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    Post  Mir Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:07 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:Loading Chinese SSN Type-093 submarines with cruise missiles.

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    These are Type-041B Yuan class SSK's.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:55 pm

    Mir wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:Loading Chinese SSN Type-093 submarines with cruise missiles.

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    These are Type-041B Yuan class SSK's.

    My mistake.. !

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    Post  Mir Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:12 pm

    Well technically I could also be making a mistake as these subs are also referred to as Type-39A/B/C but as far as I and others are concerned the Yuan subs are not a close relative to the Type-039 Song class subs. Just looking at the hull design tells you that they are rather developed from the Russian Kilos, and they deserve a new Type designation and is now more commonly referred to as the Type-041's.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:20 pm

    Mir wrote:Well technically I could also be making a mistake as these subs are also referred to as Type-39A/B/C but as far as I and others are concerned the Yuan subs are not a close relative to the Type-039 Song class subs. Just looking at the hull design tells you that they are rather developed from the Russian Kilos, and they deserve a new Type designation and is now more commonly referred to as the Type-041's.


    Anyway, I was wrong.. Smile
    I saw the picture on the Russian forum "balancer.ru" and transferred it here, without staring ..

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:03 pm

    The important thing is that you are not doubling down to keep your reputations for always being right and denying the obvious...

    Of course that is easier said than done... for years I was led to believe by western experts that the reason there seemed to be so few T-64s and T-80s and so many T-72s was because the autoloaders in the T-64s and T-80s were faulty and could rip off arms.

    The design of the autoloader in the T-72 is different and holds fewer 6 rounds which suggests they didn't make the change to improve the capacity... but it turns out that some idiot might have reached in to the mechanism while the other crewman was firing or some such rubbish and got a serious injury... stick your hand in any piece of machinery and you can lose it... they don't need to make that up for me to undertand that is possible and if for some reason the commander had to hand load a round or clear something... well accidents happen and of course such rumours would spread rapidly too...

    The point that was discussed to me is that with an autoloading system the only interaction with the crew is loading it, so in exercise or combat or whatever the crew are not going to be reaching over barriers to put their hands in the automatic loading mechanism and if you believed western hype you would expect the May Day parade to consist of one armed tank men every year.

    Being able to look at the evidence and making a decision is key but as the evidence changes then that decision might change.

    My understanding of Putin would be destroyed if Vann and the wests claim that he had billions hidden in the west for his retirement and that he is just a tool of the west escalating things and being the boogey man that western populations need to focus on to distract them from the fact that while the gadgets and goodies they are getting are better their quality of life is not improving and lots of things are going backwards and politicians on both sides just call for wars and new laws when existing laws are not properly enforced.

    The evidence presented is pathetic however and if he did have enormous amounts of money hidden in the west they could declare a victory by seizing it which they have not done... the west has been losing this last 15-20 years or so... they started to go down hill (or start to climb nazi hill) when the Former Yugoslavia collapsed and they pounced like Hyena on a dead horse.... the rest of the animals in the room suddenly realised the ethics and morals it spouted were just words used to justify their less pleasing public actions...

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