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    Shenyang J-31 Stealth Fighter

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun 31 Oct 2021, 13:44

    nomadski wrote:Are the Aircraft carriers Stealth ? Then the Aircraft are not . If China can neutralize Carrier at sea , then America can do it too . But like having skyscrapers , they are the must have things or status symbols  . Useful perhaps for pushing around poor and weak nations . Otherwise against an opponent with parity , then they are a waste of money . Who are the Chinese building these to be used against  ?



    It really is a dick measuring contest.

    As you say, these would be sunk far before the jets onboard can do anything about. As you also said, its to power project against poor countries. But against Taiwan? Taiwan would sink these rather quickly.

    It boils all down to saying "we got em too! and ours are bigger" or whatever.

    I guess it could be a way for China to host temporary bases on costs of poor african nations.

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    Post  Arrow Sun 31 Oct 2021, 13:50

    then America can do it too wrote:

    Interestingly, the US would have a problem with sinking enemy aircraft carriers. Their anti-ship missiles are just Harpoon.

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    Post  walle83 Sun 31 Oct 2021, 14:34

    miketheterrible wrote:
    nomadski wrote:Are the Aircraft carriers Stealth ? Then the Aircraft are not . If China can neutralize Carrier at sea , then America can do it too . But like having skyscrapers , they are the must have things or status symbols  . Useful perhaps for pushing around poor and weak nations . Otherwise against an opponent with parity , then they are a waste of money . Who are the Chinese building these to be used against  ?



    It really is a dick measuring contest.

    As you say, these would be sunk far before the jets onboard can do anything about.  As you also said, its to power project against poor countries.  But against Taiwan? Taiwan would sink these rather quickly.

    It boils all down to saying "we got em too! and ours are bigger" or whatever.

    I guess it could be a way for China to host temporary bases on costs of poor african nations.

    How would Taiwan sink a carrier surronded by a large numbers of escorts? Its not like they have any Zircon missiles.
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    Post  Isos Sun 31 Oct 2021, 14:56

    Actually with all the cruise and ballistic missiles fired at them, taiwanese would loose all their conventional gorces in few hours and would do a guerilla type of war.

    Taiwan it's only a few ships and 250 older jets like f-16, Mirage 2000 and fc-1 which is a hybrid between f-16 and f-18.

    Their ships are former US ships from the 70s-80s. They even still operate 2 WW2 submarines...

    Chinese air force would hunt their ships pretty easily and keep their planes out of fight. No smart man would fly a mirage toward su-35 and j-20.
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    Post  lyle6 Sun 31 Oct 2021, 15:49

    The issue is China has to take Taiwan without severely damaging TSMC. No TSMC, and you basically end up with just reddit island. Rather not.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun 31 Oct 2021, 15:57

    walle83 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    nomadski wrote:Are the Aircraft carriers Stealth ? Then the Aircraft are not . If China can neutralize Carrier at sea , then America can do it too . But like having skyscrapers , they are the must have things or status symbols  . Useful perhaps for pushing around poor and weak nations . Otherwise against an opponent with parity , then they are a waste of money . Who are the Chinese building these to be used against  ?



    It really is a dick measuring contest.

    As you say, these would be sunk far before the jets onboard can do anything about.  As you also said, its to power project against poor countries.  But against Taiwan? Taiwan would sink these rather quickly.

    It boils all down to saying "we got em too! and ours are bigger" or whatever.

    I guess it could be a way for China to host temporary bases on costs of poor african nations.

    How would Taiwan sink a carrier surronded by a large numbers of escorts? Its not like they have any Zircon missiles.

    In this regard, they don't need zircon. Supersonic missiles and a dozen of them and that's it.

    This isn't fricking Bollywood, Chinawood or Hollywood. No such thing as 100% defense and big targets become easy targets.

    Not like China wouldn't launch enough to decimate the island. But as Lyle said, TSMC is really only value to the island, besides maybe an additional unsinkable carrier. Oh, and to push US further back

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    Post  kvs Sun 31 Oct 2021, 17:56

    lyle6 wrote:The issue is China has to take Taiwan without severely damaging TSMC. No TSMC, and you basically end up with just reddit island. Rather not.

    This is something scumbag yanquis need to take into account. They will lose more than China from any nullification of TSMC.

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    Post  George1 Sun 31 Oct 2021, 20:15

    In total, two somewhat different flight prototypes FC-31 have been built to date, the first of which (tail number "31001"in Shenyang on October 31, 2012, and the second (tail number "31003") - December 23, 2016. Both samples are still being tested, including at the Chinese State Flight Test Institute in Yanliang (Shaanxi). To date, the aircraft has not entered serial production and has not been accepted into service with the PLA. At the same time, already in 2014, publications appeared in the Chinese media about the possibility of creating a deck version of the FC-31.

    Both FC-31 flight prototypes were equipped with Russian RD-93 engines (modification of the RD-33 engine). The type of engines now installed on the first prototype carrier-based fighter is not yet clear. The deck version of the FC-31 aircraft, as you can understand, is designed for catapular launch to be based on promising Chinese aircraft carriers. On the deck prototype that flew on October 29, the wing folding mechanism and the presence of the catapult attachment to the shuttle are noticeable on the nose landing gear. Unlike the two flight prototypes FC-31, this prototype is also equipped with an electro-optical station under the nose, similar to the EOTS station of the Lockheed Martin F-35 aircraft.

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    Post  walle83 Sun 31 Oct 2021, 23:05

    miketheterrible wrote:

    In this regard, they don't need zircon. Supersonic missiles and a dozen of them and that's it.

    This isn't fricking Bollywood, Chinawood or Hollywood. No such thing as 100% defense and big targets become easy targets.

    Not like China wouldn't launch enough to decimate the island. But as Lyle said, TSMC is really only value to the island, besides maybe an additional unsinkable carrier.  Oh, and to push US further back

    Unlikely that a dozen missiles would do the job. A modern Aegis-type system should be able to handle that. Having 2-3 055s and a few 052D those missiles will have a hard time reaching the carrier.

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