached its goal of delivering its forces to Idlib, and it does not want more than that, and there will be contact between Putin and Erdogan tonight. Coordination will be held to meet with Tehran.


gloves are off...

Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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An order to all forces operating in Aleppo and Idlib, to counter any Turkish aggression.

so the new target city is jisr al-shughour... this one is very important.. capturing this city is the last stand for capturing or encircling idlib main city. and capturing m4 highway to connect aleppo with latakkia..

is being rumored If a major war start between russia and turkey.. US will try to attack venezuela with the distraction of idlib..   also Syrian army need to keep an open eye of US bases position in syria that could unleash isis from their base next to jordan border.

JohninMK wrote:Looks like SAA are moving south then west rather than continuing west from Aleppo. Might have been too tough a nut to crack if they are trying to keep the time short/casualties down. The RuAF will probably keep hammering away there tho'.

Might have been premature

Andrew

@AndrewBritani
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Darat Izza now under fire by the SAA according to Militant sources.

SAA artillery targeting terrorist positions in Ad Dana, Northern Idlib.


Looks like the SAA are getting ready just in case Erdogan strikes east of the Euphrates

Andrew

@AndrewBritani
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By orders, a massive convoy of reinforcements of the Syrian Arab Army are heading to the city of Ain Issa north of Raqqa

Near where the incident was last week, Russian 3 vehicle patrol held up by 2 slow moving US MRAP patrol tries to overtake. Lead Russian vehicle gets past one MRAP but the other is having non of it. The Russian feints to the left, MRAP blocks, Russian goes right MRAP forces Russian off the road into the field but can't stop it passing. Note the civilian that nearly got mowed down in the final move.

Imagine what would have happened if that civilian had been hit or if the Russian vehicle had overturned. Wars start like this.

Video at link.

https://twitter.com/ibrashino/status/1230218147938082818

Warfare is fun and all but is everyone forgetting how back when Turks ambushed Su-24 the heaviest and most devastating response from Russia was in the form of financial pressure?

They didn't need to fire one bullet

And it cratered Turkish finances

If Turkey does something creative again they will instantly be getting full package of economic pressure not theme park version they got the first time

I am talking about total travel, export and trade ban plus God knows what else

Last time tourists and tomatoes were enough to create havoc and Turkish economy was in much better shape, just imagine something worse hitting today?

Russia has entire list of responses to go through before they get anywhere near anything involving intelligence agencies or military

To say nothing of Erdogan's current popularity numbers

SeigSoloyvov wrote:@Taddle

It's fine if that's how you feel bud, I don't really care. So let me propose for you a medium between us, Block me so you don't have to see my text. In fact, I encourage everyone else to do this if you have such feelings. If you want me to also block you, just let me know and I'll do so.

You can do this by PMing me going "Block me".

No hard feelings. Zero-point in bothering with me if that's how you feel and I respect that no reason to wastes each others time.

i rather like the fun/comedy. U of course could do the decent thing and prove ur claims as many have asked. I for one never claim anything that i cant back up, and have in the past provided evidence of any claim ive made.

PapaDragon wrote:
Warfare is fun and all but is everyone forgetting how back when Turks ambushed Su-24 the heaviest and most devastating response from Russia was in the form of financial pressure?

They didn't need to fire one bullet

And it cratered Turkish finances

If Turkey does something creative again they will instantly be getting full package of economic pressure not theme park version they got the first time

I am talking about total travel, export and trade ban plus God knows what else

Last time tourists and tomatoes were enough to create havoc and Turkish economy was in much better shape, just imagine something worse hitting today?

Russia has entire list of responses to go through before they get anywhere near anything involving intelligence agencies or military

To say nothing of Erdogan's current popularity numbers

Responses like giving Ukraine free natural gas and free money.

You should know what I am writing about, as these matters have been discussed on this forum.


If they can put up with Ukraine, I think they should also tolerate that the Syrian opposition should have at least a chunk of Syria.


And contrary to what some posters here have falsely claimed, Turkey has no territorial designs on Syria.

Lets face it, Turkey does not want millions of additional Syrian refugees on its territory, as it is already hosting close to four million of them.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:.....
Lets face it, Turkey does not want millions of additional Syrian refugees on its territory, as it is already hosting close to four million of them.

Solution to that problem is beyond simple: just kick them across the border into EU

They all want to go to Germany, France, UK and Sweden anyway so what's the holdup?

Odin of Ossetia wrote:If they can put up with Ukraine, I think they should also tolerate that the Syrian opposition should have at least a chunk of Syria.

No. The terrorists (and that is EXACTLY what these c*nts are) and their Turdkish backers will get NOTHING except a lonely shallow grave.

The SAA will restore their nations control over all of their territories and neither the Turkish gov or the Takfiri goat-fucking child-murderers they support will retain even a scrap of Syrian soil. When the fighting is done and Evil is finally vanquished, the Turkomen population of northern Syria is going to be much reduced and Syria will benefit as a result.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Erdo is on record saying

"Erdogan: There is the possibility of aviation participating in the upcoming battle of our forces in #Idlib and we rule out Russia's direct intervention against our forces there".

Think of it what you will

Are you a fan of Erdogan?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Erdo will no be hung by his own people, he is the government right now.

Much like Hitlar did he has huge domestic support at home from his people.

It's possible the US will coup him.
Don't think Russia will give him warning this time.

But I think Erdogan is too deeply seated in power by now.

On the one hand the US might be rubbing its hands in glee at the prospect of a Turkish-Russian conflict. But not to the point of war. It's a shitshow that will cause nothing but problems. Better for them to take the opportunity to install a pro-US Kemalist government in Ankara if they get the opportunity from all this.

How would I be a fan of him for posting something he said.

I have made my position on him clear, he is a madman.

He is to prepared for any Coup attempts most of the higher-ups in the military would need to be replaced, when he faked his coup to obtain total power he gutted the military command structure and installed nothing but die-hard loyalists.

We did not try and coup him, The man faked a coup to eliminate all of his opposition in one single strike and assume total power. If my Government tried to do that, I'd have no problems saying we did but that would be a lie.

The courts, the news etc all suffered this. This is why I said he IS the Government, he is the courts, he is the military.

It would be impossible to coup him even if he suffered a bad defeat from the Russians, One thing Erdo is good at is playing his people he would turn it around easy.

I do agree with you if we are given the chance to replace him we would.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

I do agree with you if we are given the chance to replace him we would.

Another reason why the Russians are treating him very carefully. The last thing they want would be a pro US replacement. It does give them a problem though.