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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:43 pm

    Rasisuki Nebia wrote:Idk if this is the right place for this but, what is with the news of a Turkish shipyard wining a contract for building a dry dock for Russia's Project 22220 Ice-breakers ?

    A short topwar article mentioned it again today, they even claimed that if Russian shipyards competed for the contract they wouldn't have won due to "Inflated prices" and that it would cost 8-9 billion rubles as opposed to 5 billion for the Turkish company.....

    Correct

    Turks made the best offer and won, pretty simple
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:40 am

    An 8,000 ton destroyer would have to be at least 155 meters long, preferably over 160 meters. Hell, not even Type 052D is 8,000 tons. It would take a major redesign and has very little resemblance to Gorshkov frigate.

    It does not need to resemble it... the point is to shift around the bits and pieces of the puzzle to make them fit better and work together better to allow more missiles to be carried for instance.

    Turks made the best offer and won, pretty simple

    Sounds fine to me. If they can do it on time and on budget then that is all good in my book... did that shipyard have experience or a model design ready to go do you know?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:44 pm

    New Turkish-Built Dry Dock Will Not Solve Russia’s Deeper Shipbuilding Problems
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:24 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:New Turkish-Built Dry Dock Will Not Solve Russia’s Deeper Shipbuilding Problems

    Western fuktard nonsense... what does one expect from those blowhards at the Jamestown Foundation? "Research and Analysis" my arse...

    The problems plaguing Russia’s shipbuilding sector, both military and civilian, run so deep and widespread that even Moscow’s decision to award a contract to Turkey to build a giant floating dry dock in the Russian High North (The Barents Observer, June 15) will do relatively little to overcome them. However, the contract does represent a crack in the sanctions regime, which had been contributing to the decline in shipbuilding in Russia over the last seven years

    So Russias shipbuilding industyry has been declining???  Suspect

    Pfftt... Russian shipbuilding has markedly improved since 2014 as the gov pours in resources, yet this NATOstani gobshite tries to turn reality on its head. he rabbits endlessly about the fact that a drydock contract has gone to a Turkish firm (cuz they quoted the lower price), yet fails completely to mention the progess at the newly redeveloped Zvezda yard (presumably as the sight of Aframax-class tankers rolling off the production line would blow a 20mT size whole right in the middle of his fucking stupid argument).

    The author also thinks the loss of PD-50 has blocked icebreaker construction...  /facepalm

    What a C U Next Tuesday... angry

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    Post  lancelot Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:32 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:New Turkish-Built Dry Dock Will Not Solve Russia’s Deeper Shipbuilding Problems

    What a hot mess of an article. Just read this section for example.
    Turkey will build a floating dry dock with a 30,000-ton capacity, large enough to construct the new generation of icebreakers the Russian government plans to service the Northern Sea Route. (The only existing dock presently available in the Russian High North is too small to handle these new Arctic-ready craft.) The need for such a dock has been under discussion in Russia since 2015, but no Russian yard was capable of building it. Now, a Turkish one will replace an older Russian floating dock that ingloriously sank three years ago (Twitter.com/KovtunM, October 30, 2018; see EDM, November 1, 2018). The giant PD-50 floating dock’s demise has blocked both icebreaker construction and the refitting of other naval ships, including most of its larger vessels, since that time.

    What icebreaker construction? The icebreakers are being built at St. Petersburg. Also, how will this Turkish floating dry dock they talk about with 30,000 ton capacity replace PD-50 which could service the Admiral Kuznetsov? This author is completely retarded. The floating dry docks are going to be used for icebreaker maintenance, not construction, and they are too small to service carriers. Even the helicopter carriers Russia is building are too heavy for it.

    Russia’s naval shipyards are a disaster, with money coming into them in ever-increasing amounts but nothing coming out. (Nuclear submarines are the only part of production that has not collapsed, he says). He blames this on the Kremlin’s decision to unify all shipbuilding into a single corporation and install corrupt and incompetent managers there (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, December 17, 2020). At present, Makiyenko writes, “practically all” shipbuilding projects are behind schedule and far over budget, with no one confident when deliveries will happen or what the costs of the finished product will be. Disturbingly for Moscow, the larger and the more important the vessel, the greater both of these problems have been.

    Bollocks. Russian nuclear submarine construction continued because it did not depend on foreign manufactured components like engines. Because of strategic characteristic of nuclear submarines little if anything used in them is imported. Also the nuclear submarine construction started at least a decade before the surface construction and the designs were a lot more mature so of course they are further ahead on the life cycle.

    It is also bullshit that putting the shipbuilding companies under United Shipbuilding Corporation made things worse. This is painfully obvious if you look at the Amur shipyard as a case in point. It had systemic problems which originally led to its nuclear attack submarine production being cut when Yeltsin was still in power. It took nine whole years to build and launch its first corvette. It is now doing much better. The fact is most of these shipyards did not have the economies of scale to handle projects on their own, a lot of them lacked trained staff, they lacked civilian orders when military orders did not come, putting them under the same enterprise allows mitigating these issues. Could it have been solved some other way? Probably. But other solutions were tried before and they did not work. The alternative in the US, a private duopoly which continuously milks the state for cash, is not better.

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    Post  kvs Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:34 am

    Another poop contribution by the TL troll to this forum.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:44 pm

    This is butt hurt from US intelligence via the Jamestown org website of lies and fabrications.

    At 30K ton this dry dock has nothing to do with the one that sank which had more than twice that capacity at 80K... but then that was made in the late 1970s so the Soviet shipbuilding capacity must have been shit then too because it was made in Sweden... hey... maybe the ability to make dry docks is not a critical skill that is pivotal to the future growth and development of the Russian Navy...

    Maybe Russia is throwing some work at Turkey to get a few favours or just good neighbourly relations... you know... like America doesn't.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:This is butt hurt from US intelligence via the Jamestown org website of lies and fabrications.

    At 30K ton this dry dock has nothing to do with the one that sank which had more than twice that capacity at 80K... but then that was made in the late 1970s so the Soviet shipbuilding capacity must have been shit then too because it was made in Sweden... hey... maybe the ability to make dry docks is not a critical skill that is pivotal to the future growth and development of the Russian Navy...

    Maybe Russia is throwing some work at Turkey to get a few favours or just good neighbourly relations... you know... like America doesn't.
    I am not a naval engineer or a shipyard specialist, but I believe that a floating dock could be build without problem by Russian yards.
    One of the reasons of the foreign build of the floating dock could also be the availability of space and resources in Russia. A floating dock is not that high level of technology or contains military secrets.

    Probably all the Russian shipyards large enough for building this had more important and more lucrative orders, while the Turkish yard had more availability and less orders.

    It was a similar story for the PD50 yard
    wikipedia wrote:In March 1978, Götaverken Arendal shipyard in Gothenburg, Sweden was awarded a contract for the construction of the world's largest floating dry dock for the Soviet Union. While the company had previously built mainly oil tankers and bulk carriers, it was struggling for new orders after demand for one of its main products had dwindled following the 1973 oil crisis, and bidding for the dry dock was one of the shipyard's attempts to diversify its portfolio
    It was not a failure for Russia (or 40 years ago for the Soviet union with the much larger PD-50 ) to order the yard abroad, since otherwise it would have occupied important infrastructures that had better things to do (e.g building large ships).
    Especially since probably Sweden (and now Turkey) made a good price, so it was a win win situation.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:40 am

    If they had two Mistrals in service now it would probably actually be four Mistrals by now and they might have ordered this from France because they probably need to send it to the Northern Fleet where it will be used and it would be a shorter trip from France and also a thank you for the Mistrals.

    Instead I guess Turkey had the best bid, but I doubt any bid from France would not be considered anyway.
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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:15 pm

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    Some well known yard some days ago

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:10 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News - Page 24 E4rma810
    Some well known yard some days ago

    Which shipyard is this? Sorry I am unable to identify.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:29 pm

    Privat Pella.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:16 pm


    Severnaya Verf You can see the expansion of the new assembly hall
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    Post  LMFS Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:06 am

    Alexey Rakhmanov: USC has aircraft carrier projects, but the Navy does not have an order

    Shipbuilding industry Russia, after a period of lack of money in the 90s, stagnation in the early 2000s, has now entered the rhythmic construction of warships and submarines for the country's Navy. This year, shipbuilders must transfer 10 ships to the fleet, of which seven-in the remaining period until the new year. Tell us about the progress of ship construction, the terms of repair of the only ship in the world.Sergey Safronov, head of the RIA Novosti profile editorial office, asked Alexey Rakhmanov, General Director of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), to discuss the development of the Russian Navy's aircraft carrier and future plans for the industry.
    - Alexey Lvovich, recently there was information that the docking of our only aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" is shifted either to the end of 2021 or postponed to 2022. Does this mean that the transfer of the ship to the fleet is also postponed by a year?
    – Under our contract, all dock work should be completed by the beginning of 2023, everything is in order with this. The problem is different. When the contract for the repair and modernization of the cruiser was signed and the necessary amount of work was determined, it was assumed that only one gas turbine unit out of four was to be unloaded and repaired. To date, the situation has changed – it turned out that repairs are necessary for all four units, and this is still a total of 10-11 months of work. But even in this case, if other defects are not revealed, we will transfer the ship to the fleet in 2023, as planned.

    – At the USC stand at the Army-2021 forum, a model of the new large landing ship "Cayman"was displayed. Is this the new version of project 11711?
    - "Cayman" is a further development of the idea, the idea of the designer, "Nevsky PKB", about how such a ship may look in the future. This is a combat vehicle of wide application, which is designed for a wide range of customers who have different requirements for the draft of the vessel, cargo capacity, and type of equipment.
    – The Varshavyanka boat of project 636.3, which has been under construction in various modifications for more than 40 years, has a future, or has it run out of modernization resources?
    - Of course, the Lada Project 677 boats have the best combat characteristics and are an innovative product. But in the case of Lada, it is necessary to work out promising systems in order not to get long-term construction and, accordingly, losses. The lead boat "Saint Petersburg" is currently undergoing system development.
    – And what else can you build on Yantar besides amphibious ships?
    – There is a program for the construction of research vessels, and there is a serious task for icebreakers. Baltika was built on Yantar, and there are plans for an icebreaking platform for "Of Gazprom." The program of construction of the fishing fleet will be continued. We have no doubts about the loading of Yantar.

    – The last of the six frigates of Project 11356 is still on the Yantar . What is its fate?
    - The ships of this project have proved themselves in real work, and foreign customers are showing serious interest in them. I am sure that we will agree with them on the fate of the frigate.
    – What is the status of the aircraft carrier project?
    – We have enough developments that could be useful in the construction of a ship of this type. The readiness of our enterprises to implement the project in cooperation is complete. However, there is no order yet, and if there is no order, then there is no project, no construction site.
    – Has the main plant in this cooperation already been identified? This will be "Sevmash" or maybe, for example, the Far Eastern "Star"?
    - The head factory will be determined by the customer. It can be Zvezda, Baltzavod, or Sevmash. Each has its own pros and cons, but the experience is on the side of USC enterprises. In addition, Severnaya Verf is capable of building three-quarters of an aircraft carrier. But in any case, it will be cooperation. In total, there are three possible sites: Baltzavod partially, "Severnaya Verf partially and Sevmash entirely, but Sevmash has two major drawbacks: the first is that it does not have indoor facilities for construction, and the second is the White Sea it freezes, and we lose the flexibility of the launch and completion dates. But the cases are still half the battle, you still need to have documentation, and it will take some time to develop it.
    – And in how many years will you be able to build an aircraft carrier, taking into account the finished documentation?
    "I think we can do it in eight years."
    – So the whole project will take about ten years?
    "Most likely. Take the Americans: they have been building their aircraft carriers for ten years, and they have mass-produced them. After all, an aircraft carrier is the apotheosis of shipbuilding thought, an entire army on the water.

    – At the expense of what "Sevmash" will be able to build submarines for a year faster, because you recently set such a task to the factory workers?
    – In fact, we are talking about the introduction of two modern technologies: the technology of quality control of steel joints and the docking of hull sections with a high degree of saturation with equipment, pipelines and cable routes. In this case, we can reduce the construction time. So far, designers are resisting this scheme, because they face additional technological risks.
    You need to saturate the sections as they are built, and then you can save a lot of time. That is, if the boat is currently being built for seven years, it should take six, if five, then four, if three, then two. Everywhere minus one year.
    – Does the Leader project still exist?
    – Regardless of the position of the Navy, we believe that for ships with a displacement of more than eight thousand tons, the most optimal energy solution is a nuclear installation. One can argue where exactly this watershed is located-8, 10, 12, 20 thousand tons, because there are still gas turbine power plants that also effectively solve issues in the range from 10 to 20 thousand tons. But then the story of autonomy is intertwined here, because the gas turbine unit is good, but it "drinks" like a whale. Therefore, here you need to make an informed decision about what you need more: speed, ease of construction, or autonomy?
    – But now there is no such project?
    – We have a lot of projects, and they are presented here. We will also build such ships in cooperation, including with Baltzavod . And who will be the head coach? I'll say this – USC.

    – When, by the way, will USC finally move from Moscow toSt. Petersburg?
    – It will move until October 15. Now in St. Petersburg, preparations for licensing for the right to work with information constituting a state secret are being completed. By this time, the repair of the premises for employees will be completed, as well as the repair of the representative office, where both I and the chairman of the Board of Directors will be located, and there will be a meeting area for representatives of the military-technical complex. As a result, 300 people will leave for St. Petersburg, while the remaining 120 will remain in Moscow.Moscow.
    – Is the possibility of joining the USC structure of the Ak Bars shipbuilding holding in Tatarstan being discussed?
    – If we were set such a task – to deal with this asset – we would approach it with all seriousness. It seems to me that such industries as space, nuclear power, aviation and shipbuilding cannot live in competitive conditions similar to the consumer market (where this is mandatory). And for such investment-intensive industries, the strategy of forming a national champion is important.
    – Is there any progress in creating an anaerobic, air-independent installation (VNEU)?
    - Work on the creation of a prototype VNEU is carried out in the lineMinistry of Industry and Trade. The installation itself has already been created, and all the physical principles have been implemented. In the near future, a floating design will appear, and a real compartment will be tested.
    - "Lada" project 677 will not work?
    - VNEU-these are certain requirements for a strong body. If you install on a ready-made boat without a VNEU, you need to preload something, remove it, reduce it, and, perhaps, in the end, you will have to change the hull itself. This is impractical.
    – And the project "Kalina" will not work, or it is no longer there?
    – I would like to emphasize that we did not abandon any of the projects that we were developing. We have everything put on the shelf, as they say, a thread to a thread. But I have already mentioned the restrictions on VNEU.
    – What does floating mean?"
    – We have a laboratory installation that works on land, and we have a task to test it on water. Two companies – Rubin and Malachite - are developing the installation, each of them has its own success, and we will promote both concepts.

    – When will the water tests take place?
    – I would like to do it this year. But if it doesn't work out, we will definitely show it in 2022. The question is not simple, but complex.
    – Will all plans for the construction of warships in 2021 be fulfilled? What are the GOZu plans for 2022?
    – This year we have to transfer 10 ships to the Navy: in May, the fleet received the lead nuclear-powered submarine with cruise missiles of the Yasen-M project-Kazan. In August – the logistics support vessel Vsevolod Bobrov and the base minesweeper Georgy Kurbatov. By the end of the year, our companies will complete the construction of four more ships and repair three more.

    https://ria.ru/20210924/rakhmanov-1751452273.html

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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:01 pm

    USC has lost control of the Vympel shipyard

    As the newspaper "Vedomosti" reported in the material of Ksenia Potayeva and Alexey Nikolsky, "USC lost control over the shipyard" Vympel "due to state support. Now the corporation will have to redeem the asset through an additional issue of its shares ", the President and the Russian government changed the structure of the transaction to transfer the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) to the Rybinsk shipyard Vympel Shipyard (Vympel Shipyard). As a result of the additional capitalization of the shipyard by 6 billion rubles from the federal budget, USC lost control over the shipyard in June, and the controlling stake (99.9% of shares) of Vympel Shipyard JSC ended up with the Federal Property Management Agency, it follows from the shipyard's reporting data.

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    Post  mnztr Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:44 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Privat Pella.

    Funny how the private Pella yard looks like a model of incredible efficiency, while the naval yards look like they were recently bombed lol. Pella has excuted its programs soooooo well compared to others.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:48 am

    Privately owned shipyards are prone to being sold eventually... not something I would trust with my military secrets...

    We can see how wonderfully private MIC performs in the US... not a good model to follow.
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    Post  mnztr Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:17 am

    GarryB wrote:Privately owned shipyards are prone to being sold eventually... not something I would trust with my military secrets...

    We can see how wonderfully private MIC performs in the US... not a good model to follow.

    I would blame the Pentagon and US govt for the failures of the US MIC. They are the ones that come up with a lot of the loony ideas. Surely there is a middle ground where govt/private partnership can do well. You have to admit Pella has spit its projects out very efficiently.
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    Post  Arrow Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:21 pm

    https://flotprom.ru/2021/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C15/

    New Russian-made CNC machines for the Yantar shipyard.

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    Post  LMFS Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:08 am

    Maybe the Lider thread needs to be restarted...

    USC will make a technical project of the Leader nuclear-powered destroyer, the wishes of the Russian Defense Ministry are clear - Rakhmanov

    08.12.2021 18:28:33
    Moscow. December 8. United Shipbuilding Corporation will make a technical design of the advanced nuclear-powered destroyer Leader, the head of USC Alexey Rakhmanov told Interfax on Wednesday.
    "We have an understanding of what the military wants, " Rakhmanov said, noting that the size of the future destroyer is likely to be optimized.
    "Now we will make a technical project, let's see," the head of the USC said, answering a question about the timing of signing a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry for nuclear destroyers.
    In September, in an interview with Interfax, the head of USC said that the corporation had prepared several variants of the appearance of the promising nuclear-powered destroyer Leader, and they were sent to the Russian Defense Ministry.
    Then Rakhmanov told the agency: "The issue of the construction of the Leader destroyers, as well as the formation of a new GPV (state armament program), is under the exclusive jurisdiction of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense as a state customer. For their part, USC enterprises have completed a preliminary design and offered the fleet several variants of the ship's appearance."
    The Russian Navy is interested in the Leader nuclear-powered destroyers, Vladimir Kasatonov, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, told Interfax on June 23.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:12 am


    They should at least get a signature on paper before that

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    Post  Isos Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:07 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    They should at least get  a signature on paper before that


    No need for a 1m plastic model and computer made designs.

    Real work will start only if they sign.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:41 am

    Now that the corvettes are in the water and production and frigates are in the water too and an upgraded heavy frigate design is in motion it makes sense to start progress on a nuclear powered destroyer sized ship and the various larger sensors and equipment that it will require.

    Some want it all now but I like that they are taking their time to get it right before committing to steel and then putting in to mass production.

    It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:06 am

    Zaliv shipyard. The largest ships for the Russian navy are currently built here.

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    Zaliv shipyard acquired a vehicle for moving modules weighing up to 410 tons.

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