Su-35S: News

I was just suggesting that paying in dollars has its advantages. I'm not saying they will pay everything in dollars.

AMCXXL wrote:

LMFS wrote:
With those amounts ordered, the Su-27 could be finally removed from service, but I don't know if this is the plan, since they want to reopen air bases.

The soviet Su-27 will be removed form service in next years
Only rest the Belbek regiment to replace in the VKS and probably a couple of squadrons to complete Vladivostok and Khotilivo

This are the Flanker regiments in VKS

East MD:
-Dzemgi: 2 squadrons Su-35
-Ts.Uglovaya: 1 squadron Su-35  (second squadron probably this year. The MiG-31´s seems already start work at Chuguyevka)

West MD:
-Besovets: 2 squadrons Su-35
-Khotilovo: 1 squadron Su-35 (second squadron probably for 2025. Then Su-35 will be relocated to other place of West MD, MiG-31 will stay at Khotilovo)

South MD:
-Belbek: 2 squadrons Su-27P/SM (raised in 2015, to replace with Su-35 probably in 2022-2024)
-Krymsk: 2 squadrons Su-27SM3 (to replace later)

New regiments will be opened , but armed with Su-57 one each East, West and South MD
Is very probably Su-57 will be based first at Dzemgi, then Su-35 will be relocated very probably at Sakhalin
Also Su-57 could be based at Krymsk and Su-27SM3 could be moved to Rostov area or well to North Fleet


After VKS will be Navy the next to replace Flankers:
-Baltic Flleet: Kaliningrad: 2 squadrons Su-27P (raised in 2019 , to replace with Su-35 probably in 2026-2027)
-North Fleet probably receives also Flankers in long term, for the moment uses Su-33 both for air defense and for crew on Kuznestov

SM are newly built or modernized ones?
Given that such version is from 2004 I can't get why a part of them have been put recently in reserve while the apparently older -P are still in service, even in VKS.

marcellogo wrote:


SM are newly built or modernized ones?
Given that such version is from 2004 I can't get why a part of them have been put recently in reserve while the apparently older -P are still in service, even in VKS.

The Su-27SMs were modernized between 2005 and 2009.
Most SU-27SM were Su-27S from the years 88 and 89 and suffered great wear and tear from flying hours.
Su-27P remains in service are mostly of early 90´s and in some case still have quite a few hours of flight ahead

The two squadrons Su-27SM transfered to Besovets and Khotilovo have been replaced with Su-35
Perhaps a few could be handover to the Navy, but generally, when Belbek Su-27SM are replaced by Su-35s, VKS service will be over

In fact, Su-27SM is not need in the RuAF or Navy, since there are several regiments of new Su-30SM , that do the same role but much better
Su-27P has the same performance for air superiority than Su-27SM, that is the main role of Su-27 in the RuAF

AMCXXL wrote:

marcellogo wrote:


SM are newly built or modernized ones?
Given that such version is from 2004 I can't get why a part of them have been put recently in reserve while the apparently older -P are still in service, even in VKS.

The Su-27SMs were modernized between 2005 and 2009.
Most SU-27SM were Su-27S from the years 88 and 89 and suffered great wear and tear from flying hours.
Su-27P remains in service are mostly of early 90´s and in some case still have quite a few hours of flight ahead

The two squadrons Su-27SM transfered to Besovets and Khotilovo have been replaced with Su-35
Perhaps a few could be handover to the Navy, but generally, when Belbek Su-27SM are replaced by Su-35s, VKS service will be over

In fact, Su-27SM is not need in the RuAF or Navy, since there are several regiments of new Su-30SM , that do the same role but much better
Su-27P has the same performance for air superiority than Su-27SM, that is the main role of Su-27 in the RuAF

I though that the -P were os the same standard of the early -S, not -SM, so , sorry to bother you again, when such update has been done?

And in Addition there should be also some newly built su27SM3 (built in Konsomolsk on Amur before they switched on producing su35)

AMCXXL wrote:The soviet Su-27 will be removed form service in next years
Only rest the Belbek regiment to replace in the VKS and probably a couple of squadrons to complete Vladivostok and Khotilivo

Does it make sense to you the 48 Su-35S units that were claimed to be on order? The price seemed low, maybe it is 36 units for three squadrons, two in Belbek and one more for Khotilovo? The pictures that we got to see at the MoD visit to KnAAZ were not very clear to know how many units would be delivered in the coming years. But they already said they were moving towards bigger contracts to improve pricing.

East MD:
-Dzemgi: 2 squadrons Su-35
-Ts.Uglovaya: 1 squadron Su-35  (second squadron probably this year. The MiG-31´s seems already start work at Chuguyevka)

So the Sukhois will remain there as the 22nd IAP and the MiGs will form a new regiment at Chuguyevka?

West MD:
-Besovets: 2 squadrons Su-35
-Khotilovo: 1 squadron Su-35 (second squadron probably for 2025. Then Su-35 will be relocated to other place of West MD, MiG-31 will stay at Khotilovo)

Maybe the 611th IAP at Dorokhovo will be reopen? The Sukhois at Khotilovo came from there right?

New regiments will be opened , but armed with Su-57 one each East, West and South MD
Is very probably Su-57 will be based first at Dzemgi, then Su-35 will be relocated very probably at Sakhalin
Also Su-57 could be based at Krymsk and Su-27SM3 could be moved to Rostov area or well to North Fleet

Any idea where they will be stationed, in the Western MD?

In any case, it does seem that the numbers of fighter squadrons / operational air bases are indeed increasing, beyond the substitution of older airframes, isn't it?

After VKS will be Navy the next to replace Flankers:
-Baltic Flleet: Kaliningrad: 2 squadrons Su-27P (raised in 2019 , to replace with Su-35 probably in 2026-2027)
-North Fleet probably receives also Flankers in long term, for the moment uses Su-33 both for air defense and for crew on Kuznestov

They were expected to create complete air groups for the different fleets, that may cause them to keep buying Flankers for a good while...

marcellogo wrote:

I though that the -P were os the same standard of the early -S, not -SM, so , sorry to bother you again, when such update has been done?

Su-27S is a interceptpr witha little land attack capability
Su-27P was the same stripped of any land attack capability because the FACE treaty, becaue Soviet Union already has a lot of airplanes with lamd attack capability, included MiG-27, Su-17, Su-24...
Su-27SM is modernization , basically increasing land attack capability, being a little "multirole"

For air defense, its basic function, three versions are very similar

Does it make sense to you the 48 Su-35S units that were claimed to be on order? The price seemed low, maybe it is 36 units for three squadrons, two in Belbek  and one more for Khotilovo? The pictures that we got to see at the MoD visit to KnAAZ were not very clear to know how many units would be delivered in the coming years. But they already said they were moving towards bigger contracts to improve pricing.

There are 6 Su-35 remainng of the current contract

Also, in the screen of KnAAZ you can see "new contract" with 3 for 2021 and 3 for 2022.



This could be an intermediate contract, probably signed a year or more ago to complete another squadron, being intermediate between contract for 50 of 2016 and the new one of 70 billion rubles that will be signed before the year ends.
This is nothing new, in the case of Yak-130 , have been received aditional machines this year, before the new contract for 25 , probably under other aditional intermediate contract
In the case of Mi-28N or Mi-35M , also small ammounts of machines habe been delivered under aditional small contracts

About the contract of 70 billion rubles, probably is for not more of 30, for Belbek and other places as Lipetsk , or for complete 23 IAP that send airplanes to Akhtubinsk and Zhukovsky

The second squadorn of Khotilovo will be later, probablly togheter with the order for Kaliningrad

So the Sukhois will remain there as the 22nd IAP and the MiGs will form a new regiment at Chuguyevka?

Yes, in the net was said MiG-31 is already working in Chuguyevka.
Tsentralnaya will be its repair facility and the HQ of a new division

Maybe the 611th IAP at Dorokhovo will be reopen? The Sukhois at Khotilovo came from there right?


Any idea where they will be stationed, in the Western MD?

Maybe or maybe not.
Is very probably the Su-35 will go near the west border, for example to Andreapol , near Latvia and Belarus borders, that is also empty since 2009 (ex-28º IAP)

Dorokhovo airfield , in Bezhetsk, could be the homebase for the Su-57 regiment of West MD.

Also Lodeynoye Pole, (ex-177 IAP) or Siversky (old base of Su-24), both in Leningrad region, could be other possible locations for Su-57 in the West MD

In any case, it does seem that the numbers of fighter squadrons / operational air bases are indeed increasing, beyond the substitution of older airframes, isn't it?

Yes, in my opinion at the end will go 10 to 12 air defence figter regiments (from 7 Su-35 + 3 Su-57, up to 8+4)
This is a similar number that the number of regiments of Su-27 that Russia got from Soviet Union

10 years ago only remain 4 regiments and other 2 squadrons, in total only 14 squadrons of Su-27

They were expected to create complete air groups for the different fleets, that may cause them to keep buying Flankers for a good while...

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Yes, the aviation of the Navy goes for long, it was dismantled more than 10 years ago and creating new regiments from zero takes 7 or 8 years. The Su-35 will continue to be bought until 2030 or something more

The reasonable thing is to first open a regiment with Su-27, like Kaliningrad and after 6 or 7 years, replace them with Su-35.
Is very probable that the North MD receive first Su-27SM now in reserve, or perhaps Su-27SM3, once the VKS regiment have received Su-35

A wonderful sight of Su-35 launch R-37.

That's a good missile even against fighters. Too bad they didn't keep the mig-25. It could have been upgraded with an irbis radar and used to fire this missile at every target it could detect.

The more you fire the more hit you get and the better it is.

Most MiG-25´s would be around 50 years old by now.

Who cares they would be still good for sniper shooting with r-37M.

GarryB wrote:They are also working on a new long range missile called Izd 810 that is supposed to have a flight range of between 1.6 and 9 times better than the R-37M depending on the launch conditions, and it also has a new active/passive radar homing sensor and can hit targets at up to 40km altitude.

It was designed from the outset to be carried internally on the Su-57, and has a two stage rocket motor that can be delayed to extend flight range... like the R-77M.

Where did you hear that?

GarryB wrote:

Su-27S is a interceptpr witha little land attack capability
Su-27P was the same stripped of any land attack capability because the FACE treaty,

S means multirole... like the MiG-29S (MiG-29C), P means interceptor... traditionally the Frontal Aviation units were used as swing fighters... they start with AA weapons and then  as the enemy air power is taken down they start to carry unguided air to ground weapons like dumb bombs and rockets to attack ground targets of opportunity. The aircraft of the PVO were not used against ground targets... their job was air defence and only carried AA weapons so they were designated interceptors... but with basic bombing an rocket carrying capacity... nothing as sophisticated as the Gefest & T upgrades...
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This is not true. Su-27 is a interceptor of Soviet Sily-PVO
The mision of Su-27 and its successors is the air dominance, is for that the high perfomance: speed, power, climb rate, ceiling. etc...
In 1980 , the spureous word "multirole" does no exist, and less in the USSR

Factory Designations
T-10 = prototypes
T-10C (latin:T-10S) = Serial production
T-10У (latin T-10U) = T-10 for instruction (учения=teaching)
T-10M = Modificated project T-10 , tradename : Su-35

Tradenames T-10C (izd.110)
- Су-27 (latin Su-27) received 1985-1989 (about 400)
- Су-27П (latin Su-27P) Su-27 stripped of any minimum attack capacity to bypass the FACE treaty, the
differences are minimal, perhaps one more sensor on the wings, received 1989-1991 (only about 120, by that time most of PVO regiments has Su-27).
In fact several Su-27 were "downgraded" to Su-27P to reduce the number of any ground attack capability according the FACE treaty. However, this stopped happening when it was meaningless when the USSR disappeared
- Су-27CM (latin Su-27SM) modernization of serial Su-27 (both Su-27 and Su-27P that are basically the same thing) including a certain attack capability as in 2000´s Russia has lack of frontal warplanes and lack of funds to buy Su-30´s

Mikoyan-Gurevich has a differemt nomenclature:

Factory designations
9-12
9-12A
9-12B
9-13
has a tradename MiG-29, MiG-29A , MiG-29B
9-51 has tradename MiG-29UB

9-13C (latin 9-13S) is the first "fullback" version with larger fuel tank for increase range, Less than 20 were received by 1992 , just after USSR end. Cannot remember what "S" exactly means here

9-15 = MiG-29M , modificated project , tradename MiG-33
9-17, 9-18 and 9-19 have tradename MiG 29SMT a modernized version of 9-13S

9-31 and 9-41 has tradename MiG-29K
9-47 = MiG-29KUB
etc....

I heard a couple of years ago, that the SU-35 would be -and will be- equipped with radio photonic radar.
Can someone tell me if it is the case nowadays, please? If so, how long?

Thx

nemrod wrote:I heard a couple of years ago, that the SU-35 would be -and will be- equipped with radio photonic radar.
Can someone tell me if it is the case nowadays, please? If so, how long?

Thx

As far as i have heard Photonics is still in the works, there are enhancements for the Mig-29 and Su-30 radars available, can't recall what they were called, but there not Photonic.

As for the Su-35, the Irbis is still incredibly capable, and from what i recall the first aircraft that's going to receive Photonics will be the Su-57.