Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

Anti piracy vessels are urgently needed because having a custom designed ship that can operate on its own in open waters and also deal with pirates and other issues like that would free up the vessels they have been using that include destroyers like the Sovremmeny class vessels and Udaloy class that could be better used for other duties.

Sending a boat to operate off the coast of Africa looking for pirates and protecting Russian shipping it really needs to be able to defend itself... so decent armament as well as decent storage for endurance is a must.

And its been laid down http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2283636.html


Couple of shots of in-build ones but not looking very complete.
Hoping for some better update pics on the first one which is supposed to be launching soon.

So I've thought the render used at the laying down was a reliable depiction of what's being built except you can see that the render here is this version with 1 window on the central section of the bridge & flat panel radars on the fat mast

But the in-build pics show 3 windows there

Which fits this model

And this render

Both without flat panel radars, a less plump mast & with an MR-123 firecontrol radar (for the gun?).

I'm inclined to suspect the use of the 1st render is just a boo-boo since it's very similar at a glance to the 2nd one, though might have thought they'd correct it by the 5th ship

Neither version (nor any of the models or drawings I've seen) has a Gibka launcher that I've been able to identify

Flotprom reports 76mm gun mount has finished tests & first one has gone to Zelenodolsk to go on first 22160

http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B056/

Google translate wrote:New gun mount equip patrol ships project 22160 and 23550 (Ice Class), small missile ships of the project 22800 "Karakurt" and missile boats 12418. Project
The first sample has been sent to the Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky for the lead ship of the project 22160 "Vasily Bykov."

According to ppl over at Balancer forum the last stated date for launch was supposed to be March 2017 but no sign of any confirmation of that yet. (possibly they were supposed to have MTU diesels so that may be cause for delays)

Edit: Apparently they are Kolumna diesels.

At Balancer forum someone pointed to this article from Nov http://www.zelenodolsk.ru/article/21236 (seems to be local Zelenodolsk city paper)
Has some interesting info.

Armament mentioned doesn't include Gibkha. (so portable Igla only?)
Talks about possibility of modular AA specifically Sthil (trying to figure out how that could possibly work   possibly a misinterpretation of the export brocure?)

Engines were indeed going to be MAN but changed to Kolumnar requiring engineroom rework, possibly some other import substitution issues.

hoom wrote:At Balancer forum someone pointed to this article from Nov http://www.zelenodolsk.ru/article/21236 (seems to be local Zelenodolsk city paper)
Has some interesting info.

Armament mentioned doesn't include Gibkha. (so portable Igla only?)
Talks about possibility of modular AA specifically Sthil (trying to figure out how that could possibly work   possibly a misinterpretation of the export brocure?)

Engines were indeed going to be MAN but changed to Kolumnar requiring engineroom rework, possibly some other import substitution issues.

No surprises there.

This engine issue may be hassle now but in the long run it's just the right kick in the ass Russian naval industry needed.

I can understand importing stuff like searchlights and speedboats, but engines? C'mon, they are supposed to be world's 2nd largest arms manufacturer. They should start acting like one.

Pictures of the Vasily Bykov (1st unit) inside the shipyard.







The ship's mast:

Bigger picture.

Hopefully they'll finally launch it soon?!

hoom wrote:Hopefully they'll finally launch it soon?!

Looks like they will. The gun is mounted and the ship is painted.

First two ships of the pr. 22160 class will be delivered in 2018.
Vasily Bykov at the beginning of the year, Dimitri Rogachov at the end of the year.
First 3 ships will be equipped for escort duties for the Black Sea Fleet.
Second trio of ships will carry the KALIBR cruise missiles.

http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=451607

TheArmenian wrote:First two ships of the pr. 22160 class will be delivered in 2018.
Vasily Bykov at the beginning of the year, Dimitri Rogachov at the end of the year.
First 3 ships will be equipped for escort duties for the Black Sea Fleet.
Second trio of ships will carry the KALIBR cruise missiles.

http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=451607

I relay don't get the logic behind this, what king of escort duties will this ship perform in it's basic configuration. Escorting in the military seance means protection above all things, protection means weapons to protect with, what weapons does this ship have.

It's not just the ships that it will be protection but the ship it self, it's 94m long with advanced sensors it's a good target, ANYTHING that is that big need's good weapons. I understand that it's a modular design, but am also a realist, when you count in the politics and the economy ships that are commissioned with insufficient stuff will stay like that for a log time or will never be upgraded (example: Neustrashimy frigate), if you know you need something you make sure it's there from the beginning, not everything can be modular when a ship i 94 m long and is built by a country that wants global influence.

It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.

They don't mean escort like an AEGIS Class cruiser escorts a US carrier... they mean an anti smuggling/fisheries protection/anti piracy ship.; Used to monitor areas, and maintain the peace.

A police type vessel.

It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.

Containerised Uran sure, its definitely designed for that.
Maybe containerised Tor (but would be at expense of at least one surface to surface container).

Definitely could/should put Ak-630s on hangar sides unless there is something else planned for there.
Maybe saving that kind of thing for a mid-life upgrade?

hoom wrote:

It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.

Containerised Uran sure, its definitely designed for that.
Maybe containerised Tor (but would be at expense of at least one surface to surface container).

Definitely could/should put Ak-630s on hangar sides unless there is something else planned for there.
Maybe saving that kind of thing for a mid-life upgrade?

Yea, even if it's a simple patrol vessel, it could still use 2 AK-630s on the sides, clearly has the space.
And is TheArmenian right, is the next set of these really gonna get UKSKs??

AlfaT8 wrote:

hoom wrote:

It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.

Containerised Uran sure, its definitely designed for that.
Maybe containerised Tor (but would be at expense of at least one surface to surface container).

Definitely could/should put Ak-630s on hangar sides unless there is something else planned for there.
Maybe saving that kind of thing for a mid-life upgrade?

Yea, even if it's a simple patrol vessel, it could still use 2 AK-630s on the sides, clearly has the space.
And is TheArmenian right, is the next set of these really gonna get UKSKs??

Hey, why I are you doubting me?

Go back to my post and read the source of the information that I linked to.
I am just the messenger who posted what the General director of the Zelenodolsk shipyard said in an interview with Interfax.

You damned pessimistic, glass half-full.......What do you need to believe? A message from God?

TheArmenian wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

hoom wrote:

It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.

Containerised Uran sure, its definitely designed for that.
Maybe containerised Tor (but would be at expense of at least one surface to surface container).

Definitely could/should put Ak-630s on hangar sides unless there is something else planned for there.
Maybe saving that kind of thing for a mid-life upgrade?

Yea, even if it's a simple patrol vessel, it could still use 2 AK-630s on the sides, clearly has the space.
And is TheArmenian right, is the next set of these really gonna get UKSKs??

Hey, why I are you doubting me?

Go back to my post and read the source of the information that I linked to.
I am just the messenger who posted what the General director of the Zelenodolsk shipyard said in an interview with Interfax.

You damned pessimistic, glass half-full.......What do you need to believe? A message from God?

Missed the link actually, and confirmation from more sources would be nice as well, since there isn't even a model or any rendering of such a model.

AlfaT8 wrote:.............

Yea, even if it's a simple patrol vessel, it could still use 2 AK-630s on the sides, clearly has the space.
And is TheArmenian right, is the next set of these really gonna get UKSKs??

Next set will get containerized Kalibr

UKSK would mean redesigning the whole thing

Next set will get containerized Kalibr
UKSK would mean redesigning the whole thing

Its not impossible that they'll put UKSK, there is clearly room on the foredeck for a VLS: see export version with Shtil-1 option (different config but still)


Chances are its probably the containerised version though.
On the other hand I don't see why that would have to wait till the next group since the containerised weapons is supposed to be part of the basic design
Perhaps first group won't have the container bays?

hoom wrote:Its not impossible that they'll put UKSK, there is clearly room on the foredeck for a VLS: see export version with Shtil-1 option (different config but still)


Chances are its probably the containerised version though.
On the other hand I don't see why that would have to wait till the next group since the containerised weapons is supposed to be part of the basic design
Perhaps first group won't have the container bays?

Dang, this thing looks like plug&play, the reload time for this must be in the minutes (so long as there's a second set around).

And 2x8 UKSKs, Gorshkov??

Update: I just notice he mentioned Shtil-1, my bad.

hoom wrote:..............
On the other hand I don't see why that would have to wait till the next group since the containerised weapons is supposed to be part of the basic design
Perhaps first group won't have the container bays?

They are part of basic design.

No need to wait at all. Both launcher types are containerized.

They just decided that first 3 should have anti-ship missiles. They can swap them any time they want to. All it takes is a crane.

More information:
-Vasily Bykov will be rolled out from the boathouse on June 15-16, 2017. It is planned to launch it at the end of June.
-Vasily Bykov and Dimiti Rogachev will be delivered during 2018.
-Delay in Vasily Bykov timeline is due to being first of series.
-There is some redundancy between Project 22160 and Project 22800 Karakurt. Karakurt is successor of Buyan-M with better sea-worthiness. First Pr. 22800 ship "Uragan" is also delayed and will be delivered first half of 2018.

-Pr. 22160 was originally designed as patrol ship for coast guard. The ships are designed to protect and protect the marine economic zone, they can also perform search and rescue functions, escort convoys and combat pirates. Navy liked the design and ordered it. They need ships like this.
-Displacement of 1300 tons
-Max. speed of up to 30 knots.
-Range of navigation - 6 thousand miles
-Autonomy - 60 days.
-They are designed to provide comfortable conditions for the crew (up to 80 people).
-A Ka-27PS helicopter can be based on the ship.
-The corvettes are equipped with launchers of cruise missiles Caliber, a new 76.2 mm artillery, an anti-aircraft missile system and machine guns.

Source: http://warfiles.ru/show-153213-pervyy-modulnyy-korvet-proekta-22160-gotovitsya-k-spusku.html

All info is from above article.
I know, not all your questions are answered.
Please don't shoot me (I am just the messenger).

TheArmenian wrote:......................

Please don't shoot me (I am just the messenger).

We know but still, you know the rules on this forum.

Would you like a single bullet or a full firing squad?

And no a Pixie Caramel won't save you this time!