The figured that 6 destroyers would be enough, 2 in each carriergroup and 2 in reserv or in maintence. At the time it wasnt any big need for destroyers around the British Island, but im gessing they regret it now.
They did everything they could to do this on the cheap including asking France if they wanted a carrier so they only had to buy one for themselves but got the benefits of making two at once which makes them both cheaper than if you were just making one... on the condition they could borrow the French carrier if they needed it...
Obviously the French said no.
The Brits wanted 12 destroyers, which would have been three groups of four... two of those groups operating each with each of their carriers and the other four in maintenance or upgrade.
The budget was cut yet again and they cut their order to 6 destroyers because despite being the most obvious choice the penalties of cutting one of the carriers would have made it more expensive than getting two carriers.
Now they have two carriers and not enough ships in their entire navy to support them properly so even on their maiden voyage they had to borrow ships from their HATO allies to operate with their new carrier... their new destroyer has problems and most are out of service for a lot of the time...
Which suggests buying 6 instead of 12 is not as bad as it seems I suppose really.
But a Destroyer is just big enough to defend itself and ships around it... Corvettes have limited self defence, while Frigates should be able to defend themselves and would work well together with a group of Corvettes in making those ships better protected.
A destroyer can defend itself and the sea around itself, but works better with other ships working together in air defence.
A Cruiser can manage the air defence of a group of ships and coordinates air defence with the air defence component of any carrier in the group, while the carrier controls the overall mission of the carrier group (ie land attack or whatever).
Latest update from the Dalian shipyard. Looks like another 5! destroyers are under construction. This is just sick.
They are certainly building up an impressive fleet... wonder how their nuclear weapon stockpile and missile capacity is going... their core nuclear weapons capability was based on medium and intermediate range weapons to allow itself to fight its neighbours, but the US ripping up the INF treaty, they are going to want much longer ranged missiles in numbers that will make the US think twice about its bullying.
Cruisers are getting extinct with the line between different classes of ships becoming more and more blurred.
I don't agree... the main issue for the Soviet Union regarding cruisers was the cost of nuclear propulsion and lack of suitable propulsion systems.
With their new nuclear powered icebreakers and other developments I honestly think fossil fuel price fluctuations and availability issues over the next few decades will make nukes more attractive and green as a propulsion technology.
With nuclear propulsion cruiser sized ships have all the advantages of large ships without the issues of running costs... the first generation laser air defence systems will benefit from nuclear powered energy sources and large areas on board ships to locate all the bits and pieces... but also a bigger ship means more space for more missiles and much bigger much more powerful longer ranged sensors... sonar, radar, optical etc etc...
I don't think they will make cruisers as big as the Orlan class simply because they wont need to be.... many of the antenna and sensors consolidated into fewer very large antenna, and of course vertical launch systems all over the place... and perhaps 200km+ range 203mm guns maybe... perhaps 180km range 152mm guns to start with on destroyers and cruisers... with guided shells such weapons would be very useful against a range of targets including enemy ships.
203mm shells with 110kg payloads could be used as a depth charge launcher when the location of an enemy sub is revealed by it launching something or otherwise making noise.
The Slava class needs a serious upgrade in terms of AD systems even though I don't believe the Moskva was hit.
Naval TOR is vastly superior to OSA... and upgrading the electronics wouldn't hurt either.
A decent carrier group should include two cruisers and a half dozen destroyers too...