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    Post  Austin on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:07 am

    Any idea what does this brochure says ?

    http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/161455.html

    Looks like MAWS does it provide 360 degree coverage and what does it use IR or UV channel ?
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:14 am

    Austin wrote:Any idea what does this brochure says ?

    http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/161455.html

    Looks like MAWS does it provide 360 degree coverage and what does it use IR or UV channel ?

    That is infrared spectrum 3-5 mkm for the MAWS 360° coverage with 4x 90° azimuth coverage sensors.

    I think it means also 90° per MAW in elevation coverage which should give it in theory 360 azimuth and 360 elevation coverage.
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    Post  medo on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:54 am

    Austin wrote:Any idea what does this brochure says ?

    http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/161455.html

    Looks like MAWS does it provide 360 degree coverage and what does it use IR or UV channel ?

    Su-35 and MiG-35 have 6 MAWS sensors and they cover whole sphere around the plane.
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    Post  medo on Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:43 am

    http://lenta.ru/news/2016/01/11/su35/

    Минобороны России подписало в декабре 2015 года с компанией «Сухой» пятилетний контракт на поставку 50 новейших истребителей Су-35. Сумма сделки превышает 60 миллиардов рублей, пишут в понедельник, 11 января, «Ведомости» со ссылкой на источники в Объединенной авиастроительной корпорации (ОАК), в которую входит «Сухой».

    Russian MoD signed the second five year contract for 50 Su-35 in December 2015.
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    Post  Austin on Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:54 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Austin wrote:Any idea what does this brochure says ?

    http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/161455.html

    Looks like MAWS does it provide 360 degree coverage and what does it use IR or UV channel ?

    That is infrared spectrum 3-5 mkm for the MAWS 360° coverage with 4x 90° azimuth coverage sensors.

    I think it means also 90° per MAW in elevation coverage which should give it in theory 360 azimuth and 360 elevation coverage.

    Just saw this message , Thank You
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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:06 am

    medo wrote:http://lenta.ru/news/2016/01/11/su35/

    Минобороны России подписало в декабре 2015 года с компанией «Сухой» пятилетний контракт на поставку 50 новейших истребителей Су-35. Сумма сделки превышает 60 миллиардов рублей, пишут в понедельник, 11 января, «Ведомости» со ссылкой на источники в Объединенной авиастроительной корпорации (ОАК), в которую входит «Сухой».

    Russian MoD signed the second five year contract for 50 Su-35 in December 2015.
    50 warplanes caught my by surprise after all the talk of 48 units. Glad to hear that they signed the contract.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:33 am

    medo wrote:http://lenta.ru/news/2016/01/11/su35/

    Минобороны России подписало в декабре 2015 года с компанией «Сухой» пятилетний контракт на поставку 50 новейших истребителей Су-35. Сумма сделки превышает 60 миллиардов рублей, пишут в понедельник, 11 января, «Ведомости» со ссылкой на источники в Объединенной авиастроительной корпорации (ОАК), в которую входит «Сухой».

    Russian MoD signed the second five year contract for 50 Su-35 in December 2015.

    Good, very good.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:34 am

    Also 2x Su-35s from construction plant are ready to go to Primorye (the first to go there)

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2577196&usg=ALkJrhhYYTOsi-fuDmEnwpn5Ed9LkhFg8A
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    Post  mack8 on Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:41 am

    Good news. It seems they expect VKS delivery of 10 a year, slightly less than up to now. Presumably the rest of the producton is earmarked for export.
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:45 am

    Contract signed for delivery of 50 Su-35 fighters to Russian Defense Ministry - newspaper

    From todays interfax military - 50 new ones is in the pipes

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    Post  Manov on Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:19 am

    Excellent News!! Numbers keep going up.

    Guys, do you think Su-35S will be deployed to Syria? Or it would be too exposed to enemy SIGINT?

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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:23 am

    Manov wrote:Excellent News!! Numbers keep going up.

    Guys, do you think Su-35S will be deployed to Syria? Or it would be too exposed to enemy SIGINT?


    Well nothing much for SU35S to do in Syria, as i doubt there will be any type of air to air engagements which its mainly made for. SU30s can do bomber escorts just fine as they did till today. They tho might send some to test their in field repair cycles and availability rates for an example but not because they are really needed. SIGINT wouldnt matter much as they would anyways fly in training radar modes or similar.
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    Post  Berkut on Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:36 am

    Manov wrote:Excellent News!! Numbers keep going up.

    Guys, do you think Su-35S will be deployed to Syria? Or it would be too exposed to enemy SIGINT?


    Dude, they barely were able to power through the mountains of bugs Su-35S' had (both engineering and production) and had to make all 48 of them before any Su-35S were actually able to do combat service/QRA like a few weeks ago. And mind you, this is still something that only the latest few Su-35S' are actually able to do. Heck, even those frames had to go back to KnaaZ literally on the other side of runway to get modified to be able to carry out combat missions. Look at the flight hours of the fleet;

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/6307-su-35-istoriya-serii-8/#post127612

    01205 - 01310 were of 2012 production and handed over "in service" 3 years ago... And has promptly flown 60 hours on average in 3 years because they have had several rounds of upgrading at KnAAZ. So they were made, delivered, promptly sent back to KnAAZ and modified, then modified again and will need even more rounds of modification before they start flying in any real capacity, yet alone combat service/QRA.

    It has been an absolute clusterfuck, what kind of talk could there be to send Su-35S to Syria?
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    Post  Manov on Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:09 pm

    lol, ok sorry, i didnt know the kind of issues the 35 had. It was just a question, minding all the advanced fighters in the region that can threat the ru base there.
    flanker got some 35illness it seems
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    Post  Berkut on Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:26 pm

    Sorry if i was terse, it is just that people seem to have a rosy picture of aviation in general, there are always many underlining engineering issues that needs to be solved with any reasonably new type. And Su-35S in particular is way too "raw" at the moment to be a "spearhead" in abroad missions.
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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:53 pm

    Berkut wrote:Sorry if i was terse, it is just that people seem to have a rosy picture of aviation in general, there are always many underlining engineering issues that needs to be solved with any reasonably new type. And Su-35S in particular is way too "raw" at the moment to be a "spearhead" in abroad missions.
    I'm curious to hear in what areas is the Su-35S still too raw in with it being finally put into combat service? Is the problem in the number of combat ready Su-35S fighters available then?

    It shouldn't be that much of a problem for the operational Su-35S to do an easy task like escort the VKS bombers from Russia. I see that it doesn't make sense to deploy the Su-35S over the Su-30SM when the Su-30SM almost measures up in air superiority aspects but provides more flexibility if stationed in Syria. But the USAF sent a few F-22s to hit ground targets in Syria (USAF returned them quickly after Russia entered the fray) even though the F-22 wasn't even meant for that role when it was envisioned for the ATF competition. Eventually, it may be better for the Su-35S and their pilots to get some combat experience just like the F-22, especially when countries will exhaust all available diplomatic options before entering a war where air superiority is needed to be established.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:12 pm

    Ηere is also the article of bmpd.livejournal for the new contract of 48-50 Su-35s. http://bmpd.livejournal.com
    It also says:

    1. 2 first Su-35s for contract of 24 with China will be delivered at the end of this year
    2. There are negotiations, not contract yet for the supply of 12x Su-35s to Indonesia
    3. The first contract for the supply of 48 vehicles of this type was signed in 2009 and fully implemented in 2015.

    franco can we confirm the last one?
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:25 pm

    Manov wrote:lol, ok sorry, i didnt know the kind of issues the 35 had. It was just a question, minding all the advanced fighters in the region that can threat the ru base there.
    flanker got some 35illness it seems
    Must be the number 35 is the problem. Think Su-35 and F-35, both suffering from problems with too many made before sorting the design out.

    The Russians at least seem to have learnt the lesson with the limited number of T-50 made before full production is committed.
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    Post  franco on Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:31 pm

    George1 wrote:Ηere is also the article of bmpd.livejournal for the new contract of 48-50 Su-35s. http://bmpd.livejournal.com
    It also says:

    1. 2 first Su-35s for contract of 24 with China will be delivered at the end of this year
    2. There are negotiations, not contract yet for the supply of 12x Su-35s to Indonesia
    3. The first contract for the supply of 48 vehicles of this type was signed in 2009 and fully implemented in 2015.

    franco can we confirm the last one?

    No we can't, but I suspect they were completed. I also suspect that those completed last have been exchanged with those completed prior at Lipetsk and Akhtubinsk for the first units to be brought back and up to standard. And when that is done, there will be enough (12) to fit a squadron out. Millerovo was due next. Also a question why the last 10 Su-30SM's weren't released. Maybe Millerovo is not ready or crews not all trained.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:18 pm


    If they are ordering 50 more now, does that mean that they sorted out the problems or are they still learning on the job?
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    Post  franco on Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:19 pm

    And what do I know.....

    Two Su-35s in the coming days entered service in the Primorsky Territory Regiment, reported January 11 the chief of the press service of the Eastern Military District, Colonel Alexander Gordeyev. "The pilots were retrained for new combat aircraft based on the aircraft of the district in the Khabarovsk region. Today, engineers and technicians is preparing new aircrafts for flights to Primorsky Krai from Komsomolsk-on-Amur," - he said. According to Gordeyev, after the signing of the necessary documents and performance validation flights, which are scheduled for this week, both fighters will fly in Primorye. Su-35S - Single fighter generation "4 ++", equipped with an onboard radar with a phased antenna array, as well as engines with thrust vector control. Advanced Glider with reinforced structure provides the fighter resource in 30 years. It is expected that the aircraft will replace the Su-27. In late December last year, it was reported that the latest Su-35s for the first time step up combat duty on air defense located in the Khabarovsk Territory.


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    Post  franco on Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:21 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    If they are ordering 50 more now, does that mean that they sorted out the problems or are they still learning on the job?

    They certified them for operational duty at the end of November so suspect most or the major bugs have been ironed out.
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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:47 pm

    franco wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    If they are ordering 50 more now, does that mean that they sorted out the problems or are they still learning on the job?

    They certified them for operational duty at the end of November so suspect most or the major bugs have been ironed out.

    Took alot more time than i expected tbh. I was hoping that official acceptance to service would be somewhere in early 2015.
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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:00 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Berkut wrote:Sorry if i was terse, it is just that people seem to have a rosy picture of aviation in general, there are always many underlining engineering issues that needs to be solved with any reasonably new type. And Su-35S in particular is way too "raw" at the moment to be a "spearhead" in abroad missions.
    I'm curious to hear in what areas is the Su-35S still too raw in with it being finally put into combat service? Is the problem in the number of combat ready Su-35S fighters available then?

    It shouldn't be that much of a problem for the operational Su-35S to do an easy task like escort the VKS bombers from Russia. I see that it doesn't make sense to deploy the Su-35S over the Su-30SM when the Su-30SM almost measures up in air superiority aspects but provides more flexibility if stationed in Syria. But the USAF sent a few F-22s to hit ground targets in Syria (USAF returned them quickly after Russia entered the fray) even though the F-22 wasn't even meant for that role when it was envisioned for the ATF competition. Eventually, it may be better for the Su-35S and their pilots to get some combat experience just like the F-22, especially when countries will exhaust all available diplomatic options before entering a war where air superiority is needed to be established.

    From what i managed to pick from some reports they had issues with what we like here to call "data fusion" and weapon integration. First one i understand, Russians are still catching up in that field. When its about pure mechanical issues that forced them to be sent back to Knaapo i am not really sure.
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    Post  franco on Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:20 am

    First Su-35S's arrive in Primorsky.
    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160115/1033168114/su-35-fighter-jet.html

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