Kalibr missile system

Hole wrote:
Inclined launcher for Kaliber and Co.

So that's why they are making more Steregushchiys instead of Gremyashchiys.

Each launcher seems to be two missiles by two missiles... but I wonder if they could be stacked... ie two four missile launchers mounted side by side would be 8 missiles, but could they stack another set of launchers on top so they are 4 missile wide and also 4 missiles high... making each position 16 missiles for a big ship like a Slava class.

The Slava class could have two missiles in each angled launch position so it could carry 8 x 2 = 16 ready to launch missiles, but these quad launch tubes mounted two for each of the 8 launch positions would mean 32 missiles, but if they could stack three wide and/or two high, you would have 12 or 24 missiles for each of the 8 launch positions... that would be 96 or 192 missiles ready to fire which is a much more useful load...

Of course this is just a stopgap ship till bigger ships are produced so you probably don't need too many missiles... some sort of support ship with a few deck cranes that can load the tubes at sea would be a good force multiplier though.

Technically it is possible but IMO if they use it on Slava it will be this 2x2 missile launcher instead if 1 p-500. So 4x16 it will be 64 missiles which is more than enough for a Slava.

Well it would be wonderful to see the Atlants make a comeback, with theses they would be truly terrifying.

These launchers are great for smaller ships. And for subs.

LMFS wrote:Analysed by Shishkin here:

https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/250207.html

So what is his opinion?

AlfaT8 wrote:

Hole wrote:https://i.servimg.com/u/f10/19/89/13/22/calibe10.jpg
Inclined launcher for Kaliber and Co.

So that's why they are making more Steregushchiys instead of Gremyashchiys.

Hopefully

GarryB wrote:The Slava class could have two missiles in each angled launch position so it could carry 8 x 2 = 16 ready to launch missiles, but these quad launch tubes mounted two for each of the 8 launch positions would mean 32 missiles, but if they could stack three wide and/or two high, you would have 12 or 24 missiles for each of the 8 launch positions... that would be 96 or 192 missiles ready to fire which is a much more useful load...

Nice, but take a care about vessel stability.  A P-500/1000 is approx 4.8 T, while an Oniks is 3.0 T and a Kalibre can be up to 2.3 T depending on variant (quoting wiki).  Assuming launcher tube mass is proportional to that of its missile (?) I don't think you will be able to pile 6x new missiles for each pair of old Bazalts/Vulcans without compromising her sea keeping.

With the talk about upgraded Oniks (faster, longer ranged) courtesy of new technology fuels, maybe a re-tooling of the Slavas to carry Oniks tubes would be a better upgrade path?  Bazalt/Vulcan is an older aerodynamic design going all the way back to the old P-3 Shaddock (IOC in 1959) and its potential for upgrade must be just about exhausted by now?  Modernised Oniks with a big performance boost might be a relatively low cost upgrade if the RuN intends to keep her 1164s in service for another decade or so?

Here's a question from left field... how do we know the modernised Marshall Ustinov is still carrying Vulcans?  Have post-refit firing tests been observed? I would have thought it would be relatively straightforward to fit out the P-1000 tubes with liners to carry modernised Oniks. No evidence of course, pure conjecture, but such a conversion could be done with little more than mechanical installation of the liner canister, replacement of the firing console & electronics plus probably new cabling (not sure about systems integration of course, making new electronics function with the old).  I'd trade Vulcans (no longer manufactured?) for enhanced Oniks any day of the week.

Inclined launcher for Kaliber and Co.

Is that a new build launcher or is it just from back when they were experimenting with angled launchers?

Seems old.

Hole wrote:Seems old.

Hmm, yes and no
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2018/may-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6206-india-s-larsen-toubro-develops-inclined-launcher-for-brahmos-missile.html
https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-lt-defence-produces-prototype-design-of-quad-launcher-for-brahmos-missiles-2612241
Makes more sense as an Indian project since Brahmos already uses inclined launchers

Replace the supporting framework with jacks and pop it in a shipping container. Sound familiar?

It seems Kalibr missile sytem although a relative new one but it shows to be very reliable as an offensive weapon. Until now there is not even a failure reported/leaked during Russia special operation in Ukraine. Tomahawk looks like a kid in comparison with Kalibr result.

January 9, 5:23 p.m.
updated on January 9, 5:46 p.m

The developer of Кalibr missiles Pavel Kamnev died



He was 85 years old

MOSCOW, 9 January. /TASS/. The developer of Kalibr missiles, the scientific director of the Almaz-Antey Aerospace Defense Concern (VKO), Pavel Kamnev, died at the age of 86, the press service of the concern reported on Monday.

"On January 9, 2023, at the age of 86, the scientific director of JSC Concern VKO Almaz-Antey, Hero of Labor of the Russian Federation Pavel Ivanovich Kamnev died," the press service said.

Kamnev was born in 1937 in Makhachkala. After graduating from the Moscow Aviation Institute, he worked his way from an engineer to the first deputy chief designer at the Sverdlovsk Machine-Building Plant named after M.I. Kalinin. By decree of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin dated April 21, 2016, Pavel Kamnev was awarded the title of Hero of Labor of the Russian Federation.

It is noted that in April 2017, Pavel Kamnev was appointed to the position of scientific director of the concern and headed the board of directors of OKB Novator JSC. Kamnev is the author of more than 20 inventions, co-author of more than 300 scientific and technical reports, Doctor of Technical Sciences, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Rocket and Artillery Sciences.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16762339