nomadski wrote:@Vann7
Disagree. Terror forces in liberated areas are neutralised. A rat needs a nest. Deny a rat a nest, and it dies. All wars are fought on basis of gaining territory. It is like trying to get rid of a weed. A farmer will uproot the pest or weed than just to cut it down, each time it grows, and come back every season to do the same. So it is a matter of efficient tactics. And about getting rid of small number. Why not get rid of large number at once? Say 20,000 in one operation. Lasting a few days. Can be done. Not pretty.
Prolonged wars are to be avoided, for increased costs. Both human and material. The psychological effect of mass losses, make defeat possible. No time for reinforcements or fresh blood. Shock. Death. Terror tactics have been neutralised. By repeated defeats, they have been collected in one area. No chance to hit and run. Must do set battle with regular army. Out gunned, they will be eliminated.
so we agree to disagree..
If Russia-Syria was to completely start a major bombing campaign flatening idlib to take it quickly over
a period of days of few weeks.. the sunni sectarian terrorist will just retreat to turkey border avoiding vast majority of its militants being harmed or wouned.. and they just regroup and start over again.. with the entire Turkey artillery hammering syrian army positions from close distance. and turkey army with the help of NATO reinforcements is bigger than syrian one.. and the few iranians/iraquis they get.. so they can hold for far more time..
Remember that Erdogan is the enemy too of syria ,and part of the problem..how will you solve that issue of Turkey army? by being too close to Turkey borders.. you make it easy for Erdogan to target syrian army.. so the syrian army needs to be at least 30km-40 km from turkey army positions on turkey real territory. that way when erdogan sends military deep into syria ,syrian army can justify its bombing ,because they bombed inside its country and not turkey.. so is huge difference.. a news report..in ankara and in the world, that syria is bombing syria . vs syria bombed a nato ally..on its own borders turkey.. Erdogan could use that to align turkey population behind him.. that turkey territory was attacked.. so this are the propaganda , the syrian army needs to deny
erdogan... and so needs to play a long term game instead..
if you destroy the nest.. in syria.. what about the nest in turkey ? syria can't bomb in turkey.. neither russia.
better taken down in idlib all the islamic extremist fanatics ,friendly to alqaeda and isis.. than they to move to
russia and fight russia with terrorism in their cities... it will be very easy for them to enter in russia as "tourist".. and later create problems there..
so let idlib become the bait ,to the rats... if you want to kill rats.. best way is to place a trap with a bait... and idlib is that bait... that way all the rats will concentrate in just one single city.. and will make it easier for russia to bomb them.. than to bomb them in all middle east.. had they just leave..
the ideal time for the war in syria to end.. is not by capturing idlib fast sacrificing tons of syrian troops...
and being too close to turkey border.. the ideal time for syrian war to end.. is when the terrorit in idlib and turkey raise the white flag... and get tired of the conflict.. those terrorist in idlib needs to be feed, by turkey and their american sponsors.. they will get tired of dying , and leave.. and there is the threat that the opposition to erdogan will reverse every policy of erdogan in syria. so erdogan will not last another 10 years in power.. he is old already and population in turkey will get annoyed by their country interference in syria.. the war will end
when erdogan removed by the major opposition in turkey.. or when erdogan gets tired of aiding terrorist there ,
to get them later destroyed by russia... the key to victory 1)is to play a long game 2)is to always have the upper hand in combat and suffer significant far less casualties than the terrorist.. 3)to make life so miserable for the terrorist in idlib..with a death economy and nothing to do ,so they leave.
4)and there is even another possibility... iranian troops full invasion of iraq to remove americans from there
which they can do.(.since trump will have no money or american support for another major ground war invasion in iraq).. after a full scale war start.. and remove american troops there and then move to syria and clear the entire syrian border of nato backed sunni terrorist.. and so iran setup a buffer zone between turkey and syria.. by capturing idlib them.. that will make sense.. this 4th scenario will make it very possible for a permanent end of the war.. with iran pushing turkey away with the full force of its own military.. then later chinese troops can enter iraq to help keep nato out of it...
never forget ,that you speak about destroying their nest.. and idlib is not their big safe zone.. but turkey is the big nest of terrorism.. that can affect directly syria..
there will be no advance if you disperse them and allow them to hide in turkey border.. so they regroup and return again.. is more practical to play a long long game in idlib where russia more easily can handle.. than to have syrian army engaged in a full scale war with turkey.. and they to send a full army invasion.. which russia can't stop from the side of syria... but can do it only with a declaration of war against turkey , and start dropping tons of missiles in turkey.. such a conflict will be the best gift possible for NATO , to learn everything about
about russian military capabilities.. about their best weapons ,and spy on all their radars and communications and missiles signals in times of a full scale war..
as you might now , im not a fan of putin in any way shape of form.. he is bad for russia.. for being incredibly outdated .(.the syrian war could even have been avoided had russia economy was not so dependent on oil and gas.. since one of the many motivators of the war.. is a pipeline through syria to bypass russia energy business with europe. .) still with all the problems putin allowed to happen by helping his enemies to easily damage their economy (by turning russia in a gas station).. after all those major mistakes done by putin. with the so limited way he develop russia.. once the syrian war have started.. the best possible way to minimize the damages in syria and give them a chance to continue living ,is doing the long term war , that russia military have developed.
and russian airforce and syrian artillery ,make life impossible for anyone terrorist in idlib.. without targeting civilians.. so turkey and nato give up.. which they will do if they see no chance of any progress.. in any way..
for US they could see progress if they give a vietnam to russia in syria and slow down their economy defending
syria.. so for russia is important to slow down the conflict as much as possible.. while making miserable at the same time ,the life of terrorist with their airforce and to continue killing as many as possible of them for ever.
sooner or later ,they will end without terrorist interested to continue fighting there for losing and will just retire
from being used by nato as their ground troops.
in more news..
syrian army tactical retreat from some zones...
seems the terrorist started a massive full scale attack through syrian lines...
https://www.rt.com/news/478968-syrian-army-idlib-militants/
if the syrian army can recover those zones in a short time , it will be bad for terrorist morale..
and send a message of the future that awaits them.. since this was a real major terrorist operation
with turkey army support.
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Wahabbi trash routinely reports civilian deaths from terrorists attacks as "SAA casualties", so anything those flea-infested mongrels have to say can be ignored.