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    Post  JohninMK on Fri May 22, 2020 8:18 pm

    Delivering oil products rather than crude.

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    Using #ISI unique tracking algorithms, two #Iranian tankers detected at the #AtlanticOcean with #ErosB satellite, North-East to #Venezuela. The #tankers (five in total) are on their way from #Iran to Venezuela, delivering #oil in contrast to the #USA #sanctions.




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    Post  George1 on Sat May 23, 2020 11:58 pm

    First Iranian tanker to reach Venezuela in next 24 hours: report
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    BEIRUT, LEBANON (5:30 P.M.) – Iranian state television reported on Saturday that five tankers are heading to Venezuela, loaded with 1.053 thousand barrels of fuel.

    They pointed out that the first tanker is scheduled to arrive in Venezuela on Sunday, while the remaining four are still sailing in the Atlantic Ocean.

    The fuel tankers, which have been identified as the Petunia, Faxon, Fortune, Forest, and Clavel, all entered the Atlantic Ocean’s waters earlier this week after crossing the Strait of Gibraltar.

    According to data from maritime tracking services, the Fortune was last monitored in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Morocco on May 16th, and it is expected to reach its destination tomorrow.

    The Petrunia, Faxon, and Clavel were also last detected in the same area on May 18 and May 19 and today May 23 respectively, and are expected to reach their destination on May 25, May 29 and June 2.

    As for Forest, it is expected to reach its destination on May 25.

    The ship tracking sites did not specify the destination of these carriers, but Iran made it known that these vessels were heading to the South American nation.

    This issue raised international interest, especially in light of the incident of the British detention of an Iranian tanker at the Strait of Gibraltar last year.

    The government of Venezuela has pledged to provide Iranian tankers with the required protection in its territorial waters, in anticipation of possible steps by the United States that imposed severe sanctions on both Tehran and Caracas.
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/first-iranian-tanker-to-reach-venezuela-in-next-24-hours-report/
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun May 24, 2020 2:21 pm

    First one there

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 26, 2020 1:10 am

    Number two in the convoy, MV Forest, is in Venezuelan waters whilst Number one, MV Fortune, is now alongside. Looks like one arriving each morning.

    The significance is huge for Venezuela, the five Iranian tankers have a capacity of approximately 800,000 barrels i.e, they carry 127 million liters of gasoline.

    Further, a cargo ship brings 800,000 liters of chemical catalysts for distilling gasoline, which would allow Venezuelan refineries to produce such fuel for years. The arrival of this cargo ship would help break the energy blockade enforced by the United States.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 26, 2020 2:33 am

    JohninMK wrote:.......
    Further, a cargo ship brings 800,000 liters of chemical catalysts for distilling gasoline, which would allow Venezuelan refineries to produce such fuel for years. The arrival of this cargo ship would help break the energy blockade enforced by the United States.

    This would be the most important of the bunch
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 26, 2020 12:46 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:.......
    Further, a cargo ship brings 800,000 liters of chemical catalysts for distilling gasoline, which would allow Venezuelan refineries to produce such fuel for years. The arrival of this cargo ship would help break the energy blockade enforced by the United States.

    This would be the most important of the bunch

    Indeed. Apparently all the petrol will only last them a couple of months. There is an unidentified ship, described as a tanker, that seems to be ahead of MV Petunia, both of which are now in Venezuelan waters. maybe this is it. Definitely the one to protect and move without fuss. Only two tankers in the Atlantic now.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed May 27, 2020 9:57 pm

    The Chinese connection: https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/smooth-sailing-for-iranian-tankers-with-chinas-backing/?mc_cid=ea178eb089&mc_eid=5455568640

    IMO there r other reasons they were allowed to proceed. Trump is under seige at home for his handling of the pandemic & a major escalation around Venezuela involving the USN is the last thing he needs.
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    Post  George1 on Thu May 28, 2020 12:06 am

    'Forest', the second oil tanker from Iran arrived in Venezuela's largest refinery, the Paraguana refinery complex, in Falcon state. The tanker, Forest, was welcomed by authorities and staff of Punta Cardon port, who were seen waving Iranian and Venezuelan flags.

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri May 29, 2020 4:48 pm

    Four tankers there, one to go.

    It was going too smoothly, this from Sputnik this morning

    The United States has forced two ships carrying Iranian energy supplies to Venezuela to cancel their deliveries under the threat of sanctions, The Wall Street Journal and Fox News report.

    It is understood that the two vessels were the Bering and the Bella. Both are registered in Liberia and owned by Greek shippers. They were supposed to arrive in Venezuela after a five-tanker flotilla that was scrambled to supply fuel, additives and spare parts for Venezuelan refineries. The first four Iranian tankers from that flotilla have already safely docked in Venezuela, and the fifth is still en route.

    As first reported by The WSJ, the Bering and the Bella were forced to turn back after US officials contacted the Liberian government and threatened with sanctions should they proceed with the delivery. They also have been in direct communication with the ships and threatened their Greek owners with sanctions and legal action, according to the report.

    Liberia is said to have immediately revoked the ships' accreditation; otherwise, they would lose access to international banking and maritime insurance. The ships were reportedly heading south off the coast of Senegal near Liberia on Thursday.

    The Trump administration confirmed the move to Fox News. "We will continue to use the full weight of United States' economic and diplomatic power to press for the restoration of Venezuelan democracy," a State Department spokesperson told the network.

    "We will continue to use the full weight of United States' economic and diplomatic power to press for the restoration of Venezuelan democrac."

    There has been no comment from Iran or Venezuela so far.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat May 30, 2020 5:46 am

    https://news.antiwar.com/2020/05/28/us-to-send-trainers-to-colombia-for-cocaine-operations/

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/failed-maduro-coup-leader-flew-041747079.html

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-armys-new-adviser-unit-is-supposed-to-help-fight-drug-cartels-in-colombia-but-some-think-theyre-being-deployed-to-send-a-message-to-neighboring-venezuela/ar-BB14LAqQ


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:01 am

    As 1 Jewish saying goes, "a home town thief is better than a strange rabbi".

    https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-mutation-explained.html


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    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:16 am

    Venezuelan opposition refuses to take part in December parliamentary elections


    The document was signed by 27 parties, including parliamentary ones - Popular Will, Democratic Action and Justice First

    MEXICO CITY, August 3. /TASS/. Venezuela’s main opposition parties said in a joint statement published on Sunday night they refused to take part in the upcoming parliamentary elections, scheduled for early December.

    "Having exhausted all effort both inside the country and beyond its borders to achieve a competitive election that would ensure the people’s sovereign will is respected, we, the democratic political organizations of Venezuela, inform the country’s people and the international community that we unanimously decided not to take part in the electoral fraud, organized by the Maduro regime," the statement reads.

    The document was signed by 27 parties, including parliamentary ones - Popular Will, Democratic Action and Justice First.

    In line with the National Electoral Council’s decision, parliamentary elections in Venezuela will be held on December 6. Registration will continue between August 10 and 19. The campaigning period will last between November 21 and December 5.

    Opposition forces won the December 2015 parliamentary elections in Venezuela, but later the parliament was de-facto excluded from the decision-making process. The Constitutional Assembly, established in summer 2017 on the initiative of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, assumed its functions. No political rivals of the current government are represented in the assembly.

    The situation in Venezuela escalated after on January 23, 2019, Juan Guaido, Venezuelan opposition leader, whose appointment to the position of parliamentary speaker had been cancelled by the country’s Supreme Court two days before, declared himself acting president at a rally in the country’s capital of Caracas. The US recognized him as acting president, as did Lima Group members (except for Mexico), the Organization of American States and most EU countries. Incumbent Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, in turn, blasted the move as a coup staged by Washington and said he was severing diplomatic ties with the US. Russia, Belarus, Bolivia, Iran, Cuba, China, Nicaragua, Syria and Turkey voiced support for Maduro.

    https://tass.com/world/1185049
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    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:32 pm

    The above is an example of why "democracy" is a sham. All these parties are corrupt and beholden to special interests aligned with
    the perceived Mecca of capital known as the USA. They serve Uncle Scumbag first and could give a flying f*ck about the Venezuelan
    people. Having many parties is not some assurance of real plurality and freedom. Any number of parties could be all marionettes
    by one foreign meddler. In fact, parties could be created to enable such control. So one party that is not submitting is flooded
    by parties that are tools for control. The average sap thinks that truth comes from different sources repeating the same thing.
    That is deadly wrong since sock puppetry can never be excluded.

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    Post  nomadski on Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:31 pm


    Agree that the nature of most or some humans, tends towards the dark side. You build them something good. And they use it for evil. But Ahmed fire said, that an ideology or political system, is but a tool. It can be used for good or evil. Like a knife. You can use it to prepare a meal or to stab someone. But I said that a tool or political system or ideology can not be really good, if it can be misused. I used the example of a knife, with blunt nose. Given out to households, in England, where domestic abuse could lead to a stabbing.

    Some ideologies are imprecise or old or too complicated for average person to truly understand. They are the wrong tool. Some political systems are prone to corruption and abuse. They are the wrong tool.

    So if we had the perfect ideology and system, will we succeed? Well we will have a better chance, and we must try. Even if we know, that human nature or society is deeply flawed. And it may never recover from it's many ills. Not in time anyway, to stop utter disaster.

    A more corrupt proof political system, for example, is one, where there are no politicians. Or political parties. People simply vote online. On the Internet. There is no parliament. Yet another system, is proportional representation. According to economic class. And again no professional politicians. Number of seats, determined by number of citizens by profession.


    The greater the number of people in a direct democracy. Making it impossible to bribe or coerce large number of citizen politicians. With no restrictions on ideology or religion. The majority always wins power. And learns by it's mistakes.


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    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:01 am

    The main failure of human evolution is the dominance of herding behaviour. Our vaunted brains are not used much by the vast
    majority. People consume MSM lies without even half an effort to think for themselves. And this groupthink manifests in populations
    of hundreds of millions. In fact, it looks like the larger the population, the more coherent in its herding it becomes. This must
    be related to social pressure on dissidents and "heretics" who do not conform.

    Direct democracy requires individual intellectual effort. That is not happening. Humans get the system they "deserve" since they
    do not push enough.

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:17 am

    If i recall, Democracy was always a "Two Wolves decide to eat the Sheep" business.
    The founding fathers were really against it.

    It's a system that sows division in a Country, and cripples said nation.
    This is why the U.S promotes it.

    Sadly for them, it looks like they have drunken their own Kool-Aid, as we see now what happens as the U.S is transitioning from a psuedo-Republic into a Democracy.
    The collective will always be stronger than the individual.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:52 am

    The opposition refuse to take part in the election because they know they will lose, this is just a desperate effort to completely undermine real democracy and try to get a foreign supported coup started... the opposite of democracy.

    Regarding the moralisation about knives.... as already said... it can be an essenetial tool or a deadly weapon... it depends on who is holding it. Blunting its tip makes it useless as a tool but you can still always find a way to use it as a weapon...

    Political systems and even religions are the same... they can be tools and also weapons and often they are both.

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:06 pm

    George1 wrote:

    Venezuelan opposition refuses to take part in December parliamentary elections


    Good. Fuck 'em... Twisted Evil
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    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:The opposition refuse to take part in the election because they know they will lose, this is just a desperate effort to completely undermine real democracy and try to get a foreign supported coup started... the opposite of democracy.

    Regarding the moralisation about knives.... as already said... it can be an essenetial tool or a deadly weapon... it depends on who is holding it. Blunting its tip makes it useless as a tool but you can still always find a way to use it as a weapon...

    Political systems and even religions are the same... they can be tools and also weapons and often they are both.

    These opposition parties are engaged in full blown treason by throwing such a tantrum. Either participate in actual democracy (*) of one
    voter and one vote and take your chances or bugger on off. Acting this way to sabotage an election and claim that the government
    people actually voted for is not legitimate is grotesque. The ones who are not legitimate are these parties and any rent-a-crowd that
    circumvents one voter, one vote. They self-appoint themselves are the "true" representatives but they only represent themselves and
    their foreign meddler patron.

    (*) By democracy I mean some approximation. The voters have to have understanding of the situation, but most don't. In
    Venezuela where the MSM is not goosestepping to the yanqui music there is a chance voters can make at least partially informed
    decisions.

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:05 pm

    Piracy is alive and well. These are petrol tankers.

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    BREAKING: The #US has seized 4 #Iran|ian oil tankers carrying oil to #Venezuela.

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    The tankers Luna, Pandi, Bering and Bella were seized without military force.
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    The tankers are en route to Houston.


    Or maybe not. They seem to have AIS turned off, no record for 95 days.

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    Venezuela: The Iranian ambassador to Venezuela denies the "Wall Street Journal" news about the detention of Iranian oil tankers bound for Caracas
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:24 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Piracy is alive and well. These are petrol tankers.

    EHA News
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    BREAKING: The #US has seized 4 #Iran|ian oil tankers carrying oil to #Venezuela.

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    The tankers Luna, Pandi, Bering and Bella were seized without military force.
    Black small square
    The tankers are en route to Houston.


    Or maybe not. They seem to have AIS turned off, no record for 95 days.

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    Venezuela: The Iranian ambassador to Venezuela denies the "Wall Street Journal" news about the detention of Iranian oil tankers bound for Caracas

    The US is showing its British roots. They pulled the same thing near China. Russia and China should call
    a UN Security Council meeting to censure this nonsense. There is no way that the yanquis can come out
    smelling like roses.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:20 am

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-seizes-iranian-gas-from-4-tankers-headed-to-venezuela-11597371487
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:33 am

    So did it happen or not? If Iran is denying it, then US is lying.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:25 pm

    It seems to have happened.

    Iran is now saying that the fuel was sold FOB the Gulf and loaded onto not their ships and not their flag. What happened to them was their customers responsibility.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:29 pm

    Here they come again. This time, as the first, these are proper Iranian owned and operated tankers.

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    At least three tankers-Forest,Fortune,Faxon-left Iran with fuel for Venezuela.All three tankers fly the Iranian flag and belong to the National Tanker Company and have already participated in the delivery of the first consignment of Iranian fuel to Venezuela in May-June this year

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