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    Post  andalusia Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:48 am

    What do you guys think of these two articles?


    Why the United States and Russia Can Never Be Friends


    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/12/why_the_united_states_and_russia_can_never_be_friends.html


    https://www.glennbeck.com/2017/03/07/11-reasons-why-america-and-russia-will-never-be-friends/
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:23 am


    Why the United States and Russia Can Never Be Friends

    Even without reading the articles they are wrong... Russia has been friends with the US, Russia helped the US during the war against the British and plenty of US soldiers offered their sniping services when Russia was fighting the British in the Crimea.

    The US and Russia are not friends because the US elite chooses to make them enemies because they think they need a powerful enemy to rally the population against so they ignore their other problems and accept a war footing so they will put up with buildings and bridges collapsing due to neglect and mismanagement.

    I mean obviously high speed trains across the US and second to none but still affordable healthcare, and obviously US leadership in clean green technologies that turn US waste into energy to the point where you no longer rely on oil... imported or otherwise... are not as important as having listening posts building the Baltic States and the Ukraine...

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:49 pm



    Lithuania's lickspittle move vis a vis Taiwan's independence status has produced a blowback.
    China has dropped Lithuania from the trade registry so it cannot ship goods to China and for
    that matter cannot get goods from China either.

    China is already harassed by banking regulations where selling goods to toilets like Lithuania
    becomes a chore on the level of selling rocket parts to Iran. NATzO smarmies thought that
    China would waste time with this chihuahua trying to sort out the Taiwan issue. China has
    shown NATzO that it will not be diverted by chihuahuas.

    China my respekt

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:03 pm



    The neocons are utterly deluded if they think they can bait Russia into a war using Ukraine. The Russian government
    would not be pushing the harder line against NATzO's aggression if it did not have any idea about the "cunning plan"
    to use Ukraine and did not spend the last 7 years making sure that NATzO does not have this option. Nothing has
    stopped Russia from training and equipping the Donbass armies to a much higher state. We are not talking a
    few banana republic advisors, but actual training, specifically the officers. Russia will also provide EW support to
    the Donbass defenders if Kiev tries to invade.

    Ukria is not going to attack Crimea since nobody will save it from devastating retaliation. Russia does not have to
    invade Ukria in any scenario. It just needs to use remote missile strikes to take out all of its bridges, railway hubs
    and critical infrastructure. Invasion is for colonization and clearly Russia has no desire to take care of this failed
    state. Even its owners in Washington can't be bothered to send it an extra billion dollars, but somehow Russia is
    supposed to take on the full burden. GTFO.

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    Post  franco Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:18 pm

    So this gentlemen has the solution "Beautiful Russia of the Future" in which Russia becomes a good neighbor who does what they are told happily. Had always assumed he was Russian, boy was I wrong No


    Pavel Podvig@russianforces
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    It is, of course, a long-term goal - Beautiful Russia of the Future and all that - but that should be clearly spelled out. The talk about containment, red lines, etc. is really not helpful. 14/

    https://twitter.com/russianforces/status/1467239780685651971
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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:34 pm

    franco wrote:So this gentlemen has the solution "Beautiful Russia of the Future" in which Russia becomes a good neighbor who does what they are told happily. Had always assumed he was Russian, boy was I wrong  No


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    It is, of course, a long-term goal - Beautiful Russia of the Future and all that - but that should be clearly spelled out. The talk about containment, red lines, etc. is really not helpful. 14/

    https://twitter.com/russianforces/status/1467239780685651971

    In Russian the word "podvig" means progress or move forward ("dvig" = movement and "po" = over or along).
    There are a lot of such wankers in Russia who should hurry along and move to America or somewhere else
    instead of trying to foist their BS ideology on Russia. Podvig sounds like is living outside of Russia anyway.

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    Post  franco Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:52 pm

    kvs wrote:
    franco wrote:So this gentlemen has the solution "Beautiful Russia of the Future" in which Russia becomes a good neighbor who does what they are told happily. Had always assumed he was Russian, boy was I wrong  No


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    It is, of course, a long-term goal - Beautiful Russia of the Future and all that - but that should be clearly spelled out. The talk about containment, red lines, etc. is really not helpful. 14/

    https://twitter.com/russianforces/status/1467239780685651971

    In Russian the word "podvig" means progress or move forward ("dvig" = movement and "po" = over or along).
    There are a lot of such wankers in Russia who should hurry along and move to America or somewhere else
    instead of trying to foist their BS ideology on Russia.   Podvig sounds like is living outside of Russia anyway.


    Geneva and the USA. Probably American with Russian ancestry.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:43 am

    Would post an image of Captain Picard infected with Borg components saying to his still human crew... come on over the water is nice and warm and the food is great... all you have to do is accept your humanity to be replaced with machine components so you can become part of the collective and have peace and democracy and freedom....

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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:10 pm

    Beijing vows to take countermeasures following US boycott of 2022 Olympics

    According to Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Zhao Lijian, Beijing expressed its strong discontent and firm protest to the US, and had already submitted an official reprimand

    BEIJING, December 7. /TASS/. China will take decisive measures in the wake of the US diplomatic boycott of the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Zhao Lijian told a briefing on Tuesday.

    "The US actions seriously violate the principle of political neutrality regarding athletics and sports established by the Olympic Charter," he pointed out. "Beijing expresses its strong discontent and firm protest to the US, and has already submitted an official reprimand, in addition, it [Beijing] will take decisive countermeasures," the diplomat stressed.

    He stayed tight-lipped on which measures would be implemented. "The US will pay a price for their erroneous actions, keep an eye out for the information," Zhao Lijian noted.

    The diplomat stressed that the Winter Olympic Games is not "a stage for political shows or schemes." According to him, the US debated sending or not sending officials to the Olympics because of so-called human rights issues in Xinjiang. Zhao Lijian blasted the move, saying it distorted the facts and was nothing more than self-deception. Washington’s political stance won’t garner any support and is doomed to fail. He also stressed that the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics is a solemn occasion for athletes and sports fans throughout the world, they will be the main actors of this event.

    On Monday, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki announced that the US had decided to stage a diplomatic boycott of the upcoming Olympics in China. That said, she clarified that this did not apply to the US athletes who can take part in the Games.

    Calls for boycotting the Olympics in Beijing were earlier voiced by politicians from Canada, Norway, and the United States as well as by representatives of about 200 human rights organizations around the globe. The reason behind the demand for the boycott regards China’s alleged mass repressions of ethnic Uyghurs in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.

    The 24th Winter Olympic Games will run in Beijing from February 4 to 20, 2022, and the Paralympic Games from March 4 to 13.

    https://tass.com/sport/1371827

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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:23 pm

    franco wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    franco wrote:So this gentlemen has the solution "Beautiful Russia of the Future" in which Russia becomes a good neighbor who does what they are told happily. Had always assumed he was Russian, boy was I wrong  No


    Pavel Podvig@russianforces
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    It is, of course, a long-term goal - Beautiful Russia of the Future and all that - but that should be clearly spelled out. The talk about containment, red lines, etc. is really not helpful. 14/

    https://twitter.com/russianforces/status/1467239780685651971

    In Russian the word "podvig" means progress or move forward ("dvig" = movement and "po" = over or along).
    There are a lot of such wankers in Russia who should hurry along and move to America or somewhere else
    instead of trying to foist their BS ideology on Russia.   Podvig sounds like is living outside of Russia anyway.


    Geneva and the USA. Probably American with Russian ancestry.  

    His last name sounds contrived to me. I am not aware of "progress" used as a Russian surname. Probably some
    Bolshie lover poser.

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:39 pm

    America: we boycott Chinese Beijing Olympics.

    China: you cannot boycott the event that you are not invited to.  Smile Smile

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    Post  Hole Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:15 pm

    Well, after China invaded Iraq back in 2003 and killed more then 2 million people there in the coming years they deserved nothing else! unshaven Ups. I think I got something wrong here. Wink

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:31 am



    Excellent point about NATzO bleating over Ukria having a right to join NATzO and for NATzO to install weapons against Russia
    on its soil. Somehow this right did not exist for Cuba in 1962 when the US was basically about to start a nuclear war because
    of Soviet missiles. BTW, the US installed nuclear missiles in Turkey first. NATzO and its owner, the USA, are total bloody
    hypocrites.

    Russia has a right to destroy Ukria if Ukria participates in military activity that is designed to destroy Russia. NATzO can
    call it defensive all it wants. NATzO has zero credibility due to decades of lying. Recall the lies about the missile complexes
    in eastern Europe being aimed at Iran.

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:43 pm



    Nice video pouring scorn on the threats of sanctions coming out of Washington. The latest US blowhard "nuclear option"
    is to cut Russia off from SWIFT. Go ahead and shoot yourselves in the foot, again, clowns. The only thing that cutting
    Russia off from SWIFT would achieve is to demonstrate to the world that the western finance system is politically corrupt
    and can be used for blackmail at any time.

    For now we have a phase transition barrier effect holding the status quo. If Russia is forced to engage its own SWIFT version,
    then its important role in the global economy (which the GDP size does not measure) will create a nucleation effect where
    countries adopt the alternative system. China will sign up for sure. So we have a phase transition cascade and the west
    is left with a major loss from its moronic posturing.


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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:59 pm

    Would be funny to watch how western countries pay for the stuff they buy in Russia (like gas, oil, fertilizer, titanium...). In the end Germany, Italy and so on would be forced to join the russian system. Or pay in cash/with gold. Very Happy

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:57 pm

    Hole wrote:Would be funny to watch how western countries pay for the stuff they buy in Russia (like gas, oil, fertilizer, titanium...). In the end Germany, Italy and so on would be forced to join the russian system. Or pay in cash/with gold. Very Happy

    You will just send trains with gold, and we will steal it, just like the Ukraine steals gas/oil Laughing
    As soon as you will retrieve your gold from US, of course Laughing And the real one, not the painted wolfram they delivered to the Chinese Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Post  LMFS Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:22 am

    Interesting analysis integrating many facts past and present of geopolitics and finance, worth reading:

    https://thesaker.is/why-russia-didnt-shoot-anything-down-yet/

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:15 pm

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/543173-anti-china-propaganda-guardian/

    Who’s the world’s sole imperial power – the country with one overseas military base or the one with 750?

    The Guardian thinks China is building a global empire and that American imperialism is somehow over. Yet, with the latter stationing its military in more than 80 countries around the globe, the facts state otherwise.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:15 am

    2021-the year of Russia without war

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    30.12.2021, 08:55Exclusive

    Russia has lived another year without a war. Counting from 2014, this is already the eighth year, but if we count from 2008, when the United States first tried to organize an "Afghanistan" for Russia in Georgia on the near approaches, it is already the fourteenth year

    During this time, Russia has grown stronger, armed itself, formed an informal but very effective alliance with China, implemented most of the import substitution program, and redirected a significant part of its critical exports from Europe to Asia.

    The transformation is far from complete. Russia has militarily defeated all potential opponents without a war: in terms of modern weapons, they are at least 10 years behind Moscow (the closest pursuers), or even twenty or thirty years (those who still hope to create something similar), and most of them are forever (simply because they do not even conduct research in the field of hypersound and deep-sea attack drones, not to mention designing promising models of such weapons).

    But the Americans are still trying to draw with Russia economically. No longer hoping to break the self-sufficient Russian economy, they are trying to marginalize Russia and its few allies and keep most of the planet under their economic control. Since they cannot beat Moscow in the purely economic sphere — as already mentioned, the Russian economy is self-sufficient and is capable not only of producing everything necessary under the conditions of a total American blockade, but also of displacing American products from world markets — the economic war against Russia had to be waged by non-economic methods.

    More than once, the US plans described by us and not by us were simple and effective: to organize a relatively large regional conflict involving Russia and those of its allies who are not sorry for it, to declare Moscow an incompetent aggressor, and to organize a political and economic blockade of it with the support of the still remaining majority on the world stage (see voting in the UN General Assembly on resolutions condemning Russia for something). Thus, the United States planned to keep more than two-thirds of the world's states under its control, abandoning in favor of Russia and China what was already lost, as well as what they could seize during the regional war provoked by the United States.

    The territorial increments of Moscow and Beijing as a result of the war could not be large — the available resource base and the need to invest in the development of existing territories did not allow us to master too large acquisitions. So the United States expected to go into economic isolation, getting off with little (and someone else's) blood, with a good piece of the planet to boot. If for the American state this only prolonged the agony, then the current elites could count on the safety margin of the current American system to be enough for their lives.

    Perhaps, if the question had been put squarely ten years ago, Russia would have agreed to such a division of the world. It was unprofitable for it and led to serious financial and economic losses for two or three decades (the time of the agony of the American empire and the first, most difficult stage of the recovery period after its fall). But in the end, during the lifetime of both the current and the next generation, the United States still suffered a world-historic geopolitical defeat.

    However, over the past decade and a half since the beginning of the open confrontation, Russia has seriously strengthened militarily. As far as I understand, this year it was decided that starting a game of raising the stakes by Moscow (so far only the West has raised them first, Russia has exclusively accepted the challenge) will be more productive and less resource-intensive than agreeing that before its final death, the United States will ruin 2/3 of the planet to the state of Ukraine (which will then need to be restored).

    In any case, in the spring of this year, the West was faced with an unexpectedly sharp response from Russia to traditional provocations in Ukraine. For some time, the West believed that Moscow was bluffing and the situation was teetering on the verge of nuclear war. The military danger peaked in May, but by the beginning of June, the West had come to its senses, realized that it was not being trifled with, and switched to a strategy of negotiating about nothing, delaying time and trying to develop an effective response to Russia's geopolitical innovation.

    At the same time, attempts to organize a large-scale conflict on the borders of Russia, in which Moscow's participation would have become inevitable, have intensified. The range of provocations expanded and by August included not only Ukraine, but also Belarus. If successful, the United States was ready to set fire to the entire arc: from the Baltic to the Black Sea and then through Transcaucasia to the Caspian Sea.

    The Kremlin's response was a December ultimatum. The stakes were raised again. The United States was offered no options to accept the Russian proposal or prepare for the worst. Initially, Washington reacted to this threat quite calmly, hoping that the" worst " would begin in Ukraine, which the United States is quite happy with. But the subsequent statements of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Defense and the Kremlin, as well as demonstrative tests of new weapons (including the Zircon hypersonic missile), clearly intended not for war with Ukraine or any other Eastern European Burkina Faso, but clearly aimed at nullifying the US military power, showed that Moscow's threats are only secondarily related to Eastern European American vassals and protectorates, first of all,

    Russia does not plan to wage a protracted war with serfs, it threatens its masters. Motivation for this behavior statedPeskov in an interviewSolovyov: "We have been deceived for twenty years." In fact, they cheated for longer, all thirty or even forty years, but it seems that the current Russian government does not turn to hoary antiquity, but relies only on relations with the West, which were built during the reign of the current president.

    Now, according to the Kremlin's logic, since we, naive and gullible, have been deceived for twenty years, then we need to win back the situation for the period before the beginning of these deceptions. The Russian Foreign Ministry in its ultimatum outlined the situation as of 1997 as a line to which the West must retreat in order for Russia to agree that justice has been restored and its vital interests are not under immediate threat.

    This is the answer not only to the United States, but also to all those who were puzzled to ask how it turns out that they, so smart (and the whole world with them) see that Russia is being deceived, and only the naive Kremlin does not notice. I've always said that if you can't get the cheater to return to his original position (and punish him at the same time), then it's better to pretend that you don't see the deception and gather forces to restore justice later. Otherwise, the cries of the deceived but helpless will look comical and only further undermine their prestige.

    Russia bided its time, gathered its forces, and "saw" the deception. Now she demands to return everything as it was, threatening the deceiver with violence. It is no coincidence that Moscow constantly emphasizes that there are Western contingents on the territories of Ukraine and other Eastern European countries. After all, you can not capture Kiev and Vilnius, but simply strike, and not necessarily even with your own hands, at Western military personnel located in these territories (you never know where any "partisans" may appear).

    Then the West will face a dilemma: squeak, cry, but suffer losses or threaten war with a militarily superior nuclear power in response to the actions of unidentified partisans in the territories of third countries.

    Yes, you never know what other damage can be inflicted on "friends and partners", so that it seems that it is necessary to answer, and there is no one to answer, and it is terrible to attack Russia — it is not for nothing that Moscow checked the reaction of the West to the threat of a full-scale conflict with the potential use of all types of available weapons,

    The West then "blinked", as a result, the entire second half of 2021 passed under the sign of Russian dominance, and with it the whole year became the year of the Russian diplomatic offensive.

    It is easy to understand that the West will not just accept this situation. In 2022, he will try to take revenge for the diplomatic defeats of 2021. The first attempt will be made as early as January-the United States has previously proposed holding an expert-level meeting to discuss Russian proposals as early as January 12 and no later than the 20th of the same month. Their main task will be to get out from under the pressure of the Russian ultimatum and return to the traditional scheme of negotiations without result.
    I wonder what move Russia has prepared for this case?

    It should be understood that the Kremlin's position is also not so simple. The point of raising the stakes is not to unleash a nuclear war, but to prevent even a regional conflict, forcing the United States to continue to fight in a bad world, but in which the Americans are losing faster and do not have a good option for action.

    Therefore, next year Russia will try to continue its victorious march along the razor's edge, and the United States will again try to lead it astray.

    https://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20211230/1032973692.html

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:48 am

    Leaders of Russia, China, US, UK, France adopt joint statement on preventing nuclear war

    https://tass.com/politics/1383675

    Interesting development. Apparently signed under initiative from Russia
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:15 am



    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/indonesia-ban-export-coal-shortage-energy-power-2410306

    Indonesia bans coal exports in January on domestic power worries

    The Indonesian Coal Mining Association (ICMA) called on the energy minister to revoke the export ban, saying in a statement the policy was "taken hastily without being discussed with business players".

    The widespread export ban may disrupt monthly coal production volumes of around 38 million to 40 million tonnes, said ICMA chairman Pandu Sjahrir. In recent years, Indonesia has exported about 30 million tonnes of coal in the month of January.

    The association said it was also concerned about potential disputes with buyers if coal producers declared force majeure for not being able to deliver coal exports.

    "Ships sailing to Indonesian waters will also experience conditions of uncertainty and this would affect Indonesia's reputation and reliability as world's coal supplier," Sjahrir said.

    Indonesia is a US stooge state. This has been the case after the US engineered the bloody coup during the 1960s.
    This move with the coal is clearly an attempt to disrupt China.

    1) Covid has not affected coal mining output in the country

    2) Why would the power plants be short of coal? This is a tropical country where there is basically no weather change aside from
    the monsoon cycle. According to an Indonesian acquaintance of mine, they introduced a weather report on TV which was then
    removed since it had basically no value.

    Yet another engineered shortage to push the Reset agenda.

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