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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:26 pm

    The clown Porosyuk trots himself out and yaps about the "rewriting" of the glorious history of the last 5 years. Any sane human
    would want to throw such a fine history in the rubbish bin instead of being proud about it.

    But in this case the protest has some legitimacy since it is to stop rampant land sales to foreigners. But it's too little, too late
    you morons.

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    Post  Regular Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:37 am

    Ukrainians are never happy and always rioting.
    They want to get the benefits of being in EU and NATO, yet they can't stand idea of them bending over to these two organisations. I don't think they have bright future as their pursue for utopian independence will lead them even further away from their donors. I would love to see when US and EU eventually drops Ukraine and then Ukraine would be stuck between two hostile blocks.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:35 am

    Of course Poro loves the last five years of Ukrainian history... didn't you hear... his personal wealth increased 80 fold during his presidency... they were excellent times for him no doubt... wasn't every Ukrainian increasing their wealth 80 times too?

    When their land is all sold they are going to have to do something extreme to get it back... in Cuba that was communism where white foreigners who owned all the casinos and all the sugar plantations and all the places of work had to be removed by force so that Cubans could own the place... I doubt the US or the EU would approve of that... unless the buyers of the land are all Russians and then they will probably suggest it... how ironic would that be...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:10 am

    Sorry, I believe that this is the wrong thread for general discussions about the ukraine. This should have been about the (now destroyed) ukrainian aviation industry.

    Garry, could you please move the last 3 posts to another thread, like situation in ukraine?

    Thanks
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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:21 pm



    The clown "leader" of Banderastan claims that he runs a land of economic miracles. So he wants western investors to come.
    But the reality is that western investors already in this 3rd world toilet want out as soon as possible. There was a forum
    where 255 foreign investors came to be informed on ways of pulling out with minimal losses. One of the examples of how
    Banderastan treats foreign investors is the case of one company whose property title was deleted from the registry and
    the land seized by the authorities. The stolen land went into the hands of relatives of one of the prosecutors. Like
    I said, 3rd word toilet.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:49 pm

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/linking-people-reforms-rhetoric-democracy-building-ukraine/5716573?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    The Rhetoric of Democracy-building in Ukraine. NATO and the Militarization of Eastern Europe
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:05 pm

    https://www.pravdareport.com/world/144770-ukraine_independence/
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:40 pm

    https://ria.ru/20200728/1575009730.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu0JZZGt0SY
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:53 pm

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/a-former-ukrainian-deputy-described-the-financing-of-maidan-negotiations-with-yanukovychs-party/
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:13 pm

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:32 am

    An exemplary coup. Special Report

    I'm afraid the 2021 won't be any easier than the 2020 was for Ukraine.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:22 pm

    Forget the Orthodox Easter, couldn't have anything in Donbass kick off before this was over. Shocked


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    Impossible to believe these marches still take place in Europe. The Nazi SS Galizia Division March will start tomorrow at 18.00 April 28th, 2021 in Kiev, Ukraine from Arsenalna Square. The BBC have a correspondent there. Can we expect a report?




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    Post  JohninMK Sat May 15, 2021 12:02 pm

    A Saturday morning smile and we all need that! Love it Laughing

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    On the Ukrainian tv "Nash" there was a vote, Putin deserves the Nobel Peace Prize ? 76% - yes, 24% - no..


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:49 am

    How did Ukraine lose its Soviet legacy in 30 years? And why are attempts to make Ukraine "anti-Russia" doomed to failure?
    https://youtu.be/xQacfSXadtU
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:35 pm

    Found in a Zero Hedge comment. Strange preponderance of a particular sect.

    UKRAINE
    - 44 million Christians
    - 89,000 Jewish (0.2% of the population)
    - 136 (possibly 158) Jews, of the 400+ members of the Ukrainian Parliament (34%)
    - 2014 coup appointed "President", Oleksandr Turchinov - Jewish (family name Cogan)
    - 2014 coup "elected" President, Petro Poroshenko - Jewish (family name Valtsman)
    - 2014 coup "Prime Minister" (former head of Ukraine Central Bank) Arseniy Yatsenyuk - Jewish
    - Yulia Tymoshenko, former Prime Minister, served time for corruption - grandparents on father's side Jewish (family name Kapitelman)
    - current President, Volodymyr Zelensky - Jewish
    - former Prime minister (2016-2019), former Chairman of Ukraine Parliament, Volodymyr Groysman - Jewish
    - former Prime minister (1993-1994) Yefim L. Zviagilsky - Jewish
    - oligarch billionaire Ihor Kolomoyskiy, who finances the operations of the so-called "National Guard" - Jewish, dual Israeli citizen
    - oligarch billionaire Viktor Pinchuk, son-in-law of former President Leonid Kuchma - Jewish
    - oligarch billionaire Aleksey Martynov - Jewish
    - oligarch billionaire Vadim Rabinovich, founder of the European Jewish Parliament - Jewish, dual Israeli citizen
    - oligarch billionaire Dmytro Firtash - Jewish
    - oligarch billionaire Eduard Shifrin, former Vice President of World Jewish Congress - Jewish
    - oligarch billionaire Gennadiy Bogolyubov - Jewish
    - oligarch billionaire Mikhail Fridman - Jewish
    - oligarch billionaire German Khan - Jewish
    - oligarch billionaire Hennadiy Korban - Jewish
    - oligarch billionaire Viktor Vekselberg - Jewish
    - most dangerous mobster on the FBI list, Semion Mogilevich - Jewish
    - Borislav Bereza, Rada member for Pravy Sektor, a neo-Nazi outfit running ethnic cleansing in east Ukraine - Jewish
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    Post  kvs Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:43 pm

    The funny thing is that at home most Ukrs are foaming at the mouth anti-Semites. The same goes for Poles.
    This reflects a deep inadequacy. Instead of succeeding to the top, just bitch at those that do. Goes with the
    whole hater welfare bum complex. After Jews, many Ukrs hate Russians. Poles also have a Russia derangement
    syndrome. Certifiable.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:16 am

    Reminded me of an episode of the British TV series called "The Professionals".

    The episode I remember involved a black family moving into a white area and being racially abused and hounded.... burning crosses on the front lawn... all that sort of stuff.

    The local goon squad that got funding and orders from higher up to commit these hate crimes were all white racist nazi type thugs just wanting a chance to beat someone up.

    Well of course being a BBC programme the main characters struggled to communicate with the victims with them being white and all and the case appearing to be racism, but of course it ended up nice and tidy... it turns out the Mr Big handing out the orders to the white skinned nazi goons to hound the black people was black himself... race really had nothing to to with the big picture but was used as a smoke screen to hide behind for the people making the real money... it was all about property development,

    In the TV programme the people with money and power used the racism of the locals to get what they want... more money and more power... and I suspect all these jewish people in the Ukraine... well, they have jewish names but that does not make them jewish... and to be honest if they hold all these positions of power in the Ukraine and tolerate all the Nazi movements and pro nazi events etc etc they care less about their own religion than they do about money and power so they are not really jewish in any sense that matters.

    Not unusual... there are plenty of 1%ers in the west who claim to be christian but do very unchristian things to keep power and accumulate money and resources...

    BTW isn't that interesting.... the spell checker is telling me that christian requires a capital C but unchristian does not require a capital U.

    How odd.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Oct 22, 2022 10:39 am

    Much to my surprise there was no thread on this and I want to post this analysis from a MoA poster somewhere safe as it is pretty good.

    As for what happened to Zelensky, Skiffer posted something a while back that I saved for future use when talking to idiots who think that Zelensky has been president since the coup in 2014. (I miss Skiffer.)

    "There was a breaking point early into Zelensky's presidency where he and his team was made aware of the position of both president and parliament in Ukraine in the overall pecking order. The chiefly ceremonial transition of power was still in progress, coupled with nearly a month of relative calm devoid of street action by right-wing radical organizations, as they too reassessed whether they still had state backing or would be held accountable for past misdeeds.

    Suddenly, hostilities on the front-line with Donbas resumed, and with such ferocity that it spilled over onto the UN platform and threatened to bury the Minsk agreement there and then. Zelensky was basically called to the front with this provocation, which gave us the notorious exchange of him trying to dress down the military: "I'm 40-something years old and I'm the president -- I'm not some shmuck." The military told him to go **** himself and that they would do what they want, that they do not answer to him. That much was obvious by infuriated statements made by his cadre on return to Kiev.

    Back in Kiev, Zelensky and his party of clowns attempted to push back by quickly formulating a law proposal, restricting the use of weapons on the front-lines to only be used in response. Needless to say, this stirred such a hornet's nest that the proposal was scuttled before the ink had time to dry; perhaps someone was even made to eat the paper.
    That week it was made apparent to everyone that neither the president nor a parliamentary majority had any control over the military or security services. Protests by right-wing radicals erupted all over, with police supervision. Court-houses and government buildings were stormed, the president's office was vandalized and the state appointed security detail responsible for "protecting" Zelensky abandoned their positions for the duration. The message was unequivocal -- the nationalists are in control of all state organizations capable of projecting force and the political establishment is merely a figleaf on a military junta.

    Following this cold shower, team Zelensky reorganized the party apparatus who hadn't even had time to warm up their seats, they rubber-stamped the advisory positions of prominent neo-Nazi figureheads to positions within both political and security organizations -- presumably, for the people actually in charge to have more immediate access to their respective areas of responsibility. The only aspect that wasn't flipped like a pancake was the conciliatory rhetoric coming out of Zelensky -- in this, he was braver than his spokespeople who put on their brown shirts almost immediately.

    That is not to say that there weren't nationalist tendencies within Zelensky's party even on the campaign trail -- it is my impression that Ukrainians in general, even when neither particularly radical or militaristic, are generally comfortable with ethno-nationalist ideology or, at best, downplay the significance of discriminatory or hostile ideas, symbols and statements to themselves.

    For eight years, the Russian information sphere was saturated with coverage of manifestations of Ukrainian neo-nazi ideology and always tried to bring in Ukrainian political analysts to explain their position. That position, without fail, almost always amounted to marginalization -- deeds, images and statements were made by or depicted nobodies who held no power and did not represent official Ukraine, even when these nobodies were official representatives of Ukraine, advisors to the same or acting with the approval of Ukrainian officials. At most, manifestations of government approved neo-nazi ideology was labelled as "excessive" by Ukrainian political analysts, embarrassing not for the evil that it represented but for the negative impact it might have on PR."

    Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 22 2022 10:41 utc | 248

    Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 22 2022 1:38 utc | 142

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/10/ukraine-open-thread-2022-179/comments/page/2/#comments

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    Post  George1 Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:01 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Much to my surprise there was no thread on this and I want to post this analysis from a MoA poster somewhere safe as it is pretty good.


    really?? https://www.russiadefence.net/t631-ukraine-politics-thread

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:50 pm

    Ivan Katchanovski as a guest on The Duran



    He also mentioned that the snipers involved in the overthrow of Ceausescu in Romania in 1989 were the same CIA/opposition mercs too.

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:37 am

    Indian medical students who returned to Ukraine to complete their studies face hostilities from locals who accuse them of being "close to Russia"

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