Syrian War: News #20

ahmedfire wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/ObservatoryLY/videos/1811634865637426/

This video raised yesterday ,i'm not sure it's new or old one but it's showing the airstrikes on the turkish forces or their terrorists .

Video is a few days old now. Think its already been posted but can't be bothered to look

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Isos wrote: US to Turkey : "Fuck off"

Sky News
@SkyNews
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.@OIRSpox Colonel Myles Caggins says the #Idlib province is a "magnet" for terrorist groups who are a "nuisance, a menace and a threat" to the hundreds of thousands of civilians in Syria, who are just "trying to make it through the winter."

@aldin_ww
Russian Air Force drone filming Turkish T-155 Firtina firing at Syrian Government Forces in support of rebel offensive earlier today

https://mobile.twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1230499259767717889

So much so for the Western "freedom" and "democracy."

Milosevic's Yugoslavia was a super democracy in comparison to the Alawite regime in Syria, but guess who got bombed and overthrown by NATO and its proxies.

Turkey should not count on these shits.

If Russia does something stupid to Turkey I do not think anybody will ever take seriously an alliance with Russia.

Turkey invested so much in its friendship with Russia, but an anti-Russian Ukraine gets free natural gas and free money from Russia.

Where is the logic here?

The logic is that Russia already has an ally - Syria. Why should it not protect Syrian soldiers?

Putin acquised to Turkish action in Syria, but within certain parameters. Erdogan was after all hardly invited by anyone in Damascus. He spent the last 8 years flooding Syria with jihadists at the behest of the US on the one hand, but more than that he was trying to do his own thing; like in Libya now as well. When it became clear the Muslim Brotherhood won't manage to take power in Syria through this war, he started just chomping off parts of Syria's territory and wielding them as protectorates. Above all, he simply doesn't know when to call it quits and bug out, like Saudi Arabia and even the USA did to some extent.

The refugee crisis in Turkey is the same result of Erdogan's policies towards Syria. So is the renewed war with the PKK, Erdo himself broke off the peace process

Now Russia offered Turkey a way to resolve all this, signed several treaties, roadmaps. They weren't followed, and instead Turkey justified its presence in Syria with humanitarian rhetoric about refugees; the same ones it generated through all its actions since 2011.

There was an opportunity to settle the Idlib issue without any fighting, without any loss of face for Turkey, with the ability to return refugees from Turkey and guarantee some Turkish security interests.
This wasn't followed, Idlib will be done the hard way.

Up to Erdogan whether he wants the same pattern to repeat for Jarablus, Afrin and the claimed safe-zone in North-East Syria, or whether he's ready to play ball and adhere to signed agreements, gradually regulate the conflict without a single further loss of life and making all efforts to ensure that Turkey's security interests are appeased.

Vann7 wrote:

there was many real turkey soldiers participating in the offensive..
in  al-Nairab.  if the video alone ,and another i saw.. appear to be 30 to 50 of them..
so either 2 killed and all other were lucky.. or the numbers of turkey army casualties
were very high and hidden by Russia .. .  according to some media ..anna news
claim 250 military groups were killed.. . and sana news .. the official media of syria
says about 200 killed..  probably most of them htc militants.. but from 30 to 50 turkey soldiers
had to be there helping.. if the videos are any indication..

https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/1230443986298580992

https://twitter.com/Kyruer/status/1230489594061377536

The two killed were in a tank that a Su-24M bombed, along with several other vehicles (which were manned by HTS instead)

So they bombed the armored vehicles, not Turkish infantry.

PapaDragon wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:...If Russia does something stupid to Turkey I do not think anybody will ever take seriously an alliance with Russia.

Turks signed a deal and then tried to weasel out of it in clumsiest lamest way possible, that ain't exactly behavior of someone you would be seriously​ making alliance with

That's a good point

@ Flamming python

"...... Up to Erdogan whether he wants the same pattern to repeat for Jarablus, Afrin and the claimed safe-zone in North-East Syria, or whether he's ready to play ball and adhere to signed agreements, gradually regulate the conflict without a single further loss of life and making all efforts to ensure that Turkey's security interests are appeased..... "

I think Russia and Syria and Iran should keep open the door for peace. But once it is shown that a party to an agreement fails to keep to their side of plan. Then this shows weakness of plan itself. The planners failing to take into account, some political reality on the ground. In this case, the political forces present in Turkey. Chaos. Must not argue with madman. No plan possible.

@ Vann7

".... because the Neirab battles after the terrorist temporarily occupy it and hours later kicked ...
it was reported that they returned again and major fights continue..  Russian airforce will have
to be very careful with the timing of their attacks... because Turkey could send a few terrorist
to start the fight and wait until russian airforce drops.... "

Agree. The SAA needs to fine tune tactics. Ready for rapid advance and retreat. And to have planes in air 24/7. But also SAA can coordinate with artillery. On retreat, leave markers on ground. Once Rats reach position. Easily seen by binoculars. Then artillery already zero in. Immediate hit. For planes, smoke marker. Set alight, when Rats reach position.

Some Kurd leader also supposedly said, ready to work with SAA against any adversary. In order for this to work then all Syrian Kurd forces must publish new constitution. Rejecting separatism. And rejecting armed struggle. And write in constitution of Syria. When done, then the Kurds disband armed unit and join Syrian army. And jointly and simultaneously attack Turk and yank forces in Syria. The SAA, can not be a tool for Kurd separatist ambitions.

JohninMK wrote:

ahmedfire wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/ObservatoryLY/videos/1811634865637426/

This video raised yesterday ,i'm not sure it's new or old one but it's showing the airstrikes on the turkish forces or their terrorists .

Video is a few days old now. Think its already been posted but can't be bothered to look

Look at these beautiful photos

The two killed were in a tank that a Su-24M bombed, along with several other vehicles (which were manned by HTS instead)

Yes they are tank crew .

ahmedfire wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

ahmedfire wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/ObservatoryLY/videos/1811634865637426/

This video raised yesterday ,i'm not sure it's new or old one but it's showing the airstrikes on the turkish forces or their terrorists .

Video is a few days old now. Think its already been posted but can't be bothered to look

Look at these beautiful photos

Su-24's getting SWEET SWEET revenge against Turdish vehicles! What's the most common military abbreviation for the middle finger? I think its: SVP-24.

It's a Model of a T-72 seen more than enough of those in life to know that tank.

It's too small to be a Leo, It's too short and long to be a Patton model. Plus the back parts and the turret give it away.

I think it's a t-62M. The protection of the front/sides of the turret is typically used on t62M. Maybe it was captured.

Not really there are T-72 types in Syria that aren't shown on the web, homemade done things. The turret is too small to be a T-62's.

T-62's have taller but not as wide turrets, T-72's are lower but wider ones and the turret in that image is too wide for a T-62

Syrian_MC
@Syrian_MC
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2h
Moments ago
The Turkish backed Jihadists in Qaminas in Idlib again tried to shoot down the Russian plane but this time the spy plane Tu-214R with a Turkish supplied MANPADS but with no success (i wonder why)

US confirms Turkey has requested Patriot deployment

Starting to get serious but it does look like a Turkish OP. Video at link https://twitter.com/MathieuMorant/status/1230855940649504769


Within Syria
@WithinSyriaBlog
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2h
Yesterday Turkey's Akar claimed that Russian forces are not the target of his army in Idlib, yet his troops knowalngly attmpted to shot down a Russian Su-24 over Idlib, not just once, twice.
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3h
The type of missile used [Stinger], and location the missile launched from [well guarded Turkish post] confirm without any doubts that Turkish forced attempted to shot down a Russian Su-24 yesterday around Qaminas in southern Idlib in support of the NFL and al-Qaeda's HTS.





Within Syria
@WithinSyriaBlog
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3h
Confirming that the building the MANPADS launched from is a Turkish post, in the corner you can note a Turkish BMC Kirpi guarding the enterince to the building with its remote weapons station active. Also you can note hesco-barriers usually installed around Turkish posts.

3h
Of curse, the building the MANPADS were launched from is very likely inside and a part of the Turkish post in Qaminas. Communation intanas usually installed in these posts can be spotted on the building. Will leave the confrontation to @obretix





Within Syria
@WithinSyriaBlog
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The two missiles which targeted a Russian Su-24 over Idlib yesterday were for sure U.S.-made Stringer MANPADS. The sight of the system can be clearly reconized in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGmgWR

Isos wrote:Syrian_MC
@Syrian_MC
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2h
Moments ago
The Turkish backed Jihadists in Qaminas in Idlib again tried to shoot down the Russian plane but this time the spy plane Tu-214R with a Turkish supplied MANPADS but with no success (i wonder why)

Here is the video

Yes the turks were attempting to bring the aircraft down with MANPADS and would then have blamed it on HTS.

If this was the US, we would have bombed them to hell in response to tell Turkey. "if you want to play that game we can and we will destroy you, remember your place". Putin is showing weakness to Erdo in this regard.

The more you leave attacks unanswered the more brazen the turks will become.

Btw Russia did not know Turkish troops wherein the tank it thought it was HTS members, So the russians did not purposely kill those guys.