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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:49 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I think you have zero idea about concept of necessity and need when of use.  Zvezda was also tasked in upgrading/working on existing nuclear subs as well.  If they have to hold back development for need of the government, then they will.

    funny too, that I said they can and even you admit that they have the ability and slipway to do it yet you call me the stupid one. You clearly are a liar.  Go walk in the syrian desert you claimed you were in Laughing  Go read GarryB's post btw.

    I don't think they do not, has they haven't moved the carrier to that area to work on it. WHY because the slipways they would need to work on it aren't operational as of now and WHEN they are those slots are going to LNG tankers back to back orders of them, the Kuz would not be able to use those docks for years and years. Those LNG Tankers are far more important to the Russians than the kuz is

    So save your crap, I didn't call you stupid first nor did I call you stupid because I said they "can't do that", actually no they can't use Zveasda to fix the Kuz because the dry docks for a ship of that size aren't ready yet and won't be for a while yet.

    So yeah they can't work on it in that shipyard. Not yet anyways.

    I called you stupid in response and the fact you are wonderful ignorant with shipbuilding and keep preaching about something that isn't going to happen, "Zvesda can fix it" No they can't no slipway big enough that is operational and they aren't going to hold off building the LNG tankers for years and years over it, So be satly all you want.

    Blame the workers who nearly sunk the thing and the dock russia needed for it.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:52 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
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    Welcome to shipbuilding, The loss of PTD-50 was large for Russia.

    If it was such a loss, then they can build another four of them... two in Russia and give the contracts for the other two to South Korea and China... PTD-50 wasn't made in Russia and there is no reason why its replacements need to be, but it would be useful work for a Russian shipyard to build nonetheless.

    I seem to remember the PTD-50 was made in Sweden in the 1980s or something, so it is time to build a new one anyway.


    The problem is this would require 2-3 years min to have the new one + 2-3 years for Kuz to repair.  What makes it questionable investment. So for Kuz this might be actually a death sentence.

    And shipyard could be only in Russia or China.




    I mean asking the SK's to do it is the way to go they could get it done in a year, If I was Russia I would order a few from SK now.

    That they would be done quickly and to a higher quality then what the Russians could do, I mean hey it's SK. They are the kings at Shipbuilding no shame paying for them to make you floating docks.

    One can say unless the Russians figure something out and fast, The kuz is dead.

    They have perhaps one area that can get it out of the water but they would need to tow her and for a very very long trip. Which is a very big problem since if a cable snaps or something goes wrong they could easily lose the ship.

    Kuz is in pretty deep trouble right now and they aren't sure what to do about it.
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    Post  Guest on Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:49 pm

    I love how people presume Russians can build such a large floating dock replacement in some quick run. Fun fact, they never made anything of such scale in that field. Its like you expect from Serbian Yugoimport and TRZ Čačak to suddenly start producing tanks. We dont know jack shit about tanks anymore, we can repair them relying on 10 countries to provide spares. Beside wish to do something you need means and will.

    As i said before there is a reason why even USSR was bying ships in Sweden and Japan, and maritime tooling. Because there were, are and will be better. There is reason for an example why India is buying T-90MS over additional procurement of local junk they call a tank. Its available, its working, its better and cheaper than what you have, and you can have it soon.

    I am not sure why people on this forum are so stubborn at defending some weird imaginary capabilities of Russia in fields it does not deserve tbh. Fyi company i currently work in is making hydraulic pistons and rings for both Ukrainian and Russian defence companies, reason, they both suck at making it properly. This company bought the know-how back in 80s from Sweden, still uses German and Swedish machines from 80s and 90s and still does it better than Russians on new Yamazaki CNCs.

    So spare us about legendary shipbuilding feats its silly.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:52 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    I mean asking the SK's to do it is the way to go they could get it done in a year, If I was Russia I would order a few from SK now.

    technically you're right. Thought politically SK would stop at any time if US would order to


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    One can say unless the Russians figure something out and fast, The kuz is dead.

    They have perhaps one area that can get it out of the water but they would need to tow her and for a very very long trip. Which is a very big problem since if a cable snaps or something goes wrong they could easily lose the ship.

    Kuz is in pretty deep trouble right now and they aren't sure what to do about it.

    True, I hope thought MoD can find the way to save Kuz...Would be a pity to loose only CV for a time being.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:02 am

    Militarov wrote:
    I am not sure why people on this forum are so stubborn at defending some weird imaginary capabilities of Russia in fields it does not deserve tbh. Fyi company i currently work in is making hydraulic pistons and rings for both Ukrainian and Russian defence companies, reason, they both suck at making it properly. This company bought the know-how back in 80s from Sweden, still uses German and Swedish machines from 80s and 90s and still does it better than Russians on new Yamazaki CNCs.

    So spare us about legendary shipbuilding feats its silly.

    I agree with docks, however now nobody would sell a dock to Russia - US would just stop transaction pressing on Japan/Sweden.

    As for hydraulics, I would not go that far. Your products might be good quality, proven and used in legacy designs with competitive pricing. But please dont tell me Russians cannot build new designs n0r use new tech.
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    Post  Guest on Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:13 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    I am not sure why people on this forum are so stubborn at defending some weird imaginary capabilities of Russia in fields it does not deserve tbh. Fyi company i currently work in is making hydraulic pistons and rings for both Ukrainian and Russian defence companies, reason, they both suck at making it properly. This company bought the know-how back in 80s from Sweden, still uses German and Swedish machines from 80s and 90s and still does it better than Russians on new Yamazaki CNCs.

    So spare us about legendary shipbuilding feats its silly.

    I agree with docks, however now nobody would sell a dock to Russia - US would just stop transaction pressing on Japan/Sweden.

    As for hydraulics, I would not go that far.  Your products might be  good quality, proven and used  in legacy designs with competitive  pricing.  But please dont tell me  Russians cannot build new designs  n0r use new tech.

    No jokes here, Russian company that applied for same tender lost due to QC issues and higher price than us, and they procured whole new machining line in last 3 years from SK and Japan. Chinese company that applied too lost due to subpair materials used. We use steel rolled in Slovenia.

    China most likely would deliver dock, i dont see why not. South Korea most likely would too, as floating dry dock is not military exclusive tech i dont think US would react there, but you never know.

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    Previous company that was supplying same parts was from Netherlands.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:46 am

    Isos wrote:
    1 billion $ for upgarding a shipyard to be able to build a carrier. And 3 other for the carrier building.  

    Sell the Kuznetsov to India for 300 million $ and invest in su-57k.

    All thanks to Trump. Very Happy


    earning more moneys is great but keeping Iran and Venezuela out of US reach has even more value.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:54 am

    This place continues to degenerate with endless fuktardishness from people who really should know better...

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    The problem is this would require 2-3 years min to have the new one + 2-3 years for Kuz to repair.  What makes it questionable investment. So for Kuz this might be actually a death sentence.

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    One can say unless the Russians figure something out and fast, The kuz is dead.

    Kuz is in pretty deep trouble right now and they aren't sure what to do about it.

    Isos wrote:Sell the Kuznetsov to India for 300 million $ and invest in su-57k

    Wow.... it really is amateur hour here at RDF. So many have caught the Chicken-Little disease.  Maybe the forum has suffered a bio-weapon attack?  Laughing

    On a note of real-world-ism, does anyone have a real and factual account of the Kuz conditions and what remains to be completed below the waterline?  Not interested in ill-informed opinions of idiots who know fuck-all and just make up shit, I mean actual legitimate info from people who are involved or have seen the vessel with their own Mk1 eyeballs?

    Photo taken 12-Apr-2019 of the K at Murmansk.  She's not just sitting idle awaiting the executioners axe....  Some lifts are clearly under way, though replacement radar still to be installed to top of mast.

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    Another image from similar timeframe (previously posted by verkhoturye51), seems to show replacement of the deck coatings.  This could be part of the general repair program, but could also be linked to repair of damage from the lay-down of the PD-50 crane.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:44 am

    That is just surface level work, They cannot fix the engines at that dock yes call people names when you don't have the idea, YOU DO REALIZE THE PROPULSION IS STILL FUCKED.

    They need to get the entire ship out of the water to fix that.

    I swear, really ignorance is ignorance.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:49 am

    Militarov wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    I am not sure why people on this forum are so stubborn at defending some weird imaginary capabilities of Russia in fields it does not deserve tbh. Fyi company i currently work in is making hydraulic pistons and rings for both Ukrainian and Russian defence companies, reason, they both suck at making it properly. This company bought the know-how back in 80s from Sweden, still uses German and Swedish machines from 80s and 90s and still does it better than Russians on new Yamazaki CNCs.

    So spare us about legendary shipbuilding feats its silly.

    I agree with docks, however now nobody would sell a dock to Russia - US would just stop transaction pressing on Japan/Sweden.

    As for hydraulics, I would not go that far.  Your products might be  good quality, proven and used  in legacy designs with competitive  pricing.  But please dont tell me  Russians cannot build new designs  n0r use new tech.

    No jokes here, Russian company that applied for same tender lost due to QC issues and higher price than us, and they procured whole new machining line in last 3 years from SK and Japan. Chinese company that applied too lost due to subpair materials used. We use steel rolled in Slovenia.

    China most likely would deliver dock, i dont see why not. South Korea most likely would too, as floating dry dock is not military exclusive tech i dont think US would react there, but you never know.

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    Previous company that was supplying same parts was from Netherlands.

    Oh nyu you said Russia lost a contract due to QC and time? you NATO TROLL, being serious yes. People here love to pretend Russia has some feats and ability in shipbuilding it doesn't, then acts like childern when someone says otherwise.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:18 am

    Btw, a floating dock for Zvezda was produced at the Chinese shipyard Qingdao Beihai Shipbuilding Heavy Industry Co., Ltd. (BSIC).

    They could ask for a couple of bigger floating dry docks there.

    http://www.sskzvezda.ru/index.php/en/project/snabjenets/9-news-en/193-unique-40-000-ton-lifting-capacity-floating-dock-delivered-on-zvezda-shipyard
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:43 am

    That floating docks max capacity is 40k tons Kuz weighs the lightest 45k tons.

    So that Floating Dock is too small.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:33 am

    Zvezda only has a few docks that could handle a ship like the Kuz you think every slipway can fit that carrier? LOL please, The more you talk the more you show me you don't know jack about what your peaching

    And why do you think it got funding for all the upgrades to build bigger vessels... including nuclear propelled vessels... they were designed specifically to build carriers and larger cruisers for the Russian Navy, that was the purpose of paying South Korea all that money.

    I would suggest that there will be several slipways able to handle large 300+m long ships... the place is expected to build large LNG and crude oil tankers afterall...

    Tankers to export LNG and petrol are a higher priority than kuznetsov for Russia.

    And if the US decides to blockade Venezuela how many LNG tankers will it take to break that blockade?

    And when US companies take over Venezuelan oil resources and start pumping crude and the value of oil drops to $5 a barrel how many of those crude oil tankers will Russia be building?

    Sell the Kuznetsov to India for 300 million $ and invest in su-57k.

    Why would they do something that stupid?

    How could they get a platform that can carry 24 Su-33s or 24 MiG-29KRs anywhere on the planet for that price to replace what the K can do for them?

    Blame the workers who nearly sunk the thing and the dock russia needed for it.

    The floating dock that sank was a worn out unreliable piece of crap anyway... they could do with buying new ones to replace them anyway.

    The South Koreans or Chinese should be able to crank a couple out for them in no time and they could also do with the practise of making a few themselves...

    That they would be done quickly and to a higher quality then what the Russians could do, I mean hey it's SK. They are the kings at Shipbuilding no shame paying for them to make you floating docks.

    They have already paid them to upgrade and modify the Zvezda shipyard...

    One can say unless the Russians figure something out and fast, The kuz is dead.

    They need to rename it Lazarus for the number of times western experts have claimed its days are numbered... but it never seems to die, simply because those experts neglect to take in to account that even just tied to a pier it offers training opportunities that the alternative of nothing does not.

    As i said before there is a reason why even USSR was bying ships in Sweden and Japan, and maritime tooling.

    Yes, of course... if there is something that demands respect it is Swedish SSBNs and Japanese fighter planes.

    Perhaps it is time to invest in Russian yards instead of buying from foreign countries... Russia has never made a Stealth fighter before but its first attempt looks pretty damn good and certainly better than Swedens effort.

    No jokes here, Russian company that applied for same tender lost due to QC issues and higher price than us, and they procured whole new machining line in last 3 years from SK and Japan. Chinese company that applied too lost due to subpair materials used. We use steel rolled in Slovenia.

    Oh grow up... you out priced a Russian company, that does not mean they can't make it themselves... clearly it proves they actually can.

    It is a floating dock, not a space capsule for a rocket ship... they could wield a couple together and get the capacity they need.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:34 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:That floating docks max capacity is 40k tons Kuz weighs the lightest 45k tons.

    So that Floating Dock is too small.

    Where did I say that they will use that?

    I just said that they can order a bigger drydock (with a larger capacity) from the same shipyard that last year delivered a drydock to Zvezda
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:37 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:That floating docks max capacity is 40k tons Kuz weighs the lightest 45k tons.

    So that Floating Dock is too small.

    Where did I say that they will use that?

    I just said that they can order a bigger drydock (with a larger capacity) from the same shipyard that last year delivered a drydock to Zvezda

    My bad then thought you implied they could use that.

    But yes you are 100 percent right and that is the WAY to go, order some through SK it will get done faster and better then what Russia could do. There is no reason not to do this unless Russia cannot afford it, they could always make some on their own later, but they need some NOW.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:44 pm

    @Garry

    Yes Zvesda will have docks that could fit the could but again the docks aren't ready for use yet and won't be until the early 2020's, the finishing date for the upgrade is supposed to be 2022 or 2024.

    However, its space for ships of that size are limited it doesn't go past four for a ship of that size.

    I think it would only have 2-3 slots for a ship the size of Kuz and those spots are going to be occupied for years to come, Also for the DD's there is no plans to build them at that shipyard, there are what two shipyards sides Zvesda that have docks capable of making ships of that tonnage which is under 20k.

    The carrier will be built at Zvesda but not the DD's those will be constructed elsewhere again Zvesda has limited space.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:05 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:That is just surface level work, They cannot fix the engines at that dock yes call people names when you don't have the idea, YOU DO REALIZE THE PROPULSION IS STILL FUCKED.

    They need to get the entire ship out of the water to fix that.

    I swear, really ignorance is ignorance.

    I thought I had been quite clear. "Not interested in ill-informed opinions of idiots who know fuck-all and just make up shit"

    FYI the faulty boilers have been replaced already.  Tell me, if the propulsion system is "still fucked" and works have been suspended due to PD-50 sinking, where are the entries cut into the hull and/or deck to permit access to engine rooms and machinery spaces???

    There aren't any...  cuz they've been re-closed after completion of the heavy lifts and install work. Ongoing works are internal, piping and electrical hook-ups, equipment upgrades and testing.

    FFS, the work below the waterline was COMPLETE before they started the move from the PD-50......

    Buddy, you must be the most incompetent propagandist in this forum...   pwnd
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:33 am

    Looking for info on vladivostok shipyard, I found this old article from 2009.

    To which shipyard they are referring to? It cannot have been zvezda, since it is in balshoy kamen.

    Is this this one?
    http://vostokraffles.ru/about/ and if so, is it related to Zvezda?


    http://www.turkishmaritime.com.tr/mobi/new-shipyard-in-vladivostok-3384h.htm

    Russia and China are set to sign an agreement on building a large shipyard in the city of Vladivostok.
    New shipyard in Vladivostok

    16 October 2009 Friday 12:31

    Russia and China are set to sign an agreement on building a large shipyard in the city of Vladivostok.

    Russia and China are set to sign an agreement on building a large shipyard in the city of Vladivostok. $200m is expected to be spent on the yard, which sees Yantai Raffles of China and United Shipbuilding Corporation of Russia coming together. Yantai Raffles, founded by Singaporean Brian Cheng, was taken over recently by CIMC, the world"s largest container manufacturer. Yantai Raffles is an offshore specialist, based at the northern tip of Shandong province. Its yard contains the world"s largest gantry crane, the 20,000 t Taisun.

    Russian shipbuilders are anxious to climb the technology ladder and a number of agreements have been signed between local and leading Korean yards. The signing is the first between China and Russia.


    Are there other shipyards in the far east that can build big ships? I read that vostochnoya verf in Vladivostok received an order for 22800 small corvette/missile ship, but it is a small ship. Can they only cope with low tonnage ships? In its russian wiki page it was written
    google translate wrote:
    By the end of 2013, the complete computerization of the enterprise was completed. The capacity of the enterprise allows building ships and ships with a displacement of up to 2.5 thousand tons

    In addition in Vladivostok there is the ship repair center dalzavod that was planned to be modernised to be able to repair mistral class helicopter carrier.
    Dalzavod ship repair center will specialize in the repair of surface ships and submarines. As part of the modernization, a dry dock will be reconstructed, a Varshavyanka-type submarine repair center will be created, a repair quay for universal landing ships of the Mistral type will be built [4] . Construction of a slipway and synchrolift with a capacity of 5,000 tons, commissioning of a floating dock with a capacity of 35,600 tons, construction of a shelter for year-round operation over dry dock No. 1 is envisaged. The reconstruction program is designed for 15 years (2012–2027), the investment in the first 5 years will be 13 billion rubles.
    has this been done?. Apparently they are using yo upgrade udaloy class destroyers...

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201802161061716699-russia-pacific-navy-destroyer-fire/
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:32 am

    So a large shipyard in the far east built with China in addition to the large shipyard in the far east built with South Korea... almost as if they are planning to build and operate large ships... spooky...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:02 am

    I believe minor work was done but the project was canceled and no major progress was ever made
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:44 am

    Just found this regarding vostok-raffles shipyard in Vladivostok (article from 2017)

    http://www.eworldship.com/html/2017/Shipyards_0324/126161.html


    Google translate wrote:Zhenhua Heavy Industry ( stock ) enters the Russian market and will cooperate with Russia's largest shipbuilding group, the Russian Federation Shipbuilding Group, in the field of shipbuilding and shipbuilding equipment production.

    The Russian United Shipbuilding Group stated that on March 22, the company signed a memorandum of understanding on cooperation and joint operations with Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industry (Group) Co., Ltd. The two sides agreed to establish a working group and develop a road map for the implementation of the content of the memorandum.

    Sources pointed out that Russia and the United Shipbuilding Group and Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industries said the two sides intend to achieve Zhenhua Heavy Industries modern marine equipment localization of production work in Russia for the construction of floating crane ( Product Library Buy supplies ), pipes and cables ( Product library purchase and supply ) laying ship, dredging ship, super large cargo ship, drilling platform ( ship type shipyard trading ) auxiliary ship.

    The Russian United Shipbuilding Group (USC) was established in 2007, integrating 100% of the state-owned joint-stock companies in Russia's domestic shipbuilding industry, and Russia's largest shipbuilding group. The group has a total of 33 ship design and construction shipyards. The newly established head office consists of nine construction bureaus and three regional shipbuilding centres. The Western Shipbuilding Center consists of seven companies; the Northwest Shipbuilding Center consists of five companies; and the Far East Shipbuilding Center consists of 10 companies. There are both military shipyards and civilian shipyards.

    In the following years, the Russian United Shipbuilding Group established two large shipyards, Zvezda DSME and Vostok-Raffles, in the Far East through cooperation with foreign companies (including Daewoo Shipbuilding and Yantai Raffles). In September 2016, Hyundai Heavy Industries ( ship hangar location ) established a joint venture with the Russian Joint Shipbuilding Far East Shipbuilding and Repairing Center (Russian United Shipbuilding Holding Company) to focus on ship design and shipbuilding project management.

    It is understood that Zhenhua Heavy Industry has already prepared for entering Russia. In November 2015, Zhenhua Heavy Industries' Russian subsidiary was formally incorporated. Russia's strong industrial base, research strength in metal materials, welding ( Product Library Buy Supply ) technology, wear-resistant corrosion made great achievements, but the overall infrastructure is weak, Zhenhua Port Machinery and equipment, marine vessels The market potential is huge.

    The cooperation with the Russian joint shipbuilding group has laid a solid foundation for Zhenhua Heavy Industry to further develop the Russian and CIS countries.

    Furthermore, in their own website it is written that the shipyard should be build in 2021/2024

    http://vostokraffles.ru/about/


    VOSTOK-RAFFLS Joint-Stock Company (hereinafter referred to as the Company) was registered on 07.05.2010 in Vladivostok and is a joint venture of the Far Eastern Shipbuilding and Repair Center JSC and the Singapore-based VOSTOK OFFSHORE PTE . LTD ”included in the group of companies of PJSC“ NK “Rosneft”.

    The main purpose of the Society is to implement the project of a modern shipyard for offshore shipbuilding in the Far East of Russia. The construction site of the new shipbuilding complex of Vostok-Raffles JSC is located in the Bay of Five Hunters of the Ussuri Bay in the Shkotovsky district of the Primorsky Territory. The project to create a shipyard of offshore shipbuilding JSC "Vostok Ruffles" is the II stage of construction of the SCC "Zvezda" (the planned construction period 2021-2024 ).

    http://vostokraffles.ru/proekty/


    The shipbuilding complex “Zvezda” is located at two sites in the southern part of the Primorsky Territory on the western coast of Peter the Great Bay of the Sea of ​​Japan, on the coast of the Ussuriysk Gulf in the Bolshoy Kamen Bay and in the Bay of Five Hunters.

    The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).

    The project is implemented in 3 stages.

    Stage 1 - Block production facilities and painting chambers.

    Phase 2 - Open outbuilding heavy stocks with saturation workshops, dry dock and outbuilding workshops.

    Stage 3 - Workshop unit and dry dock in Mysovaya settlement ( Vostok-Raffles site)

    Design is carried out in two stages.

    The essence of a two-stage design is that the documentation necessary for construction is not compiled immediately, but in stages: at the first stage (“I stage”) decisions are made on general issues of principle, then such decisions are comprehensively evaluated, corrected, approved and only after elimination of all identified deficiencies detailed working documentation for construction is being compiled. The advantage of such a system is to minimize the cost of processing project documentation in case of unsuccessful common solutions.

    In the two-stage design work is divided into 2 stages:

    - Stage Project (P)

    - stage Working documentation (PD)

    At the Project stage, the main architectural-planning and constructive decisions (including the master plan), decisions on engineering equipment and networks are made without specification. When designing environmental management facilities at this stage, decisions of a fundamental nature are made concerning the choice of the type of structure, its location, the main design decisions, the method of construction, etc. For industrial enterprises, schematic diagrams of technological processes are selected, general issues of management and labor protection are solved. Consolidated estimates are carried out, issues of construction organization are solved. A mandatory element of the project is the environmental section.

    To compile the project, special engineering surveys are ordered and performed. Such surveys are done in a reduced volume, but they should allow to draw conclusions about the suitability of the site, the preference of one or another type of foundation (shallow, pile, deep supports, etc.), i.e. allow to solve general issues of principle.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:34 pm

    That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:31 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.

    The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).

    Basically it will be managed together with Zvezda but it is a different site in, Vladivostok, not in Balshoi kamen where Zvezda is.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:15 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.

    The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).

    Basically it will be managed together with Zvezda but it is a different site in, Vladivostok,  not in Balshoi kamen where Zvezda is.

    yes, I know but it's still "Part of" Zvezda shipyard it was never its own thing. This from day one part of it.

    I am pointing out people are going to think suddenly there are two new major shipyards when it's always been part of the same exact plan since day one, so this isn't news.

    Like they can't build a carrier at this site it's just for the repair of large hull vessels since Vlad doesn't really have that ability atm.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:39 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.

    The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).

    Basically it will be managed together with Zvezda but it is a different site in, Vladivostok,  not in Balshoi kamen where Zvezda is.

    yes, I know but it's still "Part of" Zvezda shipyard it was never its own thing. This from day one part of it.

    I am pointing out people are going to think suddenly there are two new major shipyards when it's always been part of the same exact plan since day one, so this isn't news.

    Like they can't build a carrier at this site it's just for the repair of large hull vessels since Vlad doesn't really have that ability atm.

    If we apply the same reasoning then the shipyard in Kerch (Crimea) is the same shipyard as zelenodovsk, even if they are not in the same place because it is managed by the same company.

    Of course vladivostok and balshoi kamen are relatively closer to each other and also in the same region, but the 2 shipyards are more than 100km aparts, so they are not the same one.

    Anyway I did not suggest anywhere that they will produce aircraft carriers in Vladivostok. However, once the shipyard is created/modernised, they can use the site in Vladivostok to build fairly large civil ships (even if nothing the size of an aframax tanker) and maybe even destroyers and frigates for the navy if needed. This would free Zvezda in bolshoi kamen for the really huge ships (huge tankers and, if needed also aircraft carriers)

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