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SeigSoloyvov wrote:Nothing we didn't already know.
But looks like they are finally moving to scrap the non-usable Kirov's.
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/04/18/lom/
Firebird wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:Nothing we didn't already know.
But looks like they are finally moving to scrap the non-usable Kirov's.
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/04/18/lom/
I wonder if that means they will feel forced to start construction of the Lider class nuclear cruisers?
GarryB wrote:They will likely start work on those 7K ton Gorshkov models as they would equate to destroyers and be the minimum sized vessel for global operations... I am not sure they will want to make too many more Frigate types.
They wont be able to afford to have hundreds and hundreds of medium to large ships, and the frigates they have made so far are useful but not as useful as a dozen 7K ton destroyer versions of the Gorshkov design... just expanded with more weapon modules and bigger sensors and perhaps bigger main gun.
24 Gorshkovs with 4-6 being the current model and the rest being 7K ton destroyers, plus perhaps 8-12 20K ton cruisers and two CVNs and perhaps 4 Helicopter carriers for interventions would be a relatively balanced well armed fleet by 2060.
GarryB wrote:....
24 Gorshkovs with 4-6 being the current model and the rest being 7K ton destroyers, plus perhaps 8-12 20K ton cruisers and two CVNs and perhaps 4 Helicopter carriers for interventions would be a relatively balanced well armed fleet by 2060.
George1 wrote:Russian heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser to leave repair dock in 2020
https://tass.com/defense/1101715
mnztr wrote:George1 wrote:Russian heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser to leave repair dock in 2020
https://tass.com/defense/1101715
Of all the Russian naval projects, this is to me, the most interesting one. I cannnot wait to see what the final config of this ship is.
https://tass.com/defense/1101715 wrote:
In September, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said that the cruiser was 50% ready and was set to be delivered to the Navy in 2022. After its repairs and upgrade, the ship will get the Fort-M and Pantsyr-M air defense systems and the powerful Paket-NK and Otvet anti-submarine warfare armament, he said.
The article mentions that after leaving the drydock there will be still other fitting out work and should be delivered to the navy in 2022.
GarryB wrote:Will be interesting when we get some real answers...
What is Otvet? Any info pls.
Experts: the concept of "a new ship in the old hull" did not pay off
February 20, 2020 at 15:05 Theme: Industry
Russian industry has so far failed to promptly carry out repairs and modernization of most large combat surface ships: cruisers, destroyers and BOD. Thus, the concept of “a new ship in the old hull” as applied to them did not materialize. This was told to Mil.Press FlotProm by the interlocutors at the Navy Scientific and Research Center of Naval Forces and the Krylov State Scientific Center.

This was encountered during the modernization of the Project 1164 Marshal Ustinov missile cruiser , and difficulties continue with the Admiral Kuznetsov Project 11435 heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser , as well as the Admiral Nakhimov Project 1144 heavy nuclear-powered cruiser . The modernization of the Peter the Great TARK is actually actually being delayed to the right, and in the case of the RKR Moskva , the shipbuilders have so far limited themselves to repairs (restoration of marching readiness).
Project 956 destroyers could not be maintained in combat readiness (including due to problems with the boiler turbine power plant),Quick "). And the project 1155 BOD will have a large-scale modernization with the reclassification of finished ships to frigates. Its terms traditionally went right: the first five ships were planned to be modernized by 2022. The
average age of the Russian Navy warships exceeded 25 years. The United States has this figure of 20 years , China is 13 years old, said one of the interlocutors of the publication from the former I Institute (now - VSC Navy).
"The large surface ships built in the" golden era "of the USSR Navy have already reached their maximum service lives," he added. "In parallel with maintaining the combat readiness of the old combat units of the fleet, it is necessary to proceed as quickly as possible, finally, to the serial construction of ships in the far sea and ocean zones. For example, project 22350 and 22350M frigates should be built at once in several shipyards, having previously solved the problems with their power plant - with gas turbine engines and gearboxes, and project 20380/20385/20386 corvettes - put in a large series, because these ships are essential for the near sea zone. "
He added that in order to maintain and develop competencies in the design, construction and operation of large ocean-going ships, the creation of the promising destroyer Leader, which is now virtually frozen, should be accelerated . In the event of sufficient seriality, these ships will have to replace Soviet-built missile cruisers, the repair and modernization of which have actually failed. Another option is the creation of a multi-purpose destroyer-class ship with a displacement of about 10-12 thousand tons with a gas turbine power plant. However, the fleet has so far settled on an atomic EM with a displacement of 19 thousand tons.
In turn, the second interlocutor of the publication from the KSCC noted that the modernization of old Soviet cruisers, destroyers and BOD is "a matter of state prestige and the maintenance of at least some large ships of the ocean zone for a while, until the industry was rebuilt to produce a new Russian ocean fleet."
Dmitry Zhavoronkov
GarryB wrote:What is Otvet? Any info pls.
Not heard of it myself, but according to Yandex, Otvet means Response or Answer...
The refit ship is slated to feature a whopping 174 vertical launch tubes—more than any other surface combatant or submarine in the world. 80 of these tubes will be filled with modern Russian cruise missiles, such as the subsonic Kalibr, supersonic Onix, and supposedly the hypersonic Zircon. Additionally, the ship's air defense capability will be adapted from the S-400 system and will have the rest of its tubes stuffed with the family of missiles associated with it (40N6, 48N6, 9M96).
But the future belongs to modular warships, isn't it? A common hull design adaptable to multiple missions.
Britain is planning to purchase modular warships as is the US
The heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, built in the distant 80s at the Baltic Shipyard in Leningrad, is being launched. At the moment, at the Sevmash plant, where it is being repaired and modernized, water is being poured into the dock chamber of the enterprise for the second week.
In order to lower the ship, you need to fill a huge pool with water, then when the ship is afloat, move it to the dock gate and then drain the water again. Since the volume of the chamber is huge, it took more than a week to fill it with water, and all the work was carried out at night so that there were no surges in voltage near the city - after all, the operation is very energy-intensive.
At the moment, they are starting to lower the water - after all, the ship is already directed directly to the bathoport, through which on Monday it will pass and stop at the pier.
The ship will be at the berth for another year or two, it will be completed and mooring tests will be carried out, followed by factory sea trials and state tests.
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mnztr wrote:It will be great just to see it float again. What ship (s) will they put in there?