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P.V.O. (Russian Air Defence) General Thread:
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To be honest for years I was a bit bitter about Rust... what a dick...
But honestly I don't think Russian air defence would be what it is without the developments and steps that went ahead because small slow targets are hard to detect and track and engage.
Just from that video you could see that a helicopter like a Hind with soldiers in the cabin armed with heavy gauge shotguns or light automatic weapons could be viably used to deal with large numbers of drones or small numbers...
With airburst laser detonated shells they would be even more potent... the Mi-28NM has been described as being able to shoot down drones... presumably using its 30mm cannon and laser command detonated shells... most civilian drones can be optically detected and tracked by the Havocs built in EO system and its MMW radar for detecting ground targets should also be ideal for the larger drones at much greater ranges... the data sharing and communications systems that have been added to the aircraft to allow frontline troops to get access to the view from the helicopter in terms of radar and IIR sensors, and it just makes sense that ground target information can be sent to these helicopters too to help them find specific targets. NEBO and other ground based radars designed to detect drones could direct these helicopters to deal with these threats too...
But honestly I don't think Russian air defence would be what it is without the developments and steps that went ahead because small slow targets are hard to detect and track and engage.
Just from that video you could see that a helicopter like a Hind with soldiers in the cabin armed with heavy gauge shotguns or light automatic weapons could be viably used to deal with large numbers of drones or small numbers...
With airburst laser detonated shells they would be even more potent... the Mi-28NM has been described as being able to shoot down drones... presumably using its 30mm cannon and laser command detonated shells... most civilian drones can be optically detected and tracked by the Havocs built in EO system and its MMW radar for detecting ground targets should also be ideal for the larger drones at much greater ranges... the data sharing and communications systems that have been added to the aircraft to allow frontline troops to get access to the view from the helicopter in terms of radar and IIR sensors, and it just makes sense that ground target information can be sent to these helicopters too to help them find specific targets. NEBO and other ground based radars designed to detect drones could direct these helicopters to deal with these threats too...
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Shield with control: the West of Russia will be covered by an automated system
It will include fighters, anti-aircraft missile systems and radar stations
Russia will be covered by a large anti-aircraft shield. Air defense systems and combat aviation in the Western military district will soon be combined under the management of a new unified automated control system (ACS). Integration will allow creating a defense of missiles and fighters in the space from St. Petersburg to Voronezh. Previously, a similar principle was tested in the Crimea. The introduction of modern automation tools is necessary in order to meet the high level of rearmament of domestic troops, experts explained.
Western border
As sources in the military Department told Izvestia, the integrated automated control system will begin to be formed as part of the 6th army of the air force and air defense of the Western military district next year. It will include several digital subsystems. They will take control of fighters, antiaircraft complexes, as well as radio engineering and radar stations. In turn, the automated control system will bring together data on the air situation and transmit them to the pilots of aircraft and calculations of SAM launchers.
Earlier, the Russian military Department said that the ZVO in the near future, as part of the state defense order, should receive promising automated control systems with anti-aircraft missiles and aircraft complexes, radio-technical troops and electronic warfare.
For the first time, a single automated control system was created to integrate air defense on the Crimean Peninsula in 2018, Izvestia previously reported. But in the Western military district, the territory that will be closed in a single contour is much larger. From North to South, and from West to East, the length of the zone of control of the 6th army of the air force and air defense is about 2 thousand km. It contains 26 regions of the northwestern and Central Federal districts.
Due to the international situation, it is especially important to develop the air defense system on the Western borders, believes the former commander of the 4th army of the air force and air defense, Lieutenant General Valery Gorbenko.
— The area for a potential enemy is interesting — from there you can move to Moscow and St. Petersburg, - the expert explained. — The Kaliningrad region is also located nearby, which does not have a common border with us. In those regions, NATO aircraft are now constantly conducting reconnaissance flights — including over neutral waters. It is not far from the Western borders to Moscow. In addition, the country's considerable industrial potential is concentrated in these regions. Therefore, we must be ready to repel not only current but also future threats. Now many countries are developing unmanned aircraft, hypersonic missiles and other means of attack.
"Troops of high automation»
Tests of a similar integrated system were conducted in the Crimea. According to the defense Ministry, during the exercises, the Russian armed forces on the Peninsula conditionally repelled the RAID of seventy cruise missiles at once. The prospective unified automated control system continuously received information about air and ground objects from radio engineering stations and radars, drones and aviation. All intelligence was aggregated and processed in real time. The system analyzed the type of targets, their level of danger, speed, altitude and direction of movement. There was a continuous exchange of information between all its participants, and target designations for air defense and fighter aircraft were issued. A commander of any level could get a complete picture of the enemy's actions and recommendations for its destruction.
Earlier, the Ministry of defense reported that for automation in the armies and anti-aircraft missile brigades of the Aerospace forces, the automated control system "Polyana-D4M1", which exists both in stationary and mobile versions, is being implemented. Under its control fall the famous S-400, S-300 and "Pantsiri".
To unite the army's air defense assets at the level of motorized rifle and tank brigades and divisions, the basic Barnaul-T subsystem is being supplied to the troops. It controls "Tori", "Tunguska", "Arrows" and various radars.
Both "Polyana" and "Barnaul-T" are capable of uniting the air defense forces of both the Ground forces and the aerospace forces under a single command. This helps them effectively detect and distribute among themselves various targets-from small drones to ballistic missiles.
— Air defense forces are highly automated troops. Starting from the primary link, the radar company, they are connected to various systems and subsystems — " said former Deputy head of the air force for the CIS joint air defense system, Lieutenant General Aytech Bizhev. — The task of the automated control system of radio-technical troops is to convey information to the higher command post as quickly as possible. Automated control systems of the antiaircraft missile forces should make a competent target allocation of fire capabilities of brigades and regiments. In the case of a massive air attack by an enemy, when a person does not have time to do it, the target designation is carried out in automatic mode. Previously, on the S-125, the commander himself twisted the antenna, and his operators carried out tracking of the target. Now everything depends on the algorithm. You only need to look at the screens and follow the recommendations of the car.
The automated system in the air defense system was also in the Soviet era, but today the troops and the aviation are supplied with new aircraft and air defense systems with other capabilities, the expert added. And the automated control system must comply with them.
— The modern control system should be very flexible, active, resilient, with wide combat capabilities, - added Aytech Bizev. — If earlier information about the change in the air situation reached the command post in two or three minutes, today the operator brings the marker to the object on the screen, and in a few seconds all the characteristics of the target-speed, altitude, direction-are on the monitors of a higher supervisor. The bandwidth of communication lines is constantly growing. Air defense systems are a high-tech type of armed forces.
Even anti-aircraft gunners equipped with the latest Verba portable air defense systems now have their own automated control system. It transmits information from radars, helping to find the enemy object even before it comes into view.
https://iz.ru/1098336/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/shchit-s-upravleniem-zapad-rossii-prikroet-avtomatizirovannaia-sistema
It will include fighters, anti-aircraft missile systems and radar stations
Russia will be covered by a large anti-aircraft shield. Air defense systems and combat aviation in the Western military district will soon be combined under the management of a new unified automated control system (ACS). Integration will allow creating a defense of missiles and fighters in the space from St. Petersburg to Voronezh. Previously, a similar principle was tested in the Crimea. The introduction of modern automation tools is necessary in order to meet the high level of rearmament of domestic troops, experts explained.
Western border
As sources in the military Department told Izvestia, the integrated automated control system will begin to be formed as part of the 6th army of the air force and air defense of the Western military district next year. It will include several digital subsystems. They will take control of fighters, antiaircraft complexes, as well as radio engineering and radar stations. In turn, the automated control system will bring together data on the air situation and transmit them to the pilots of aircraft and calculations of SAM launchers.
Earlier, the Russian military Department said that the ZVO in the near future, as part of the state defense order, should receive promising automated control systems with anti-aircraft missiles and aircraft complexes, radio-technical troops and electronic warfare.
For the first time, a single automated control system was created to integrate air defense on the Crimean Peninsula in 2018, Izvestia previously reported. But in the Western military district, the territory that will be closed in a single contour is much larger. From North to South, and from West to East, the length of the zone of control of the 6th army of the air force and air defense is about 2 thousand km. It contains 26 regions of the northwestern and Central Federal districts.
Due to the international situation, it is especially important to develop the air defense system on the Western borders, believes the former commander of the 4th army of the air force and air defense, Lieutenant General Valery Gorbenko.
— The area for a potential enemy is interesting — from there you can move to Moscow and St. Petersburg, - the expert explained. — The Kaliningrad region is also located nearby, which does not have a common border with us. In those regions, NATO aircraft are now constantly conducting reconnaissance flights — including over neutral waters. It is not far from the Western borders to Moscow. In addition, the country's considerable industrial potential is concentrated in these regions. Therefore, we must be ready to repel not only current but also future threats. Now many countries are developing unmanned aircraft, hypersonic missiles and other means of attack.
"Troops of high automation»
Tests of a similar integrated system were conducted in the Crimea. According to the defense Ministry, during the exercises, the Russian armed forces on the Peninsula conditionally repelled the RAID of seventy cruise missiles at once. The prospective unified automated control system continuously received information about air and ground objects from radio engineering stations and radars, drones and aviation. All intelligence was aggregated and processed in real time. The system analyzed the type of targets, their level of danger, speed, altitude and direction of movement. There was a continuous exchange of information between all its participants, and target designations for air defense and fighter aircraft were issued. A commander of any level could get a complete picture of the enemy's actions and recommendations for its destruction.
Earlier, the Ministry of defense reported that for automation in the armies and anti-aircraft missile brigades of the Aerospace forces, the automated control system "Polyana-D4M1", which exists both in stationary and mobile versions, is being implemented. Under its control fall the famous S-400, S-300 and "Pantsiri".
To unite the army's air defense assets at the level of motorized rifle and tank brigades and divisions, the basic Barnaul-T subsystem is being supplied to the troops. It controls "Tori", "Tunguska", "Arrows" and various radars.
Both "Polyana" and "Barnaul-T" are capable of uniting the air defense forces of both the Ground forces and the aerospace forces under a single command. This helps them effectively detect and distribute among themselves various targets-from small drones to ballistic missiles.
— Air defense forces are highly automated troops. Starting from the primary link, the radar company, they are connected to various systems and subsystems — " said former Deputy head of the air force for the CIS joint air defense system, Lieutenant General Aytech Bizhev. — The task of the automated control system of radio-technical troops is to convey information to the higher command post as quickly as possible. Automated control systems of the antiaircraft missile forces should make a competent target allocation of fire capabilities of brigades and regiments. In the case of a massive air attack by an enemy, when a person does not have time to do it, the target designation is carried out in automatic mode. Previously, on the S-125, the commander himself twisted the antenna, and his operators carried out tracking of the target. Now everything depends on the algorithm. You only need to look at the screens and follow the recommendations of the car.
The automated system in the air defense system was also in the Soviet era, but today the troops and the aviation are supplied with new aircraft and air defense systems with other capabilities, the expert added. And the automated control system must comply with them.
— The modern control system should be very flexible, active, resilient, with wide combat capabilities, - added Aytech Bizev. — If earlier information about the change in the air situation reached the command post in two or three minutes, today the operator brings the marker to the object on the screen, and in a few seconds all the characteristics of the target-speed, altitude, direction-are on the monitors of a higher supervisor. The bandwidth of communication lines is constantly growing. Air defense systems are a high-tech type of armed forces.
Even anti-aircraft gunners equipped with the latest Verba portable air defense systems now have their own automated control system. It transmits information from radars, helping to find the enemy object even before it comes into view.
https://iz.ru/1098336/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/shchit-s-upravleniem-zapad-rossii-prikroet-avtomatizirovannaia-sistema
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Almaz-Antey: Russia can resist all means of air and space attack
The head of the concern, Jan Novikov, said that the Russian Nebo-M radar station is capable of detecting the latest stealth combat aircraft, including the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II fighters.
NIZHNY NOVGOROD, May 22. /TASS/. Russia can resist any modern means of air and space attack. This was announced by the head of the concern "Almaz-Antey" Jan Novikov.
"We are able to resist all modern means of air and space attack," Novikov said at a lecture at the New Knowledge marathon.
According to the head of the concern, Russian air defense and missile defense systems are leading in a number of areas and are not inferior to their foreign counterparts. "In terms of air defense, we are absolute leaders, in terms of missile defense, we are going toe - to-toe," Novikov said.
According to him, the Russian Nebo-M radar station is capable of detecting the latest stealth combat aircraft, including the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II fighters.
"The Nebo-M radar is a stealth technology. Perfectly sees the F-22, F-35 and so on, " Novikov informed. According to him, Almaz-Antey pays considerable attention to the production of radars. "The concern produces more than 30 types of multifunctional mobile radar systems," Novikov added.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11446201
The head of the concern, Jan Novikov, said that the Russian Nebo-M radar station is capable of detecting the latest stealth combat aircraft, including the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II fighters.
NIZHNY NOVGOROD, May 22. /TASS/. Russia can resist any modern means of air and space attack. This was announced by the head of the concern "Almaz-Antey" Jan Novikov.
"We are able to resist all modern means of air and space attack," Novikov said at a lecture at the New Knowledge marathon.
According to the head of the concern, Russian air defense and missile defense systems are leading in a number of areas and are not inferior to their foreign counterparts. "In terms of air defense, we are absolute leaders, in terms of missile defense, we are going toe - to-toe," Novikov said.
According to him, the Russian Nebo-M radar station is capable of detecting the latest stealth combat aircraft, including the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II fighters.
"The Nebo-M radar is a stealth technology. Perfectly sees the F-22, F-35 and so on, " Novikov informed. According to him, Almaz-Antey pays considerable attention to the production of radars. "The concern produces more than 30 types of multifunctional mobile radar systems," Novikov added.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11446201
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