P.V.O. (Russian Air Defence) General Thread:

Austin wrote:The PMU1 is just an export model of PS and PMU2 is an export model of PM.

Only the oldest model of S-300 had 90 Km range , So i would expect Vityaz range to be between PS and PM.

I still feel the 9M98 lacks the energy of S-300 series.

Vladimir79 wrote:Makes me wonder if it is much better than this system at a fraction the cost...

Vladimir79 wrote:Makes me wonder if it is much better than this system at a fraction the cost...

Ostapenko said that at present, work is continuing on the creation of ground-based air defense "Hero". "Hero" - a tool that will significantly outperform the S-300. Even the fact that the guide will be 12 instead of 4 as it is now - it is almost three times the increase firepower, "- said the general.

The complex air defense "Morpheus" will be adopted in 2015



Earlier Ashurbeyli Igor, who headed up the company in 2011, the developer "Morpheus" (lead system design bureau "Almaz-Antey") reported in an interview with RIA Novosti that the enacting of the complex is scheduled for 2013.


MOSCOW, April 24 - RIA Novosti. latest range of defense "Morpheus" ultra low-rise will be adopted by the Russian Army in 2015, told reporters Wednesday, Deputy Defense Minister, Colonel-General Oleg Ostapenko.
Earlier Ashurbeyli Igor, who led until 2011 the company-developer of "Morpheus" (lead system design bureau "Almaz-Antey") reported in an interview with RIA Novosti that enacting this complex is planned for 2013 .


"Morpheus" - is generally unique product, unique in the world no. I think that the first samples of somewhere in the region of 2015 entered service "- said Ostapenko. According to the Defense Ministry, the maximum firing range" Morpheus "- 5 kilometers. This system is designed to shield military sites and has both active and passive means of combat (combat vehicles and radars).

Ostapenko said that at present, work is continuing on the creation of ground-based air defense "Hero". "Hero" - a tool that will significantly outperform the S-300. Even the fact that the guide will be 12 instead of 4 as it is now - it is almost three times the increase firepower, "- said the general.



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medo wrote:They could as well be 9M96 or their upgraded variants. Don't forget, that in place of one S-300 missile, you could place four 9M96 missiles, so it is not impossible to have 12 such missiles on truck.

In particular, according to available information, the "Knight" has increased significantly the number of destination channels, allowing you to simultaneously fire a greater number of targets, also expanded opportunities for maneuver.

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Austin wrote:

GarryB wrote:Which suggests the Mig-31 replacement will be the likely aerial platform for these S-500 based AAMs...

Interesting.

Where are they talking about S-500 AAM ?

- Today you looked at tomorrow defense-PRO-EKO?
- And what is there to look. I think that is now in the range of land development firepower EKR exhaustive. In addition to these funds and their subsequent upgrades, the other on the earth will be gone.
- I mean ...?
- That is the following weapon systems are not land-based and air. The following systems, which will appear after the C-500 will be airborne.
Some of them are also already being developed and tested.


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GarryB wrote:S-300 is a very good missile system, but a requirement that it kills large strategic bombers means it needs a huge warhead. This in turn means a lot of rocket fuel is needed to get it up to speed and to carry it to distant targets.

With Vityaz, a smaller warhead can be used by making guidance and controls more precise and accurate so the warhead is delivered more effectively. The smaller warhead means less fuel and a smaller missile, which means less drag etc etc in a circle of weight and size reduction.

Smaller lighter missiles are generally cheaper and can be operated in larger numbers.

I would suspect for the Air Force the Vityaz will have a large box structure holding missiles horizontally on a truck base and when operational will rotate that box 90 degrees for vertical launch to allow targets from any direction to be engaged rapidly. The longer slimmer missiles should allow 12 tubes per truck, but the article is talking about an increase in firepower through the increase in guidance channels allowing more targets to be engaged at one time.

It is the lack of guidance channels that allows NATO to defeat old model Soviet SAMs with cruise missile attacks.

The Morfei missile is rather interesting and should be a small compact missile with an IIR seeker with lock on after launch capability that will be used across the services... the Air Force will likely use it as an AAM for helos and stealth fighters as an anti missile missile. I could also be used by AF ground forces to defend airfields and command centres. The Army will likely directly replace the SA-9 and SA-13 IR SAMs, but such missiles might be useful in light brigades as self defence systems, while the Navy can of course use them as CIWS because each missile will be able to engage a target itself so overwhelming a Russian Ship might become rather more difficult.

Beyond this, the Navy might also deploy them on its submarines where the lock on after launch capability means that they can be fired up from a submerged sub to engage enemy MPA and helos flying low (detected by Sonar equipment as noise from above), while deep bunkers could use them to defend themselves from bunker busters. Most bunker buster weapons need to penetrate the ground before exploding, so a SAM that hits the weapon above the ground should be able to destabilise it before impact with the ground resulting in very poor performance in defeating deeply buried targets.

GarryB wrote:
With Vityaz, a smaller warhead can be used by making guidance and controls more precise and accurate so the warhead is delivered more effectively. The smaller warhead means less fuel and a smaller missile, which means less drag etc etc in a circle of weight and size reduction.

Smaller lighter missiles are generally cheaper and can be operated in larger numbers.

I would suspect for the Air Force the Vityaz will have a large box structure holding missiles horizontally on a truck base and when operational will rotate that box 90 degrees for vertical launch to allow targets from any direction to be engaged rapidly. The longer slimmer missiles should allow 12 tubes per truck, but the article is talking about an increase in firepower through the increase in guidance channels allowing more targets to be engaged at one time.

It is the lack of guidance channels that allows NATO to defeat old model Soviet SAMs with cruise missile attacks.

The Morfei missile is rather interesting and should be a small compact missile with an IIR seeker with lock on after launch capability that will be used across the services... the Air Force will likely use it as an AAM for helos and stealth fighters as an anti missile missile. I could also be used by AF ground forces to defend airfields and command centres. The Army will likely directly replace the SA-9 and SA-13 IR SAMs, but such missiles might be useful in light brigades as self defence systems, while the Navy can of course use them as CIWS because each missile will be able to engage a target itself so overwhelming a Russian Ship might become rather more difficult.

Beyond this, the Navy might also deploy them on its submarines where the lock on after launch capability means that they can be fired up from a submerged sub to engage enemy MPA and helos flying low (detected by Sonar equipment as noise from above), while deep bunkers could use them to defend themselves from bunker busters. Most bunker buster weapons need to penetrate the ground before exploding, so a SAM that hits the weapon above the ground should be able to destabilise it before impact with the ground resulting in very poor performance in defeating deeply buried targets.