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    Cold War II_(US-West vs Russia/China tensions)

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:23 pm

    Ontop of that are all the countries under US financial and political hegemony.

    In New Zealand we have Whenuapai where they have the listening systems for spying on the Pacific and Asia, but we also have their base in Christchurch for supporting their antarctic operations too, and it wouldn't surprise me if there weren't other bases... NASA is funding some work here too regarding rockets and atmosphere testing with balloons etc and the NSA works with our GCSB.

    I think we're literally seeing two or more Worlds forming again.
    In many ways a far more combative situation that Cold War 1.

    But there were always three worlds... the two parts actively fighting... the western world is the first world and the second world was the communist world, while the third world never really took active part but were used for resources and war zones.

    The change is essentially the second world is no longer limited to communist countries and their surrogates or hangers on... and might expand into the third world bringing themup to their level... something the west and the first world never did unless it was of critical urgency... like Germany and Japan joining the west in the interests of bolstering their capabilities against the Soviets after WWII despite them being on the Axis side and adopting eastern europe and some ex soviet states after the end of the cold war...

    They don't seem to be in a hurry to make them rich or powerful so to start with it might seem like a great deal.. lifted out of the water that the second world sank in at the end of the cold war but it seems they can't get above the servant quarters level on the wests ship, while Russia has raised its ship out of the water and is trading with China and has now stopped trying to be friends with the west and is looking elsewhere for friends and allies and trade partners.

    The children in Poland and the baltic states and other eastern and western european countries might regret the decisions their parents have made.

    Edit:
    Seems some sane Americans are still alive

    The sane ones were always there, but up until now the western media has been ignoring them and stepping over them and past them to put their microphones in front of the pro war nutters who think western weapons will obliterate Russia as easily as they obliterate everyone else they pick a fight with... ignoring the fact that they don't get the truth in those situations and no country is actually a walk over and lots of other factors have to come in to play for these victories like sanctions to weaken and isolate...

    The fact that the sane people are getting a voice suggests perhaps those that control what we hear realise no matter what weapons HATO pumps into the Ukraine that Russia is going to do what they want to do and no sanctions will stop them... is this really worth destroying the west for... because Russia certainly has the nuclear capacity to do that easily... they wont because it means their destruction too, but when that is going to happen anyway they might as well protect the rest of the world from the west when the west takes them out.

    The question is will these thinkers be listened too and will more dissenting voices be heard or will it be pushed back under the carpet and calls for sending in HATO troops continue.

    I suspect this talk has come from people hearing the plan for Poland to enter Ukraine with their troops... which would make them fair game for the Russian forces... I am sure if Russia sent in forces to help the Taliban or even just sent them MANPADS and ATGMs the west would go ballistic about how dangerous these weapons are and sending thousands to terrorist hands is irresponsible and any civilian airliner getting shot down will be all Russias fault going forward... blah blah blah...

    Double standards are fun aren't they?
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    Post  PhSt Thu May 12, 2022 3:34 am



    Finland’s president and PM make statement on NATO

    Russia’s northern neighbor will seek membership in the US-led military bloc

    President Sauli Niinisto and Prime Minister Sanna Marin of Finland made a joint statement on Thursday morning, confirming their nation’s desire to become part of NATO. The country refrained from asking for accession during the Cold War, but made a U-turn after the Russian attack against Ukraine in February.

    The statement expressed the view that “as a member of NATO, Finland would strengthen the entire defense alliance.” The two officials said their country “must apply for NATO membership without delay”.

    https://www.rt.com/news/555342-finland-nato-membership-bid/

    By joining NATzO Finland has turned itself into a major threat to Russian national security. From what we are all witnessing now, minorities don't really feel any gratitude towards Russia when they are allowed to secede, the Russian empire allowed Finland to be independent, the Soviets did the same the Ukraine, Baltics and Georgia, look at what people of these countries are doing now, they are all hellbent in in their desire to destroying Russia. Once Russia is finished exterminating the Ukronazis, Russia will have to clean the Baltics and Finland to show to the world that Article 5 is just a BIG JOKE. attack

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    Post  Kiko Sun May 22, 2022 8:56 am

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:20 am

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    Is something up in Nicaragua?
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    Post  Kiko Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:00 pm

    Hole wrote:Cold War II_(US-West vs Russia/China tensions) - Page 15 000449
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    Is something up in Nicaragua?

    Russian troops are now being admitted in Nicaraguan territory for starting humanitarian purposes. Nicaragua, Venezuela and Cuba were not invited by Blinken's State Department to Biden's Summit of the Americas now being held in LA, USA.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 12, 2022 3:13 am

    Once Russia is finished exterminating the Ukronazis, Russia will have to clean the Baltics and Finland to show to the world that Article 5 is just a BIG JOKE. attack

    Technically it is the current governments of Finland and Sweden making these choices... haven't read about any referendums regarding this, but then being Europe you don't need referendums... just ask Washington.

    I would say the best revenge the Russian people could get with Finland and Sweden is make them trade in Rubles for everything with Russia... which would result in them stopping all trade because the US wont allow that. Reorient the regions exports and trade towards international products and efforts and move trade to the ports and air ports and rail links to the rest of the world.

    These countries are like the Baltic states and were upset when Russia stopped routing trade through their ports and started shifting them to their own Russian ports.

    The money that used to go through Baltic ports and Baltic rail lines were shifted to Russian ports and Russian rail lines...

    Because if you look at the Ukraine the US was keen on the Neon and the Grain and other resources but left Antonov and Motor Sich and other potential rivals to their own MIC to shrivel and die... why would they do anything different with Finland and Sweden...
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    Post  Kiko Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:23 pm

    Russia's strategic capability in Central America surprised the US, newspaper says, 13.06.2022.

    The Russian strategy in relations with Nicaragua surprised the US, according to Steven Blank of The Hill newspaper.

    Earlier, Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega allowed the temporary presence of foreign military personnel in the country, including from Russia, for humanitarian purposes.

    This permission was received by troops from Venezuela, Honduras, Guatemala, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, El Salvador and the USA, as well as from Russia.

    The permit not only involves ground troops, but also the temporary deployment of warships and aircraft.

    According to the newspaper, this measure could make possible the first significant appearance of Russian troops in Central America, allowing a strong presence in Nicaragua.

    In addition, the author of the article points out that if Russia sends warships to the country, the parties will be able to conclude an agreement on the permanent deployment of the Russian fleet in the region, allowing Moscow to create naval bases in Central America.

    Another factor highlighted by the newspaper is that in this way, Russia can also establish economic and military ties with developing countries, gaining influence abroad, which caught the US off guard.

    "Russia was able to develop this strategy despite its economic constraints, as the US did not pay enough attention to events in these countries," the newspaper said.

    Thus, the newspaper points out that with American arrogance, the US is losing influence in the Americas and creating opportunities for other powers, such as Russia.

    Yandex Translate from Portuguese

    https://br.sputniknews.com/20220613/capacidade-estrategica-da-russia-na-america-central-surpreendeu-eua-aponta-jornal-23060694.html

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:32 pm

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    Post  Kiko Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:34 pm

    The Nicaraguan Parliament approved the entry of Russian troops despite US threats, 14.06.2022.

    MANAGUA (Sputnik) — The Nicaraguan National Assembly approved, with 79 votes (91), the income of military troops, ships and aircraft for humanitarian purposes, among which are the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, despite threats from Washington by the presence of Russian military in the region.

    "We are in our own courtyard, neither the front nor the back, it is our own courtyard, and it is what gives us the total and sovereign freedom to put in the corresponding dimension the gratitude to a nation [Russia] that has not taken from us, that has always given us," said Deputy Moisés Absalón Pastora, an ally of the ruling Sandinista National Liberation Front (FSLN), during the plenary session.

    The president of Nicaragua, Daniel Ortega, authorized on June 8, the entry of troops of Russia, the united States, Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Venezuela, Dominican Republic and Cuba, to participate in the training, and sharing in humanitarian aid operations, missions, search, rescue, and rescue in emergency situations or natural disasters, according to the decree published in The official La Gaceta.

    The president also authorized members of the Nicaraguan army to travel to these nations to carry out humanitarian activities, an exchange that had to be ratified by the National Assembly.

    The decision of the State of Nicaragua, which is due to an ordinary exchange, which has been held twice a year, since the 90s, was rejected on Friday, June 10, in the context of the Summit of the Americas, by the advisor for hemispheric security affairs of the United States, Juan González.

    González said that his country is considering taking "forceful measures" against Nicaragua, to exclude it from the Free Trade Agreement with Central America and the Dominican Republic — DR-CAFTA, for its acronym in English—, for inviting Russian troops to military exchange on its territory.
    Deputy Pastora stated that the only invasion that Nicaragua has received from Russia is that of cooperation for collective transport, for the fight against COVID-19 and to advise the National Police in the fight against drug trafficking and organized crime.

    Wálmaro Gutiérrez, deputy of the FSLN, defended Nicaragua's right to develop its bilateral relations with the ends and countries it wishes.

    "Definitely the thief judges by his condition, because unlike those countries guerreristas, Nicaragua is a free, sovereign, independent, self-determined, democratic and peace-loving; a social State of law that does things with the basis of the Constitution and that it has the right to develop relations of all types in the framework of the law and the exercise of their democratic sovereignty," he said.

    Sandinista legislator Filiberto Rodríguez described as a "tradition" the ratification of the legislative decree, which is initialed by the National Assembly every beginning of the semester.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:47 am

    Expect the CIA to approach drug lords and gang leaders in the country to see what the US can do to create chaos in that country... to destabilise it and punish it for not being Americas bitch.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:50 am

    GarryB wrote:Expect the CIA to approach drug lords and gang leaders in the country to see what the US can do to create chaos in that country... to destabilise it and punish it for not being Americas bitch.

    Its debatle how effective.thats going to be, nowadays america's reputation is so in the toilet that even drug lords and kingpins will think twice if not thrice in making deals with uncle sam.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:04 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Expect the CIA to approach drug lords and gang leaders in the country to see what the US can do to create chaos in that country... to destabilise it and punish it for not being Americas bitch.

    Its debatle how effective.thats going to be, nowadays america's reputation is so in the toilet that even drug lords and kingpins will think twice if not thrice in making deals with uncle sam.

    They have been very effective in Venezuela at rallying the underworld to destabilize the country. I am not going to sing Venezuela's praises, but the US
    routinely employs all sorts of slime to further its geopolitical ambitions. Syria and Ukraine are good examples.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:04 pm

    For decades they engaged in terrorism and criminal activity in Cuba and the Soviet Union... killing important people, damaging things, burning crops etc etc... the rules of morality and ethics are totally ignored... they are just like a super big super rich Israel really.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:11 am

    It follows from the June 17th WP article that neocon Robert Kagan has taken full control over the State Department and over all US foreign policy.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:07 pm

    If we look at the track record of the Kagans this is good news. Except for the US and their minions. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:28 pm

    O Ocidente não é "flor que se cheire": West is not a flower for smelling, as the Brazilian saying goes.

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:52 am

    Do we have any reliable forecast how bad the next winter is going to be in Germany? In case of a big energy crisis I am not sure whether the political elites would get stronger or whether the German population could turn the tables to end the vasal status of Germany, once they realize that America is going to sacrifice them for their insane plans against Russia.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:29 am

    We will see... but even the US public didn't buy that Putin was responsible for inflation in the US, so maybe there is some hope...
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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:19 pm

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/07/australia-finally-recognizes-that-the-aukus-deal-makes-no-sense-at-all.html#more

    I put this link here, because the "deal" is part of the "new" cold war.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:50 am

    Yup, getting Australia to buy a type of Submarine it does not need for money it can't afford to meet US interests.

    Australia could only possibly need an SSN if they wanted to operate far from Australian waters for long periods... like off the coast of China where the US wants them.

    It would also justify a large US naval base in Australia which they will also like for forward deploying forces to piss off the Chinese.

    In a recent meeting in the Pacific the US went to great efforts to point out it is a Pacific nation, while ignoring that Russia and China are too.

    The Aussies dropped a French deal for a conventional sub based on a nuclear sub design for probably 90 billion for an alternative SSN design that they have no idea of yet to be made who knows where and there is no way it will only be 90 billion... it will be 500 billion or more because they need to build a completely new ground based infrastructure and nuclear industry to support these subs and it is not going to be cheap.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:50 pm

    US hysterically calling for their minions to help them set the world on fire, now tensions are being ramped up in Kosovo. "Surprisingly" Blinken was there 5 days ago censored

    The issue can followed here:

    https://t.me/s/asbmil

    Can our Serbian friends in the board report what is going on? Is this serious?

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    Post  LMFS Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:00 pm

    ASB Military News
    Forwarded from Donbass Devushka (Area 52)

    Comment by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry M.V. Zakharova

    “The decision of the “authorities” in Pristina to start, from August 1st, the application of unreasonable discriminatory “rules” on the forced replacement of personal documents and registration numbers of local Serbs is another step towards the expulsion of the Serb population from Kosovo, the displacement of Kosovo Serb institutions that ensure the protection of the rights of Serbian residents from arbitrariness Pristina radicals led by the "premier" A. Kurti. The Kosovar leaders know that the Serbs will not remain indifferent when it comes to a direct attack on their freedoms, and they deliberately escalate in order to launch a military scenario. Of course, Belgrade is also at the forefront of the attack, which the West wants to additionally "neutralize" with Kosovo Albanian hands.

    We call on Pristina and the US and EU behind it to stop provocations and respect the rights of Serbs in Kosovo."

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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:35 am

    Pelosi going to Taiwan and upsetting things in Kosovo... it seems the US wants distractions to take away attention from the situation in the Ukraine...

    Could it be they expect collapse, or they have finally gone batshit crazy and want to set fire to everything they possibly can before they get revealed for the conniving evil monsters that they are...

    edit: sounds like Belgrade could do with some NLAWs and Javelins with their faulty weak batteries replaced... perhaps some Stingers too...

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    Post  LMFS Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:25 am

    GarryB wrote:Pelosi going to Taiwan and upsetting things in Kosovo... it seems the US wants distractions to take away attention from the situation in the Ukraine...

    Could it be they expect collapse, or they have finally gone batshit crazy and want to set fire to everything they possibly can before they get revealed for the conniving evil monsters that they are...

    edit: sounds like Belgrade could do with some NLAWs and Javelins with their faulty weak batteries replaced... perhaps some Stingers too...  

    They need waters as murky as possible, international economy disrupted and the multipolar world criminalized to pull off their plans. But in general they just look increasingly desperate and by now they are betting the farm in increasingly risky adventures:

    > In 404, they offer a historical opportunity to Russia of finishing the anti-Russian project called Ukraine for good and consolidating their ancient lands under one political authority.
    > In Taiwan, they risk forcing China to take control of the critical semiconductors industry located there, plus transferring de facto control of the West Pacific from their hands into Chinese ones, with what it means for Japan, Korea and the rest of their colonies in the region
    > In the Balkans, forcing Serbia to take control of Kosovo and Montenegro, given they are increasingly being harassed, isolated and marked for elimination. The access to the sea is critical for them receive support and may be forced to take it back forcefully.

    Provocations are easy to implement, what is more important is to be able to calculate properly what your real strength is, in order to actually win from the destabilisation you create more than your rivals. And that is where the West is simply too arrogant and too incompetent, not realizing that Russia, China and other countries aversion of conflicts was not hiding weakness, but exactly the opposite.

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