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    Post  Tingsay Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:16 pm

    While this is all sad for the Navy, it is true though that it is the least important branch of the Russian military. Neutral
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:33 pm

    Alright, i finally found it, it's called the Briz Corvette
    Had to type in "experimental russian corvettes" to find it.

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    Also, what's this???
    Trimaran Stealth Corvette?

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    Post  KiloGolf Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:37 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Alright, i finally found it, it's called the Briz Corvette
    Had to type in "experimental russian corvettes" to find it.

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    https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/august-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5508-krylov-center-presents-concept-corvette-briz-at-army-2017.html

    Also, what's this???
    Trimaran Stealth Corvette?

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    lol1 lol1

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    meanwhile the frigate and destroyer program's induction rates are running at turtle-fast pace lol1
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:43 pm

    Admiral grigorovich is actually within reason of 3 years. I don't know why they just don't build more of those.
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    Post  KiloGolf Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:50 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Admiral grigorovich is actually within reason of 3 years. I don't know why they just don't build more of those.

    Agreed.

    If you ask me, they should have concentrated on them only. Just build them Grigorovich boats, for all major fleets, in big numbers. The Gorshkov seems too big and too complicated for Russia, they don't seem to be able to get the missiles right anyway.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:52 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:meanwhile the frigate and destroyer program's induction rates are running at turtle-fast pace lol1

    Sir, that is an insult to us Turtles.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:31 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Admiral grigorovich is actually within reason of 3 years. I don't know why they just don't build more of those.

    Agreed.

    If you ask me, they should have concentrated on them only. Just build them Grigorovich boats, for all major fleets, in big numbers. The Gorshkov seems too big and too complicated for Russia, they don't seem to be able to get the missiles right anyway.

    I wouldn't say complicated or anything. Brand new tech in it.  I would say having more grigorovich and gradually update them by both design and equipment through iterations.

    Missile test was completed on Gorshkov btw, so your info is rather outdated on it.  It was the highlight of the problem and it was resolved a while back. Now testing still commence for everything else.  It was rough and will be so till they start streamlining production of subcomponents. Redut is working though.

    http://foto-i-mir.ru/22350-gorshkov-161124/

    No one here understands the amount of systems and subcomponents Russia has to replace that Ukraine made. Engines is biggest one and Russia is still testing out their new engines. What would have allowed Gorshkov to be completed has now extended its deadline. Even Grigoroviches are being pushed back because of Ukrainian components, like - engines. I think most of you figured Russia made most of its stuff inside. It didn't. Instead it had to collect components from all over former soviet union in order to make a lot of their ships. Now that changes but it isn't a 1 or 2 year process.
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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:58 am

    Engine testing should be done before the middle of 2018 with serial production to follow. This is very plausible and
    consistent with various statements. So by the middle of 2018, the whole Ukrainian supply issue will be absolute
    history.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:22 am

    kvs wrote:Engine testing should be done before the middle of 2018 with serial production to follow.   This is very plausible and
    consistent with various statements.    So by the middle of 2018, the whole Ukrainian supply issue will be absolute
    history.  

    I would honestly bet money that there will be further delays after that. Neutral
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:38 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    kvs wrote:Engine testing should be done before the middle of 2018 with serial production to follow.   This is very plausible and
    consistent with various statements.    So by the middle of 2018, the whole Ukrainian supply issue will be absolute
    history.  

    I would honestly bet money that there will be further delays after that. Neutral

    Then do it.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:01 am

    With the fiasco the lack of Ukrainian components is causing, i'm wondering why doesn't russia simply invade Ukraine and partition it, or at least stage a counter color revolution. The western leaders are convinced Russia has invaded Ukraine, so whats the point not to? There won't be any worse repercussions.

    Even if the disruption of the engine supply caused more damage to the Ukrainian economy, it hasn't helped destabilize the junta and with raw oppression, the galician scum aren't leaving kiev soon.
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    Post  Isos Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:45 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:With the fiasco the lack of Ukrainian components is causing, i'm wondering why doesn't russia simply invade Ukraine and partition it, or at least stage a counter color revolution. The western leaders are convinced Russia has invaded Ukraine, so whats the point not to? There won't be any worse repercussions.

    Even if the disruption of the engine supply caused more damage to the Ukrainian economy, it hasn't helped destabilize the junta and with raw oppression, the galician scum aren't leaving kiev soon.

    Invading a poor country to have spare parts for military hardware ...
    Imagine the situation of russian eco if they add some 10 million poor people to their country that they need to feed and give them a job. The situation now is eeally good for Russia as everyone knoxs what obama did to ukraine, the gov is total bs, nato doesn t give a shit about them. Once ukrainian people get it they will implore russia ro help them ...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:55 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:With the fiasco the lack of Ukrainian components is causing, i'm wondering why doesn't russia simply invade Ukraine and partition it, or at least stage a counter color revolution. The western leaders are convinced Russia has invaded Ukraine, so whats the point not to? There won't be any worse repercussions.

    Even if the disruption of the engine supply caused more damage to the Ukrainian economy, it hasn't helped destabilize the junta and with raw oppression, the galician scum aren't leaving kiev soon.

    Why would Russia want the rats nest that is ukraine? they aren't exactly the richest country in the world and that would be a huge financial burden to take on for them. Western Ukrainians also hate Russia the eastern side is russian friendly.

    Conquering them really isn't worth it at all for Russia. Unless Putin was solely interested in just having the land.

    Ukraine offers them nothing...I mean maybe the shipyard but that alone doesn't justify taking ukraine on your wallet.
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    Post  hoom Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:26 pm

    Also, what's this???
    Trimaran Stealth Corvette?
    Rusich 1 from Zelenodolsk Design Bureau.
    Design puts the engines & fuel in the wings/outer hulls, intended to mostly operate with just the propulsion pods & main hull in the water, outer hulls skimming above.
    Props on front of the pods operate in completely clean water -> more efficient.

    Its an older concept displayed in 2015, officially abandoned sadly  cry
    They did build a 12m proof-of-concept which was allegedly successful.

    Decent length article here (in Russian) https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201507210819-josl.htm

    More pics
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    I'm a big fan of the idea & would love to see it in action.
    This CGI is cleaner & scales back the armament to something more reasonable for a 1500-2000ton ship.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:40 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    kvs wrote:Engine testing should be done before the middle of 2018 with serial production to follow.   This is very plausible and
    consistent with various statements.    So by the middle of 2018, the whole Ukrainian supply issue will be absolute
    history.  

    I would honestly bet money that there will be further delays after that. Neutral

    Then do it.

    Done

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:09 am

    which is still pathetic for a 500 ton ship.

    Without context how can you possibly comment?

    If they have a contract then there will be time stipulations and penalties.

    There is no point in building a boat in 6 months if your shipyard then has to wait 2 and a half years for the next contract.

    Also lets be serious.... this little boat can kill terrorist bases 2,500km away with land attack cruise missiles... which NATO boat can do the same?

    If there is nothing in the west that can do the same except a destroyer or cruiser sized vessel then I would expect construction to take a little longer than comparable vessels in the west.


    Russia has problems with shipbuilding and that is quite proven with all the delays and long ass build times they have. I do not need to argue this with you the Russian ship building industry has a whole proves this for me.

    Give us a full list of all the ships the Russian Navy wants and is willing to fully fund and all the Russian Shipyards... their capacity and actual performance and their future schedule for the next 15 years.

    Then we can discuss their performance to make new ships.

    Can we also discuss how these new corvettes seem to have vastly better performance than most of NATOs Destroyers let alone their cruisers... how many non US cruisers are there in NATO? How many non US vessels in NATO can launch 2,500km range land attack cruise missiles?

    "FULL DISPLACEMENT" do you KNOW what that means it means thats how much it weighs one all the supplies and everything else has been loaded INTO the ship.

    Also I wasn't talking about those ships, Yantar plus Pelia are the only two capable shipyards in Russia all the others are shit. They delay after delay and they take so long to build something they shouldn't

    Actually especially for smaller vessels the difference between normal and max weight is not usually that big... it is not like an aircraft where an aircraft wing pylon might have something very light like an AAM or something very heavy like a large fuel tank... the UKSK launch tubes would be loaded in normal weight, as would all the other missile tubes and the contents of those missile tubes doesn't change at all between operational weight and max weight.


    My concern is what to do about critical operating spares for Gorshkov and Kasanatov? Clearly turbine spares cannot be purchased from Zorya-Mashproekt, but what about the rest of the drivetrain? What about electrical & instrumentation & control systems? Is the turbine control cabinet based on Ukropi-supply electronic components? Can spares be procured, or should Russia plan on a complete control system replacement? What about eventual replacement of the Ukropi turbine? Hopefully the major interfaces and overall form factors of the domestic machinery have been specified to be compatible and will allow for a relatively inexpensive changeout?

    The Ukrainian components were not from Star Trek... they were mostly Soviet era materials and systems, so Russia should not have huge problems not just substituting these components but upgrading them to a much higher level with domestically produced parts.

    It will certainly take time, but there is no hurry at the moment... Russia simply does not need a powerful navy.... having a powerful navy is something they can defer until their economy is running smoothly again and they can trade with most of the rest of the world as partners.

    Not to mention that over a dozen of AB destroyers (or better cruisers) were inducted by the USN in the same time frame.

    You mean ones that can't see cargo ships in the dark... yeah, they need lots of those.

    With the fiasco the lack of Ukrainian components is causing, i'm wondering why doesn't russia simply invade Ukraine and partition it, or at least stage a counter color revolution. The western leaders are convinced Russia has invaded Ukraine, so whats the point not to? There won't be any worse repercussions.

    Even if the disruption of the engine supply caused more damage to the Ukrainian economy, it hasn't helped destabilize the junta and with raw oppression, the galician scum aren't leaving kiev soon.

    A better question to ask is why Russia needs to be producing ships like the US and China combined... WTF would they do with all these new ships?

    Just because a few ass hats here are whining like little girls about the current production rate is no reason to do anything.

    I am sure all those US cruisers are great for defending freedom around the world... they were certainly pivotal in separating the Serbs from Kosovo and did nothing to protect the Arabs from ISIS until the Russians started kicking arse in Syria.

    the contribution of lots of ships to the US military budget is hard to justify, but i guess it will lead to the collapse a bit quicker.... so bring it on.

    Trimaran Stealth Corvette?

    Just using your eyes will tell you it is not a stealth anything.

    The Russian navy has no shortage of ships, what it has is a shortage of brand new ships, but what it also has is a lack of a need for a huge number of new ships.

    the support vessels are being built... which is priority number one. In the back ground other systems and upgrades are going into effect... and Saturn producing replacement engines and propulsion systems is just step one.... they also need to expand production to produce the new systems as well as all the stuff they were producing before.

    I was coming to this forum to tell you all to behave but I pretty much think the verbal abuse is fully justified... though Mike please tone it down, however I can see why you are calling idiots idiots lowering yourself to their level just makes you look bad. Smile
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:41 am

    6 months is that a joke whoever said 6 months? A year is how long it should take to complete ships like Buyan that gives the budget time to refresh, you are trying to deflect right here by saying 6 months and you are pulling this number out of thin air to try and prove your silly point. When no one ever said six months.

    You know Garry you have this bad habit of doing that creating false and stupid points to make yourself look right and I get tired of seeing you do this again and again and again. It really doesn't make me want to take you seriously if your going to do that.

    3 years is pathetic for a ship like buyan-M and there is no excuse for that long and if you are honestly going to defend this then it shows your just fanboying trying to defend. If this was a frigate sure that would be a reasonable amount of time.

    Size means nothing here corvettes are cheap so Russia can build many of them. Plenty of NATO ships can kill bases from that far away, it doesn't matter the size what matters is the number of armament and Buyan-M doesn't have enough missiles to pose a threat to a ship larger then it. Kaliber is a good missile sure but it is no wonder missile.

    Oh wait I forgot russian missiles are magic and can make ships sink just by being near it!.


    I told you every shipyard other then the ones I named and lets see all their corvettes (Well pelia managed to get a karakut launched within two years....thats still not great but hey it's their first warship in how long so I'll give them credit there), their frigate minus the ones built for the BSF (Yantar actually knows how to make stuff). How many modernized ships have they gotten large hull and they started some of those over 5 years ago?. Their landing ships.

    Plus all the other crap they are building.

    US can build ships of same tonnage MUCH faster, china, Japan, Korea.... I could go on and on and on sorry russia does have a piss poor ship building industry right now maybe in the future that will change but for now that is the case.



    AB destroyers cannot see in the dark now......dude for a guy who just called people idiots that comment alone is by far some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen said here. You clearly know shit about the US Navy. This is why I hate fanboys they cannot be objective etc be critical of something they like but can make up what is clear lies.

    Those AB Destroyers will wreck whatever surface ship russia sends after them minus a upgraded Kirov. You are beyond delusional if you think the Russian navy poses any remote threat to the US navy in open waters. Cause they really don't.

    I like the Russian navy for what it is, that doesn't mean I pretend it's something it ain't.
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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:32 pm

    They don't want too many corvettes. They are also keeping money for bigger ships and for upgrading facilities .. new port in black sea, upgrading tartous, upgrading shipyards ... It doesn t matter that they are cheap corvettes, if you buy lot of them it will cost lot.

    Most of US fanboys think that the theorical calculs they do with the anti air capabilities of the aegis will work aagainst true anti ship missiles ... the fact is that it won't. Remember when there were two missiles shot at them in Yemen ? Their anti air missiles failed and needed to use EW (or vis versa ?) While lunching 2 missiles at each subsonic target. Imagine now a more capable supetsonic missile that can home on jam and use evasive actions with chaffs ???  No matter if it is a corvettes or a destroyer who lunch the oniks, the missile is the same. And Russia hs enough assests to know where american ships are, at least near its homeland. They don't care about open ocean fights. They just need a navy capable of defending the borders for now and for the near future.

    Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough. They can produce esily 4 of them in one year if they want. Once they destroy them your navy is done. You harpoons are easy targets for modern defences and jammers while russian missile will be hard target for your egis. And if the fight occurs near russia you will face sukhois armed with kh31/35 with EW equipement.

    Its been more than 70 years that soviet and russian ships and subs follow your carriers and ships and know exactly what to do if they face them.
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    Post  T-47 Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:03 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Newer models seem to be rather fine. Earlier models not so much, going by Franco said. Predominantly, things didn't start to fix in production of Yak-130 till around 2011, and that was before Ukraine debacle. Really, Yak-130 is great, except for fact that it now requires total import substitution for it. They should have expected this at least since it was obvious even then how West treated Russia then, and how problematic Ukraine was then too (2004 should have been a wake up call for many in Russia, but I guess they needed a rehash 10 years later to get that cold water in the face).

    Wrong thread mikey
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:37 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough.

    Hypothetical.

    Day 0. Regime change/Maidan in Venezuela. A USN task force comprising of one CV and two LPHs, plus half a dozen escorts (not of the Colombian type, rather ABs and Ticos) is sailing and operating just outside Venezuelan waters. Helos are flying off of them carriers supporting the regime change.

    .........

    To his defense he was talking about operations near Russia and not about open ocean

    Venezuela is not near Russia and definitely has open ocean in the equation
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:41 am

    T-47 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Newer models seem to be rather fine. Earlier models not so much, going by Franco said. Predominantly, things didn't start to fix in production of Yak-130 till around 2011, and that was before Ukraine debacle. Really, Yak-130 is great, except for fact that it now requires total import substitution for it. They should have expected this at least since it was obvious even then how West treated Russia then, and how problematic Ukraine was then too (2004 should have been a wake up call for many in Russia, but I guess they needed a rehash 10 years later to get that cold water in the face).

    Wrong thread mikey

    fat fingers on a "smartphone".

    Isos wrote:They don't want too many corvettes. They are also keeping money for bigger ships and for upgrading facilities .. new port in black sea, upgrading tartous, upgrading shipyards ... It doesn t matter that they are cheap corvettes, if you buy lot of them it will cost lot.

    Most of US fanboys think that the theorical calculs they do with the anti air capabilities of the aegis will work aagainst true anti ship missiles ... the fact is that it won't. Remember when there were two missiles shot at them in Yemen ? Their anti air missiles failed and needed to use EW (or vis versa ?) While lunching 2 missiles at each subsonic target. Imagine now a more capable supetsonic missile that can home on jam and use evasive actions with chaffs ???  No matter if it is a corvettes or a destroyer who lunch the oniks, the missile is the same. And Russia hs enough assests to know where american ships are, at least near its homeland. They don't care about open ocean fights. They just need a navy capable of defending the borders for now and for the near future.

    Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough. They can produce esily 4 of them in one year if they want. Once they destroy them your navy is done. You harpoons are easy targets for modern defences and jammers while russian missile will be hard target for your egis. And if the fight occurs near russia you will face sukhois armed with kh31/35 with EW equipement.

    Its been more than 70 years that soviet and russian ships and subs follow your carriers and ships and know exactly what to do if they face them.

    Most of these American fanboys also forget that their subsonic harpoon missiles are just that, subsonic. Less of a threat than a supersonic. But hey, at least they got lots of them on a ship so yeah, they would eventually sink a Russian ship with a salvo attack. But then, Russian antiship supersonic missiles would strike too.

    But whatever, still waiting on proof with link regarding the 500t light displacement on the Buyan-M claim.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:36 am

    GarryB wrote:
    which is still pathetic for a 500 ton ship.

    Without context how can you possibly comment?

    If they have a contract then there will be time stipulations and penalties.

    There is no point in building a boat in 6 months if your shipyard then has to wait 2 and a half years for the next contract.

    Also lets be serious.... this little boat can kill terrorist bases 2,500km away with land attack cruise missiles... which NATO boat can do the same?

    If there is nothing in the west that can do the same except a destroyer or cruiser sized vessel then I would expect construction to take a little longer than comparable vessels in the west.


    Russia has problems with shipbuilding and that is quite proven with all the delays and long ass build times they have. I do not need to argue this with you the Russian ship building industry has a whole proves this for me.

    Give us a full list of all the ships the Russian Navy wants and is willing to fully fund and all the Russian Shipyards... their capacity and actual performance and their future schedule for the next 15 years.

    Then we can discuss their performance to make new ships.

    Can we also discuss how these new corvettes seem to have vastly better performance than most of NATOs Destroyers let alone their cruisers... how many non US cruisers are there in NATO? How many non US vessels in NATO can launch 2,500km range land attack cruise missiles?

    "FULL DISPLACEMENT" do you KNOW what that means it means thats how much it weighs one all the supplies and everything else has been loaded INTO the ship.

    Also I wasn't talking about those ships, Yantar plus Pelia are the only two capable shipyards in Russia all the others are shit. They delay after delay and they take so long to build something they shouldn't

    Actually especially for smaller vessels the difference between normal and max weight is not usually that big... it is not like an aircraft where an aircraft wing pylon might have something very light like an AAM or something very heavy like a large fuel tank... the UKSK launch tubes would be loaded in normal weight, as would all the other missile tubes and the contents of those missile tubes doesn't change at all between operational weight and max weight.


    My concern is what to do about critical operating spares for Gorshkov and Kasanatov? Clearly turbine spares cannot be purchased from Zorya-Mashproekt, but what about the rest of the drivetrain? What about electrical & instrumentation & control systems? Is the turbine control cabinet based on Ukropi-supply electronic components? Can spares be procured, or should Russia plan on a complete control system replacement? What about eventual replacement of the Ukropi turbine? Hopefully the major interfaces and overall form factors of the domestic machinery have been specified to be compatible and will allow for a relatively inexpensive changeout?

    The Ukrainian components were not from Star Trek... they were mostly Soviet era materials and systems, so Russia should not have huge problems not just substituting these components but upgrading them to a much higher level with domestically produced parts.

    It will certainly take time, but there is no hurry at the moment... Russia simply does not need a powerful navy.... having a powerful navy is something they can defer until their economy is running smoothly again and they can trade with most of the rest of the world as partners.

    Not to mention that over a dozen of AB destroyers (or better cruisers) were inducted by the USN in the same time frame.

    You mean ones that can't see cargo ships in the dark... yeah, they need lots of those.

    With the fiasco the lack of Ukrainian components is causing, i'm wondering why doesn't russia simply invade Ukraine and partition it, or at least stage a counter color revolution. The western leaders are convinced Russia has invaded Ukraine, so whats the point not to? There won't be any worse repercussions.

    Even if the disruption of the engine supply caused more damage to the Ukrainian economy, it hasn't helped destabilize the junta and with raw oppression, the galician scum aren't leaving kiev soon.

    A better question to ask is why Russia needs to be producing ships like the US and China combined... WTF would they do with all these new ships?

    Just because a few ass hats here are whining like little girls about the current production rate is no reason to do anything.

    I am sure all those US cruisers are great for defending freedom around the world... they were certainly pivotal in separating the Serbs from Kosovo and did nothing to protect the Arabs from ISIS until the Russians started kicking arse in Syria.

    the contribution of lots of ships to the US military budget is hard to justify, but i guess it will lead to the collapse a bit quicker.... so bring it on.

    Trimaran Stealth Corvette?

    Just using your eyes will tell you it is not a stealth anything.

    The Russian navy has no shortage of ships, what it has is a shortage of brand new ships, but what it also has is a lack of a need for a huge number of new ships.

    the support vessels are being built... which is priority number one. In the back ground other systems and upgrades are going into effect... and Saturn producing replacement engines and propulsion systems is just step one.... they also need to expand production to produce the new systems as well as all the stuff they were producing before.

    I was coming to this forum to tell you all to behave but I pretty much think the verbal abuse is fully justified... though Mike please tone it down, however I can see why you are calling idiots idiots lowering yourself to their level just makes you look bad. Smile

    Garry your excuses are getting old and your counterarguments are red herring.

    Firstly, this fact that russia doesn't need to rely on its navy as much as the west doesn't mean ridiculous build times are acceptable. Like it or not, Russia NEEDS new ships ASAP because it needs to replace  a massive amount of aging ones.

    Secondly, the faster these ships are built, the more of the docks are free to take in new projects and build new ships for export.

    Germany also doesn't need a large navy and they're not in a hurry, yet they don't take 7-12 FUCKIN YEARS to build and test new frigates and naval technology. It wouldn't take as long even if they had to build new engines for them from scratch.

    The excuse that once the production problems with the first  ship are sorted out the rest of the class will be built much faster is a crock of BS. There are 6 buyans already, and all of them have pathetic build times.

    It doesn't matter how uber powerful Russian naval weapons are, as long as they aren't on combat ships they don't mean shit, so don't use that as your counterargument.

    garry wrote:Also lets be serious.... this little boat can kill terrorist bases 2,500km away with land attack cruise missiles... which NATO boat can do the same?
    A little 500t boat that takes as long to build as a 4000ton Indian/western/chinese frigate. Which NATO little boat has the same build time? Also, there are too few of these little boats because Zelenodolsk builds as fast as a brigade of drunk gypsy construction workers.

    BTW aren't the 9M96, Shtil, and UKSK mounts already matured enough to reduce test and build time of Russian military ships?


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:41 am

    Is it just me or is anyone else here having cautious optimism towards Amur? I have the feeling that they're getting fed up on being the retarded laughingstock sideshow of Russian military shipyards and are accelerating their build speed towards normal levels. The same can't be said for the retards at Zelenodolsk, Zvezdochka, and Severnaya Verf.
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:58 pm

    "Baltiysky Zavod - Shipbuilding" LLC will cease to exist

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    Post  T-47 Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:10 pm

    George1 wrote:"Baltiysky Zavod - Shipbuilding" LLC will cease to exist

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2857565.html

    As you quoted
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    There's been a pause in bigger than corvette order so obviously there are shits to fix. We can argue here all day but the truth is something is wrong and they are working for fixing.

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