I wouldn´t say the Russian Navy is in a poor state.
It has plenty of ships, but most of the larger ships are obsolete soviet vessels that could do with replacement.
The priority of the Russian federation means the navy is no where near top, yet the costs of a navy are high... and that combination means limits on what can be produced and when.
They are moving in the right direction, but the speed is not fast, but as I said the navy is not a high priority at the moment because Russian trade is not mostly sea based at the moment.
As Russia moves away from the west... or should I say as the west pushes Russia away, Russia needs to look for other markets and other trading partners, and will rely more and more on its shipping to do so.
If the EU decides against nord 2 then Russia might end up with south stream and shipped liquified gas... and no gas going through the ukraine.
It is going to cost the EU rather more money, and they might decide to buy US gas for even more on political grounds, but china is growing and so are many other countries around the world they can ship LNG to... and for a better price than what they were getting from Europe.
Russia has had problems with their new ships... which is understandable... as I keep saying... they could pump out enormous numbers of ships if they kept making 1980s cold war era boats, but they are developing new multirole vessels and that is complicated and time consuming... but once they get them right they can produce them rapidly because they are modular and standardised.
Shipyards do not need CAD software to operate, an that same software can be obtained for trivial sums anyway.
All the new designs for ships will be digital... if the shipyard is not equipped with the right support equipment it is going to have problems... equally having experienced ship builders is one thing... they can work from paper plans, but can they use digital systems too?
Shipyards do not need CNC machines either. What shipyards really need is a dock, sheet metal storage and prep, metal cutters, cranes, presses, bunch of welders, more welders, and then some more welders, bunch of electricians, painters, pipe workers and similar ship equipment furnishers, and so on. I don't know where people get this retarded idea manufacturing can't be done without CNC machines and CAD software, especially that they are important in shipyards. Ships were built long before any CAD and CNC existed.
A CNC machine produces parts, and does it to very fine tollerances... and it can work 24 hours a day if you want... humans can generally make the same stuff but not as quickly or as easily and often not to the same degree of accuracy... especially when making thousands of components.
How is it that it takes Yantar shipyard average of 2,5 to 3 years from laying down the keel to launch when it builds 11356s for India but it takes them 3-4 years to do the same for 11356s built for Russian navy? It is the same fucking shipyard building the same basic fucking ship but it takes them 50% longer to do same work when they do it for Russian navy!!
Do you think there is a difference between assembling foreign components and putting them into a Russian designed ship and waiting for Russian suppliers of components that are generally new and untested like vertical launch Shtil missiles and sensors and then fitting them to a ship might take a little longer to do that different job?
Also you don't need separate paragraph for each sentence.
Separate paragraphs for separate ideas or subjects makes text easier to read.
Having everything in a big wall of text makes it harder to read and easier to lose your place.
It is the same with text... typing in all caps makes it harder for an adult to read as most adults read by word shape rather than looking at each letter.
There are examples of this on the internet... where there is a big piece of text but a lot of letters are moved around but the text can still be read because the word shape is the same.
3? new frigates and some hints of quarter century-old Soviet relics with numbers probably counted using two hands.
To be fair, three state of the art frigates that in the next couple of years will be able to carry hypersonic Zircon missiles and be rather potent vessels, plus a lot of old cold war ships that are no where near state of the art but sufficient for the job the Russian Navy has at the moment.
Lots of problems to solve but will not be solved by shooting managers or other stalin shit.
Didn't I say I was done with you or do you want me to say that in a language you understand please tell me what languages you know so I can say it in that one then.
I clearly understand you are done talking to me, but I will not ignore your bullshit and say nothing when you say stupid things.
Russia could take 20 years to build a frigate and you would find no fault with it. so be quiet.
The Russian navy is not important right now... they can't fix everything at once... nobody can.
They could start building carriers and cruisers and all sorts of shit... in fact if you were right and I was a fanboi that is what I would be demanding and I would be bleating like a little bitch like many here are that this is not happening.
But I am not a fanboi... I don't wish Russia had a navy able to take on all of NATO including the US because that would bankrupt her over night... and what would it even achieve?
For the record, I consider removing Saddam to be a huge mistake and I was against it.
You are not suggesting the west is not perfect are you?
Next you might even admit that Russia isn't perfect either and that not having a huge binge building frigates and destroyers like sausages isn't the end of the world either... or is that too much common sense?
But none of that changes the incompetence of Russian shipbuilding industry and thats why you are a fanboy you refuse to admit what is openly there and instead defend guys whom are harming Russia's defense ability.
If they were building cold war boats then I would agree... the Russian shipbuilding industry would be pretty bad if it could not knock off a few hundred ships... but even the corvettes they are building are more powerful than most NATO frigates... how many NATO frigates can carry 2,500km range land attack cruise missiles?
How many can carry mach 3 Onyx anti ship missiles?
How many in perhaps 5 years time will have mach 8 Zircon hypersonic anti ship missiles?
They are having problems with engines, they are having problems with new SAMs... the redut Poliment is not going well but then the land based system is not actually in service right now either... perhaps it is very complicated and still needs further development work... or it just needs field testing...
Likely having problems with new large array AESA radar too...
For a while they had problems with their new guns... they do have a 100mm gun lighter than their old 76mm guns... that is the sort of improvement they are going for... but no they are all failures and should be taken out and shot as an example for people not to aspire to manage shipyards because of judgemental pricks on the internet will not tolerate failure!
So shush it, I don't want to hear from you again, I had enough of your fanboyism
I listen but I don't agree... with this comment and most of the others you make.
I am sure you will get over it.
Russia facilitated Najibullah's removal in Afghanistan, so half of the GWOT clvsterfvck is on them actually. And before anyone acts all 'but USA funded the Muj'. Well it's not as if USSR had sorted the rising Islamic problems within their own border (Caucasus/Central Asia -stans) before invading another -stan. In fact they were very weak during the '80s with all that Islamic revival and rising nationalism in the home front. And yet they decided to destabilize Central Asia by carrying out a decade-long war they couldn't afford. Then proceed to with an Obamaesque pull-out and sell-out; giving rise to AQ (and now IS).
Russia had to interfere in Afghanistan to stop the CIA from turning it into another Iran... a puppet state of the US until the Iranians rose up and kicked them out.
The kicking out of the CIA in Iran in 1979 only increased the focus of the US on afghanistan.
But then the utopia that was afghanistan can't be blamed completely on US interference... Britain did invade them about 4 times not including the most recent invasion... and they worked out so good too.