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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:26 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    par far wrote:"New ANNA Video Documents Recent Syrian Army Advance In Southeast Idlib."


    https://southfront.org/new-anna-video-documents-recent-syrian-army-advance-in-southeast-idlib/






    Lets hope they do not advance too far, because Turkey will not put up with it. Turkey is already hosting millions of Syrian refugees.

    Millions of additional refugees pouring across the border into Turkey would cause serious problems, plus the Alawites already rule over more than they should.

    I hope the FSA actually expands its zone in Syria. That would ease the refugee crisis.



    Turkey uses refugees as excuse to go to war with Syria to rebuild Ottoman empire. It's a lie Turkey has millions of refugees. Probably a few thousands at most.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:11 pm

    For those who love maps, here is official russian map of Syrian conflict updated today and as shown to Putin who was in visit in Damascus.

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    Post  par far on Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:35 pm

    "Russia Announces New Ceasefire In Idlib."


    https://southfront.org/russia-announces-new-ceasefire-in-idlib/

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:47 am

    Latest map from Southfront

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:41 pm

    As good if not better than walking round with your notes on view on the front of your pad.  Shocked

    Having listened to it now, not sure the interpretation of what was said is correct.

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    Istanbul Airport: English speaker is U.S envoy to #Syria, James Jeffrey, briefing somebody on the phone while preparing to board a flight to LHR. Members of his team also talking on the phone about their trip and consultations within the region.

    https://twitter.com/aonawaz/status/1216665153426673664

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    LOL

    US Envoy Jeffrey was recorded by @aonawaz at Istanbul airport today following his meetings with Turks

    He briefs someone on phone

    "Our situation with [Turks] in the Northeast [Syria] dramatically improved, situation with Russia in the northeast dramatically disimproved"

    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1216670353768026112
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    Post  par far on Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:06 am

    BREAKING NEWS:

    "Ankara Asked U.S. To Restore Support For Idlib Militants – Report."


    "Turkey has asked the U.S. to restore its support for the remaining militants in Syria’s Greater Idlib, the Syria TV reported on January 16, citing several sources.

    One of the sources told the pro-opposition channel that Turkish officials informed leaders from Greater Idlib of their request during a meeting that was held in Turkey a day earlier. Ankara also promised to support the militants against the ongoing Syrian military attack on the region, according to the source."


    https://southfront.org/ankara-asked-u-s-to-restore-support-for-idlib-militants-report/












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    Idlib needs to be cleaned up, don't do these peace things, just go for it and launch a all out attack. The peace agreements have failed here, the Turks don't want Idlib to be liberated, so they won't honor any peace agreements, the Turks are just using this time to get more weapons and equipment to their proxies.


    https://southfront.org/aleppo-massacre-militants-shelling-killed-injured-over-dozen-of-civilians-photos/





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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:27 am

    Turkish 122mm MRLS masquerading as Grad shelling civilians in Aleppo city. Good thing Putin ended friendship with Erdogan and continue Idlib op to finish off Erdogan backed Qaeda fags. Erdogan is a Hitler who needs a bullet in his brain.

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1217913693343756306
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:35 pm




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    Rebels are still bringing in reinforcements to western Aleppo

    Hopefully they take out many of the AGTM threats before the ground offensive start with armor

    This will be interesting on many levels. Rebels seem to be pooling considerable resources to stop any government offensive in western Aleppo and jobs are on the line for 4th Division commanders if the operation becomes a failure

    It makes sense to me and to others I have spoken to, to delay a ground offensive until large parts of the defensive systems the rebels have built here have been considerably weakened.

    The consequences of an operation here without weakening the enemy considerably WILL be a catastrophe

    That being said, 4th Division tacticians think differently from most people. Anyway, we hope for victory and Syria needs a victory now that money is becoming too useless to be used as toilet paper

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:00 pm

    Video of massive population movement. From the shadows it looks like they could be moving west but unsure of road orientation. Where does all the petrol and diesel come from?


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    a massive movement of displacement begins in southern and southeastern of Idlib..


    https://twitter.com/ConstantinGreco/status/1218538095450173442
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:22 am

    JohninMK wrote:Video of massive population movement. From the shadows it looks like they could be moving west but unsure of road orientation. Where does all the petrol and diesel come from?


    Geo_monitor
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    a massive movement of displacement begins in southern and southeastern of Idlib..


    https://twitter.com/ConstantinGreco/status/1218538095450173442

    All the fuel obviously comes from Turkey. Erdogan = modern day Hitler.

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    Post  nomadski on Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:46 am

    If the forces in IDLIB, have not participated in peace talks, after having opportunity to do so, and after such a long time has passed, since start of civil war, and if these forces have not abandoned their positions or defected and if they increase in streanght or number or by bad advised foreign aid and support. Then this situation only prolong the suffering of Syria.

    In this case, if Syria has the forces needed to displace or defeat them on the ground. Then full offensive should not be delayed. Any civilian casualties are a small price to pay. Refugees can return at end of war. And have a life. This is no life for them, being held hostage to terror and extremism.

    IMHO.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:34 pm

    nomadski wrote:If the forces in IDLIB, have not participated in peace talks, after having opportunity to do so, and after such a long time has passed, since start of civil war, and if these forces have not abandoned their positions or defected and if they increase in streanght or number or by  bad advised foreign aid and support. Then this situation only prolong the suffering of Syria.

    In this  case, if Syria has the forces needed to displace or defeat them on the ground. Then full offensive should not be delayed. Any civilian casualties are a small price to pay. Refugees can return at end of war. And have a life. This is no life for them, being held hostage to terror and extremism.

    IMHO.

    Putin kowtows to Erdogan the modern Hitler.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:11 pm

    The SAA and the Russians seem to be playing a delaying game as, whilst mud is really no-ones friend, this time of year is better for guerilla type armies rather than 'real' armies like theirs.

    Whilst waiting for better weather they are softening up the enemy by making sure that no-one gets too comfortable and those positions/stores/control nodes are disrupted/destroyed as much as possible.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:19 am



    Is a long game.. what putin is playing..
    to very slowly bleed/grind the rebels in remaining parts of idlib and western aleppo..

    it should be more important for russia to kill terrorist ,than to capture territory ,because territory
    can switch hands from side to side.. but a killed terrorist is one terrorist that will not return.. it
    will significantly weaken them... losing dozens of terrorist each day..in an artillery strike..

    take for example 12 terrorist killed by snipers or artillery each day.. non stop..
    means about 1,200 terrorist killed in about 3 months.. and near 5,000 terrorist in 1 year..
    10,000 in two.. 15,000. the will get tired of dying and will leave...and NATO will get tired
    of losing them and give up.

    naturally if they kill 20 terrorist each day..something very easy doable..without any territory advance ,just air strikes,or artillery that is 2,000 in 3 months and 8,000 terrorist killed in just one year.. and ideally 50 terrorist killed per day , that will be close to 20,000 terrorist killed a year.. (18,250) that is more terrorist killed than the ones nato can recruit and train.. russia needs to play a long game ,for when erdogan is no longer in power
    and syrian army have been fully retrained and modernized from top to button ..
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:08 am

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    Disagree. Terror forces in liberated areas are neutralised. A rat needs a nest. Deny a rat a nest, and it dies. All wars are fought on basis of gaining territory. It is like trying to get rid of a weed. A farmer will uproot the pest or weed  than just to cut it down, each time it grows, and come back every season to do the same. So it is a matter of efficient tactics. And about getting rid of small number. Why not get rid of large number at once? Say 20,000 in  one operation. Lasting a few days. Can be done. Not pretty.

    Prolonged wars are to be avoided, for increased costs. Both human and material. The psychological effect of mass losses, make defeat possible. No time for reinforcements or fresh blood. Shock. Death. Terror tactics have been neutralised. By repeated defeats, they have been collected in one area. No chance to hit and run. Must do set battle with regular army. Out gunned, they will be eliminated.
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:51 pm

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (2:10 P.M.) – The Russian Armed Forces have deployed their S-400 air defense system at the Qamishli Airport in northeastern Syria, the Chinese publication Sohu reported on Wednesday.

    “The maximum detection range of the S-400 air defense radar at the Hmeimim Airbase is only 600 kilometers, which means that the Russian S-400 radar can only detect aircraft over most of the border between Iraq and Syria, but not over the border between Iraq and Iran . The most appropriate explanation is that the Russian Air Force sent the 96L6E radar, located at the Hmeimim Airbase, to the Qamishli Airbase in the northeast border region of Syria, which is only 100 kilometers from the Iraqi border,” the publication reported.

    According to the publication, this information was made available after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters that the Russian Armed Forces tracked six F-35 warplanes along the Iran-Iraq border during the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ (IRGC) attack on the U.S. forces inside Iraq.

    The report would be corroborated by the aviation publication Avia.Pro, who also confirmed that if the Russian air defenses did indeed pick up the U.S. aerial presence along the Iran-Iraq border, than it was due to the S-400’s proximity to the Iraq border.

    “Given the Russian S-400’s target detection range, these air defense systems could indeed detect six a-35 fighters near Iran’s borders,” they said.

    It should be noted, however, that while Iran has made similar claims, the U.S. has not commented on Lavrov’s allegations.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:20 pm

    A-50/100s flying over Syria, Caucasus Mountains or the Black/Caspian Sea could probably detect them too.
    Besides, there is OTHR in S. Russia, covered on another thread:
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t196p75-voronezh-ew-radar-news#184522
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:27 pm

    nomadski wrote:@Vann7

    Disagree. Terror forces in liberated areas are neutralised. A rat needs a nest. Deny a rat a nest, and it dies. All wars are fought on basis of gaining territory. It is like trying to get rid of a weed. A farmer will uproot the pest or weed  than just to cut it down, each time it grows, and come back every season to do the same. So it is a matter of efficient tactics. And about getting rid of small number. Why not get rid of large number at once? Say 20,000 in  one operation. Lasting a few days. Can be done. Not pretty.

    Prolonged wars are to be avoided, for increased costs. Both human and material. The psychological effect of mass losses, make defeat possible. No time for reinforcements or fresh blood. Shock. Death. Terror tactics have been neutralised. By repeated defeats, they have been collected in one area. No chance to hit and run. Must do set battle with regular army. Out gunned, they will be eliminated.


    so we agree to disagree..

    If Russia-Syria was to completely start a major bombing campaign flatening idlib to take it quickly over
    a period of days of few weeks.. the sunni sectarian terrorist will just retreat to turkey border avoiding vast majority of its militants being harmed or wouned.. and they just regroup and start over again.. with the entire Turkey artillery hammering syrian army positions from close distance. and turkey army with the help of NATO reinforcements is bigger than syrian one.. and the few iranians/iraquis they get.. so they can hold for far more time..  

    Remember that Erdogan is the enemy too of syria ,and part of the problem..how will you solve that issue of Turkey army?  by being too close to Turkey borders.. you make it easy for Erdogan to target syrian army.. so the  syrian army needs to be at least 30km-40 km from turkey army positions on turkey real territory. that way when erdogan sends military deep into syria ,syrian army can justify its bombing ,because they bombed inside its country and not turkey..  so is huge difference.. a news report..in ankara and in the world, that syria is bombing syria . vs syria bombed a nato ally..on its own borders turkey.. Erdogan could use that to align turkey population behind him.. that turkey territory was attacked..  so this are the propaganda , the syrian army needs to deny
    erdogan...  and so needs to play a long term game instead..

    if you destroy the nest.. in syria.. what about the nest in turkey ?  syria can't bomb in turkey.. neither russia.
    better taken down in idlib all the islamic extremist fanatics ,friendly to alqaeda and isis.. than they to move to
    russia and fight russia with terrorism in their cities... it will be very easy for them to enter in russia as "tourist".. and later create problems there..

    so let idlib become the bait ,to the rats... if you want to kill rats.. best way is to place a trap with a bait... and idlib is that bait... that way all the rats will concentrate in just one single city.. and will make it easier for russia to bomb them.. than to bomb them in all middle east.. had they just leave..

    the ideal time for the war in syria to end.. is not by capturing idlib fast sacrificing tons of syrian troops...
    and being too close to turkey border.. the ideal time for syrian war to end.. is when the terrorit in idlib and turkey raise the white flag... and get tired of the conflict.. those terrorist in idlib needs to be feed, by turkey and their american sponsors.. they will get tired of dying , and leave..  and there is the threat that  the opposition to erdogan will reverse every policy of erdogan in syria. so erdogan will not last another 10 years in power.. he is old already and population in turkey will get annoyed by their country interference in syria..  the war will end
    when erdogan removed by the major opposition in turkey.. or when erdogan gets tired of aiding terrorist there ,
    to get them later destroyed by russia...  the key to victory 1)is to play a long game  2)is to always have the upper hand in combat and suffer significant far less casualties than the terrorist.. 3)to make life so miserable for the terrorist in idlib..with a death economy and nothing to do ,so they leave.

    4)and there is even another possibility... iranian troops full invasion of iraq to remove americans from there
    which they can do.(.since trump will have no money or american support for another major ground war invasion in iraq).. after a full scale war start.. and remove american troops there and then move to syria and clear the entire syrian border of nato backed sunni terrorist.. and so iran setup a buffer zone between turkey and syria.. by capturing idlib them.. that will make sense.. this 4th scenario will make it very possible for a permanent end of the war.. with iran pushing turkey away with the full force of its own military.. then later chinese troops can enter iraq to help keep nato out of it...

    never forget ,that you speak about destroying their nest.. and idlib is not their big safe zone.. but turkey is the big nest of terrorism.. that can affect directly syria..
    there will be no advance if you disperse them and allow them to hide in turkey border.. so they regroup and return again..  is more practical to play a long long game in idlib where russia more easily can handle.. than to have syrian army engaged in a full scale war with turkey.. and they to send a full army invasion.. which russia can't stop from the side of syria... but can do it only with a declaration of war against turkey , and start dropping tons of missiles in turkey.. such a conflict will be the best gift possible for NATO , to learn everything about
    about russian military capabilities.. about their best weapons ,and spy on all their radars and communications and missiles signals in times of a full scale war..

    as you might now , im not a fan of putin in any way shape of form.. he is bad for russia.. for being incredibly outdated .(.the syrian war could even have been avoided had russia economy was not so dependent on oil and gas.. since one of the many motivators of the war.. is a pipeline through syria to bypass russia energy business with europe. .) still with all the problems putin allowed to happen by helping his enemies to easily damage their economy (by turning russia in a gas station).. after all those major mistakes done by putin. with the so limited way he develop russia.. once the syrian war have started.. the best possible way to minimize the damages in syria and give them a chance to continue living ,is doing the long term war , that russia military have developed.
    and russian airforce and syrian artillery ,make life impossible for anyone terrorist in idlib.. without targeting civilians.. so turkey and nato give up.. which they will do if they see no chance of any progress.. in any way..
    for US they could see progress if they give a vietnam to russia in syria and slow down their economy defending
    syria.. so for russia is important to slow down the conflict as much as possible.. while making miserable at the same time ,the life of terrorist with their airforce and to continue killing as many as possible of them for ever. Wink
    sooner or later ,they will end without terrorist interested to continue fighting there for losing and will just retire
    from being used by nato as their ground troops.

    in more news..

    syrian army tactical retreat from some zones...
    seems the terrorist started a massive full scale attack through syrian lines...

    https://www.rt.com/news/478968-syrian-army-idlib-militants/

    if the syrian army can recover those zones in a short time , it will be bad for terrorist morale..
    and send a message of the future that awaits them.. since this was a real major terrorist operation
    with turkey army support.



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    Post  Azi on Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:31 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    bla, bla....

    bla, bla....

    in more news..

    syrian army tactical retreat from some zones...
    seems the terrorist started a massive full scale attack through syrian lines...

    https://www.rt.com/news/478968-syrian-army-idlib-militants/

    if the syrian army can recover those zones in a short time , it will be bad for terrorist morale..
    and send a message of the future that awaits them.. since this was a real major terrorist operation
    with turkey army support.

    It's good that terrorist attacks, because it's a meat grinder. For an successful attack you need a majority of 3:1...and you will loose a lot of soldiers. So an attack is good for SAA, because it will weaken the terrorists in long term.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:24 pm

    To be honest the Idlib battle won't start until Erdogan is out of power. Putin kowtow to Erdogan too much.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:16 am

    new report...



    use youtube substitles . auto translate -->english

    anna news ...best channel of the syrian conflict..   Smile

    based on the graphics alone..
    seems there have been some moderate new advances today for syrian army..after losing some territory
    but not sure.. the auto translate is far from perfect.

    this back and forth between SAA and the terrorist will continue ..and the more closer to turkey border..
    the most dangerous for them.. they should focus in killing terrorist as many as possible.. and not so much
    in holding territory unless is critical the position. to hold..

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:41 pm

    another advance of syrian army..  isnt this obvious this is a dance?

    3 steps forward and 1 step back... by the syrian military.. what is important is that
    they consistently continue advancing.. and the headchoopers consistently continue losing
    their captured lands..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGHXRG1nsUc




    don't consider it a complete success for SAA,because they lost hundreds of soldiers.. they need to
    do operations without losing much soldiers.. or none at all.. if possible..
    still is good news.

    Syria needs attack drones to improve their efficiency..

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:26 am

    Maarat al-Numan facing a double envelopment.

    The Syrian Army and its allies besieged the militant stronghold of Maarat Al-Numan cutting off the M5 highway north and south of the city. According to pro-militant sources, government troops are now aiming to outflank the city from the southwestern direction and fully encircle it.

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    Good going SAA. cheers  Roast those Wahabbi maggots and listen to 'em pop. Laughing

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:34 am

    Vann7 wrote:don't consider it a complete success for SAA,because they lost hundreds of soldiers..

    Any source for this that doesn't come from Jihadist goat-raper media?   Suspect Wahabbi trash routinely reports civilian deaths from terrorists attacks as "SAA casualties", so anything those flea-infested mongrels have to say can be ignored.

    Go SAA! Kill them all, with attitude.

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