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Any info, why black 01 have cover over IRST? For testing?
Possibly ground crew forgot to remove, or it is just taxiing and will take it off later before flight.
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VVS Russian Air Force: News #1
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Possibly ground crew forgot to remove, or it is just taxiing and will take it off later before flight.
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Su-35, Su-34 and Su-30SM are nice combination.
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Too similar.
Let's get some MiG-35s in the mix
Let's get some MiG-35s in the mix
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I agree... we could use some Mig-35s and Mig-29M2s... 48 of the former and 96 of the latter, with plans for upgrades of the Mig-29M2s into Mig-35s when that technology matures and becomes cheaper.
Fully multi role aircraft, they should be able to replace the Mig-29s in service and perform the roles previously performed by the Su-17/Mig-27, while performing the intercept roles of the Mig-23/29.
Fully multi role aircraft, they should be able to replace the Mig-29s in service and perform the roles previously performed by the Su-17/Mig-27, while performing the intercept roles of the Mig-23/29.
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new version of su-25
translated from : http://fr.ria.ru/defense/20130226/197648059.html
The Air Force Russian team against the Patriot (media)
In 2014, the Russian Air Force will receive a special version of the Su-25 to destroy and bypass air defense systems, writes Izvestia daily on Tuesday.
A source of Staff of the Air Force stated that the testing of the new version of the Su-25 will be completed in May, after which mass production can be started.
"This version is able to identify and eliminate air defense systems as powerful as the U.S. Patriot, several units were planned in Turkey because of civil war in Syria, "he said.
Only the United States has so far aircraft capable of removing air defense systems F-16CJ Wild Weasel and EF-18 Growler. Their task is to remove the air defense of the enemy without entering the range, while the new Su-25 can act in this area by attacking air defense systems and other ground targets .
The Su-25 armored and equipped with radar systems on board, even in its most powerful, remains vulnerable to modern air defense. This is why the new aircraft is equipped with a storm system equipped with special antennas under the coating, which detect the direction of the radius and classify the type of source.
The aircraft is also equipped with a detection system and infrared laser and a system of blindness warheads guided in the infrared spectrum. All aircraft systems are integrated in a common complex and the computer automatically takes its decision based on the information received. All this will allow the air assault to dominate in the area of air defense of the enemy, by sending radio waves and infrared jamming.
Hence its tactical and strategic vocation to lead groups of attack aircraft or bombers classics. But it can also act alone.
The independent expert Anton Lavrov confirmed that the new version of the Su-25 must have a defense system more efficient and be equipped with modern missiles antiradars.
The source of the Staff notes that the Patriot Americans are not the only enemies of the new Su-25. But the Russian Air Force can not ignore their appearance in Turkey. The United States, the Netherlands and Germany have provided six Patriot ally of NATO in early winter, deployed to the south and southeast of the country, near the Syrian border.
translated from : http://fr.ria.ru/defense/20130226/197648059.html
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Hachimoto wrote:new version of su-25
translated from : http://fr.ria.ru/defense/20130226/197648059.html
Interesting
Austin- Posts : 7617
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Dont believe Izvestia
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Every year we are getting a "new version of Su-25"
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In 2014, the Russian Air Force will receive a special version of the Su-25 to destroy and bypass air defense systems, writes Izvestia daily on Tuesday.
That likely explains the claims of a stealthy Su-25 to be built followed by a brand new aircraft.
They mean there is to be a SEAD/DEAD version of the Frogfoot.
This is why the new aircraft is equipped with a storm system equipped with special antennas under the coating, which detect the direction of the radius and classify the type of source.
Presume this means a new attack system equipped with directional antennas to detect radars, and classify their type and location.
The aircraft is also equipped with a detection system and infrared laser and a system of blindness warheads guided in the infrared spectrum.
So it will have thermal optics and the ability to use IR lasers to defeat IR guided and laser guided and optically guided weapons.
... in other words DIRCMS.
All aircraft systems are integrated in a common complex and the computer automatically takes its decision based on the information received. All this will allow the air assault to dominate in the area of air defense of the enemy, by sending radio waves and infrared jamming.
5th gen avionics that operate autonomously defending the aircraft (and the aircraft it is escorting) and also finding and destroying ground threats (DEAD).
Hence its tactical and strategic vocation to lead groups of attack aircraft or bombers classics. But it can also act alone.
ie can escort strike packages or other aircraft, or can operate alone on DEAD/SEAD missions.
The independent expert Anton Lavrov confirmed that the new version of the Su-25 must have a defense system more efficient and be equipped with modern missiles antiradars.
New anti radar missiles? They could include, but would not be limited to the old and new model AS-11, AS-12, AS-17 plus the new model AS-17, while it might also include the Kh-38 and perhaps an anti radiation or Glonass or IIR guided version of Hermes using a lofted flight profile to extend range.
Dont believe Izvestia
I would doubt they had the technical knowledge to make that up... misquote... yes, but not make it up.
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In 2014, the Russian Air Force will receive a special version of the Su-25 to destroy and bypass air defense systems, writes Izvestia daily on Tuesday.
Is this claim meaning, that it will be dedicated SEAD/DEAD version of Su-25 or that Su-25 will be able to deal with air defense systems?
I doubt they will make SEAD version of Su-25, Su-34 and Su-30SM are far better platforms for that job and Su-35 is also great for this job. Su-25 as slower attacker is not the best choice for it.
But being capable to deal with air defense systems, I think all new Su-25SM have additional new RWR detector + the older one, and new RWR is capable to work with anti radar missiles and program them against SAM radars like Kh-31 or Kh-58. All Su-25 could carry jammer pods, so for this case Su-25SM is well equipped.
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I rather suspect the PAK FA will have DEAD as a function, and that the Su-34s will also have such systems as a core of their basic design.
I expect these SEAD/DEAD Su-25s might be based on the two seater Su-25 which is the type produced in Russia (as opposed to Georgia) and that an especially well equipped aircraft that operates with a group of standard aircraft should allow it to protect the group having all the best protective systems and costing a little more without making the whole fleet cost more.
I would expect it would have extra equipment, but that most Frogfeet will have President-M self defence suite, but that the other aircraft will be carrying a range of weapons while this dedicated model might be suitably modified to carry ARMs. It might be interesting to have four wing pylons that can carry Hermes instead of two on the Su-25TM so that 32 Hermes missiles could be carried at once with perhaps 4-6 pylons remaining for AAMs, external fuel tanks and jammer pods.
For the SEAD/DEAD role a few unguided rocket pods would be useful for carrying jamming rockets and flare/chaff rockets, as well as small UAV drones that could be launched into enemy airspace to make the enemy forces react.
I expect these SEAD/DEAD Su-25s might be based on the two seater Su-25 which is the type produced in Russia (as opposed to Georgia) and that an especially well equipped aircraft that operates with a group of standard aircraft should allow it to protect the group having all the best protective systems and costing a little more without making the whole fleet cost more.
I would expect it would have extra equipment, but that most Frogfeet will have President-M self defence suite, but that the other aircraft will be carrying a range of weapons while this dedicated model might be suitably modified to carry ARMs. It might be interesting to have four wing pylons that can carry Hermes instead of two on the Su-25TM so that 32 Hermes missiles could be carried at once with perhaps 4-6 pylons remaining for AAMs, external fuel tanks and jammer pods.
For the SEAD/DEAD role a few unguided rocket pods would be useful for carrying jamming rockets and flare/chaff rockets, as well as small UAV drones that could be launched into enemy airspace to make the enemy forces react.
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Looks like the new shelters are spreading.
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Now that they are getting new toys and upgrades for existing toys they need to spend a bit of money on looking after them and some spare parts and maintainence too.
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TR1 wrote:http://russianplanes.net/images/to100000/099325.jpg
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This is well armed Su-35.
If I see correctly, those red R-77 AAMs have wider body than white ones. Maybe red R-77 are long range missiles and whit medium ones.
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If I see correctly, those red R-77 AAMs have wider body than white ones. Maybe red R-77 are long range missiles and whit medium ones.
I rather doubt that.
There will be old missiles and new missiles of the RVV-AE, but the old missiles were not bought by the Russian AF because they had no operational aircraft compatible with that missile and for much of the 1990s its seeker was made in the Ukraine. The only in service Russian aircraft able to operate the RVV-AE was the Mig-29C model aircraft.
Now that new fighters and upgraded fighters are entering service they will likely buy them but they will be buying the longer range RVV-SD. There were two R-77 long range missiles talked about, one had an enlarged rocket motor which should be noticable like the R-27 and R-27E... the other had ramjet propulsion and should also therefore also be fairly distinct.
AFAIK the red missiles are for testing and have their warheads replaced with telemetric equipment to calculate the miss distance with the target. I suspect the white missiles are for shooting down actual drones.
The number of missiles carried suggests they want to test mass attacks.
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Now that new fighters and upgraded fighters are entering service they will likely buy them but they will be buying the longer range RVV-SD. There were two R-77 long range missiles talked about, one had an enlarged rocket motor which should be noticable like the R-27 and R-27E... the other had ramjet propulsion and should also therefore also be fairly distinct.
Actually you give good comparison. Red R-77 have enlarged rocked motor as R-27E, while white ones are standard as standard R-27. I wonder what long range AAMs Su-35 will use. It will be a shame if they will not use long range AAMs with such powerful radar as Irbis is.
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Sorry Medo, I have opened the above photo in Photoshop and made copies of both missiles (red and white) and put them on top of each other and then made the top missile more and more opaque and they are both the same size.
We are not looking at large red and small white missiles, we are looking at missiles painted red and painted white.
We are not looking at large red and small white missiles, we are looking at missiles painted red and painted white.
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GarryB wrote:Sorry Medo, I have opened the above photo in Photoshop and made copies of both missiles (red and white) and put them on top of each other and then made the top missile more and more opaque and they are both the same size.
We are not looking at large red and small white missiles, we are looking at missiles painted red and painted white.
Well, I don't have photoshop or any other programs to make compare. I just put a ruler on a photo and measure diameter of those missiles and white R-77 on left wing (closer to us) have diameter 4 mm, while red R-77 under air intake have diameter 5 mm, what means it have larger diameter than white one. Missiles are same long, they have only different diameter in the second half.
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I tried it the same way you did, though I used a copy of the under fuselage red missile and placed it over the white missile on the near wing, but the angle of the missile under the fuselage made it hard to tell.
Instead I took the missiles on the far wing... taking the red missile near the wing tip and putting it on top of the white missile next to it on the wing and they are both exactly the same diameter and the same length.
With the R-27 and R-27E it is very clear which is which... because to make it worth the effort the longer range missile needs a much larger rocket motor... if it is only slightly bigger then the slightly more powerful engine will make no difference because it will also be slightly heavier and also have slightly higher drag which will result in the same flight range.
It is like the Yak-38 and Yak-38M... the latter had more powerful engines but actually had lower performance because the more powerful engines burned more fuel and even with the extra aerodynamically it was never going to get much faster because both are subsonic, so the result of the more powerful engines was shorter range though with better acceleration.
The extra lift capacity was usually used to carry more fuel.
Instead I took the missiles on the far wing... taking the red missile near the wing tip and putting it on top of the white missile next to it on the wing and they are both exactly the same diameter and the same length.
With the R-27 and R-27E it is very clear which is which... because to make it worth the effort the longer range missile needs a much larger rocket motor... if it is only slightly bigger then the slightly more powerful engine will make no difference because it will also be slightly heavier and also have slightly higher drag which will result in the same flight range.
It is like the Yak-38 and Yak-38M... the latter had more powerful engines but actually had lower performance because the more powerful engines burned more fuel and even with the extra aerodynamically it was never going to get much faster because both are subsonic, so the result of the more powerful engines was shorter range though with better acceleration.
The extra lift capacity was usually used to carry more fuel.
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Almost two thousand aircraft and helicopters will be purchased for the Army - Putin
Putin: for re-air units will be allocated 5 trillion rubles
Plans to buy nearly 2,000 aircraft and helicopters for retrofitting aircraft units and thus in 2020 to increase the share of modern aircraft in the military and 70%, Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Putin: for re-air units will be allocated 5 trillion rubles
"In total, the re-air units, I'm reminded of this in a conversation with the workers at the assembly area, we plan to send about 25% of the total financing state defense order. He's, you know, 20 trillion, so a quarter of the 20 trillion - a 5 trillion, a very respectable figure, "- said Putin.
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Austin wrote:Almost two thousand aircraft and helicopters will be purchased for the Army - Putin
1200-1300 hellos
600-700 fighters
Those numbers could be effected in both way by Russain economic performance but that`s about it.
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300-400 fighters
400 trainers/transport/tankers/etc
1200-1300 helicopters.
actual figures come 2020. may prove to be some 20-30% lower.
400 trainers/transport/tankers/etc
1200-1300 helicopters.
actual figures come 2020. may prove to be some 20-30% lower.
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eridan wrote:300-400 fighters
400 trainers/transport/tankers/etc
1200-1300 helicopters.
actual figures come 2020. may prove to be some 20-30% lower.
Well I dont agree. If we count:
PAK-FA - 60
Su-34 - 124
Su-30SM - 60
Su-35 - 48+48 possibly more
Mig-35 - 48
Mig-29K - 24
YAK-130 - 150 (my prediction - I think we should count it as a light fighter rather than in transport group
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That are known or to be known orders = 570 fighters
Transports (slowest developing/producing part) - 200 at most
We have Il-76 based and An-70 if situation gets resolved (others I don`t count)
And there are 1200-1300 hellos.
Now I have no doubt hello orders will be matched (as things are going just great and even more)
I don`t see any problems with fighters too - numbers will be achieved without problem (only PAK-FA count could be reduced possibly)
and jet we might see more orders being placed like we where surprised by 60 Su-30SM order.
Only thing that has some chance of failure in achieving planed numbers count would be transport and that does not make up for
20-30% "loss" overall you think might happen.
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