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    Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:36 am

    Russian heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser to leave repair dock in 2020

    https://tass.com/defense/1101715
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    Post  mnztr on Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:25 am

    George1 wrote:Russian heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser to leave repair dock in 2020

    https://tass.com/defense/1101715

    Of all the Russian naval projects, this is to me, the most interesting one. I cannnot wait to see what the final config of this ship is.


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:05 am

    Agreed. This one will tick a few boxes from my "Personal Satisfaction" bucket-list!! Laughing
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:44 am

    mnztr wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russian heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser to leave repair dock in 2020

    https://tass.com/defense/1101715

    Of all the Russian naval projects, this is to me, the most interesting one. I cannnot wait to see what the final config of this ship is.

    The article mentions that after leaving the drydock there will be still other fitting out work and should be delivered to the navy in 2022.

    https://tass.com/defense/1101715 wrote:
    In September, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said that the cruiser was 50% ready and was set to be delivered to the Navy in 2022. After its repairs and upgrade, the ship will get the Fort-M and Pantsyr-M air defense systems and the powerful Paket-NK and Otvet anti-submarine warfare armament, he said.
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    Post  DerWolf on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:23 pm

    The article mentions that after leaving the drydock there will be still other fitting out work and should be delivered to the navy in 2022.


    Hope Tzirkon missile will be ready to be installed by 2022.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:10 am

    Being such a large vessel could we speculate that if they are working on a new larger UKSK launcher called UKSK-M that it would make sense to fit it to an upgraded Kirov class ship?

    Perhaps they will fit UKSK-M launchers to their new and upgraded ships of destroyer size and bigger, with frigates and corvettes using the smaller UKSK launchers?

    Of course the U in UKSK is universal which means everything gets it... so maybe all UKSKs will be upgraded to UKSK-M, but existing Frigates with UKSK and Redut... is UKSK-M going to replace both or just UKSK?

    Will be interesting when we get some real answers...
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    Post  marat on Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:07 am

    What is Otvet? Any info pls.
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    Post  jhelb on Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:Will be interesting when we get some real answers...

    But the future belongs to modular warships, isn't it? A common hull design adaptable to multiple missions.

    Britain is planning to purchase modular warships as is the US

    https://www.naval-technology.com/news/tobias-ellwood-royal-navy-should-buy-modular-warships-exclusive/

    https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2014/january/modular-warship-2025
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:54 am

    What is Otvet? Any info pls.

    Not heard of it myself, but according to Yandex, Otvet means Response or Answer...
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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:40 pm

    The progress of the modernization of the fRFS 080 Admiral Nakhimov, at the time of February 2020.

    "The refit ship is slated to feature a whopping 174 vertical launch tubes—more than any other surface combatant or submarine in the world. 80 of these tubes will be filled with modern Russian cruise missiles, such as the subsonic Kalibr, supersonic Onix, and supposedly the hypersonic Zircon. Additionally, the ship's air defense capability will be adapted from the S-400 system and will have the rest of its tubes stuffed with the family of missiles associated with it (40N6, 48N6, 9M96). In addition, pretty much every combat related system on the ship is supposedly going to be replaced with modern components and many of the ship's other systems will also be overhauled. The work is being done by Sevmash shipbuilding. "

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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    What is Otvet? Any info pls.

    Not heard of it myself, but according to Yandex, Otvet means Response or Answer...

    It's about anti-sub weapons.

    Maybe on of those RBU type is named like in russian classifacation. Or maybe they developed a new one to replace the older one which would be a good idea. More range with updated guidance for the rockets.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:22 am

    The refit ship is slated to feature a whopping 174 vertical launch tubes—more than any other surface combatant or submarine in the world. 80 of these tubes will be filled with modern Russian cruise missiles, such as the subsonic Kalibr, supersonic Onix, and supposedly the hypersonic Zircon. Additionally, the ship's air defense capability will be adapted from the S-400 system and will have the rest of its tubes stuffed with the family of missiles associated with it (40N6, 48N6, 9M96).

    Wow, so what they are saying is that the 20 Granit launch tubes will be replaced by ten UKSK launchers with 8 tubes each, so with 174 launch tubes suggests 94 remaining launch tubes, which if the missiles are going to be S-400 types then one has to assume these will be Redut launch tubes, but 94 is a pretty strange number... the original launch tubes for the S-300F naval missile were 96 missiles...

    Also they had TOR missile batteries on those ships for close in defence are they counting those?

    The Kuznetsov had about 196 TOR missiles alone so with the new upgraded missiles they should be able to double the numbers of missiles at the very least without taking any more space. The K also had Kashtan systems but their missiles would not be counted as they weren't vertical launch weapons... but still...

    But the future belongs to modular warships, isn't it? A common hull design adaptable to multiple missions.

    Britain is planning to purchase modular warships as is the US

    Not so much the ships as the weapons and sensors...

    During the Cold War I, the Soviets built optimised ships for specific roles... so the Udaloy and Sovremmeny were a similar size with totally different propulsion and weapons and sensors... Udaloy was anti sub so had sonar and anti sub weapons as its primary armament with secondary armament so it could do other things and defend itself. Its engine arrangement is optimised for sub chaser ops. The Sovremmeny is optimised to hunt US Carrier groups and its main armament of SS-N-22 is designed specifically to fly under the AEGIS air defence system leaving US Navy ships with only 20mm gatlings to protect them.

    The Sov also has torpedoes and anti sub depth charger launchers and air defence missiles so it could defend itself and go most places.

    The Metel missile the Udaloy carries is fully dual purpose so it can destroy enemy ships too, but being a very slow subsonic missile with a torpedo attached it is not ideal for penetrating enemy air defences on ships.

    Today you can have a much smaller Corvette sized vessel with a two UKSK launchers that could carry the full main missile load of a Sov in the form of lighter faster longer ranged Onyx missiles, AND the full main missile load of a Udaloy class ship with 91ER2 ballistic missiles... the 91ER2 missiles deliver a torpedo to a similar range to the Metel but it does it at mach 2.

    More importantly this Corvette can carry a mix of those types but the Onyx has a backup land attack capacity which is something Soviet Surface ships never really had... in the 1980s even a Kirov class would not have been able to launch a Calibr attack on targets in Syria...

    Now of course to be fully multirole you need the sensors, but by networking everything together... ships, subs, aircraft, satellites, sea bed sonar arrays, and of course drones in the water, on the water, and in the air means the ship might carry a helicopter or amphibious aircraft for the job of detecting subs.

    Modular is more like having a set of pieces and fitting the pieces together to build what you want, modular in this context however is forming features and capabilities into modules and then working out how to fit all the available modules into every vessel... with big ships that is easy... the Kirov is large enough to carry enormous missiles and big SAMs that defend not just the ship itself but also the ships around it, and it can have SS-N-19 Granit anti ship missiles and also SS-N-14 Metel missiles to also kill subs, but destroyer sized ships with big heavy missiles had to have one and not any others, while corvettes were even more limited... well with Redut and UKSK and soon UKSK-M they can all choose the missiles they need for any job and their loadout can be decided at the pier instead of the drawing board where it is set in stone and is expensive to change.

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