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LMFS wrote:Last report from Zvezda, spectacular level of industrial development:
http://dcss.ru/upload/iblock/3b3/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%82%2003.2021.pdf
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From what I can understand, once completed it will be more or less equivalent to the sum of the 3 large shipyards in NikolaevArrow wrote:Even the USSR did not have such a powerful shipyard
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Progress on the expansion of the dry dock of the 35th Ship Repair Plant in Murmansk. Big_Gazza Sun May 30, 2021 1:36 pm
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Backman wrote:Will they be able to build 60-80,000 ton carries here in the future ?
Backman wrote:Will they be able to build 60-80,000 ton carries here in the future ?
Yeah but could a dry dock and shipyard be built in this space in the future ?JeremySun wrote:Backman wrote:Will they be able to build 60-80,000 ton carries here in the future ?
No. To be able to do that they need to invest billions in a dry dock.
Backman wrote:I think it will be more like 8-10 years. 10-15 is on the pessimistic side.
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LMFS wrote:Backman wrote:I think it will be more like 8-10 years. 10-15 is on the pessimistic side.
Before laying the carriers they need to, IMHO:
- Get a serious force of 22350
- A decent amount of 22350M
- Have enough attack subs
- Have at least tried some Lider or similar ship.
Maybe they go ahead before having tested the head of the Lider, if they feel confident enough and in order to have a new carrier before 2040, but there is a long way to go yet. They need to develop the capabilities one after the other to avoid major mistakes, that takes lots of time.
franco wrote:According to reports out of the last Procurement Planning meetings covering up until the end of the decade, carriers are not a priority. Frigates and corvettes are.
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franco wrote:According to reports out of the last Procurement Planning meetings covering up until the end of the decade, carriers are not a priority. Frigates and corvettes are.
If sort out corvettes, frigates and subs then fiddling with carriers down the road will not be an issue because actually important things will have been sorted out
GarryB wrote:There is no point laying new carriers any time soon... they have made changes and upgrades to the Kuznetsov... they need to get that back into the water and test it to see what works and what does not, but they need destroyers and cruisers in service to create ocean going naval groups that would require carrier support, plus all the land and sea infrastucture to support carrier ops.
I would think by 2030 they should be laying a hull of a carrier and will have finished corvette and frigate production with destroyers and cruisers in production too.
They don't want to end up like the British with two carriers and no serious support ships to operate with...
Carriers take time to get right and if you think you know what you are doing and know everything you can end up with a white elephant like the Ford Class.
It will be interesting to see how these 40K ton helicopter carriers turn out too... with one being a landing ship for naval infantry and the other appearing to be a helicopter and drone carrying carrier it will be interesting.
The possibility of other ships based on these being hospital ships could lead to up to 6 being built but I rather suspect like the Mistrals the ultimate plan is for four ships based in the Pacific and Northern Fleets... with Ivan Gren types in the Black Sea and Baltic Seas as well as the Med.
They will need destroyer and cruiser escorts too...
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