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    Venezuela crisis

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    Post  Aristide Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:30 pm

    nomadski wrote:Ecosystem . Ships . Forest . Bread . The forests are precious  . But they can be replanted . Once the emergency is over . Economy diversified . New partners  in trade . Iran did  send ships  before to Atlantic .  Soon  subs .  Many countries manage and harvest wood . No problem about that . No news.  You are happy that Iranians may not have bread ?  They have bread . But even if hungry , they will never resort to eating frogs ! Or snails or rats ..


    No they cant be replanted. Replanted forests never reach the diversity of primary forest. Once gone, its gone.

    The forests would be perfect reason to intervene and replace maduro with force.

    And no, Iranians dont have breads. More and more riots break out. Its amusing to watch.

    Snails and frogs they cabt afford. Rats would be a form of cannibalism for them.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:16 am

    It's OK to clear Amazonian forest for cattle ranches in Brazil but care for a similar forest in Venezuela?
    Replanted hardwoods take a long time to mature. IMO, those hardwoods won't be competitive with SE Asian- too bulky to ship those logs across the ocean. Also cutting them will lead to soil erosion, flash floods, & crop failures. They'll be better off building canning factories for their tropical fruits & ship those to Russia & others willing to buy them.
    Iran is bankrupt since even china cut down oil imports by 90%..
    Add India that still buys it & u'll wait a long time before they declare bankruptcy & capitulate.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-sanctions-india-exclusive/exclusive-india-wants-to-keep-iran-oil-purchases-at-300000-barrels-per-day-in-extended-waiver-sources-idUSKCN1QO0TA
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-oil-exports/despite-sanctions-irans-oil-exports-rise-in-early-2019-sources-idUSKCN1Q818X
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-potential-beneficiary-of-u-s-sanctions-on-venezuela-iran-11549987277
    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/iran-has-found-new-potential-oil-buyers-despite-u-s-sanctions-official-says-1.6808882
    Regime Change in Iran is Dangerous for America
    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/regime-change-iran-dangerous-america-46357
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    Post  Aristide Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:57 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:It's OK to clear Amazonian forest for cattle ranches in Brazil but care for a similar forest in Venezuela?
    Replanted hardwoods take a long time to mature. IMO, those hardwoods won't be competitive with SE Asian- too bulky to ship those logs across the ocean. Also cutting them will lead to soil erosion, flash floods, & crop failures. They'll be better off building canning factories for their tropical fruits & ship those to Russia & others willing to buy them.
    Iran is bankrupt since even china cut down oil imports by 90%..
    Add India that still buys it & u'll wait a long time before they declare bankruptcy & capitulate.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-sanctions-india-exclusive/exclusive-india-wants-to-keep-iran-oil-purchases-at-300000-barrels-per-day-in-extended-waiver-sources-idUSKCN1QO0TA
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-oil-exports/despite-sanctions-irans-oil-exports-rise-in-early-2019-sources-idUSKCN1Q818X
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-potential-beneficiary-of-u-s-sanctions-on-venezuela-iran-11549987277
    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/iran-has-found-new-potential-oil-buyers-despite-u-s-sanctions-official-says-1.6808882
    Regime Change in Iran is Dangerous for America
    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/regime-change-iran-dangerous-america-46357

    Thes forest in Venezuela is not similar to brazil. Totally different ecosystem.

    That said, bad news for you

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-us-sanctions-latest-rial-currency-protests-medicine-rouhani-khameini-a8505166.html

    Iran is in extreme economic collapse right now. Its oil tankers used as storage for their oil they cant sell.


    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1459651/business-economy

    Im really happy about that situation. They showed mothers demonstrating because their childs starve without bread.

    I think thats funny, i mean if they dont have bread, they should eat cake. Very Happy
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:38 am

    Not that different, S & E. has big pockets of it:
    Venezuela crisis - Page 20 Big_thumb

    The rest r mountains, hills, swampy valleys with less vegetation & bush. FYI, cakes r made with the same flour as bread.
    Be careful what u wish for! Ur joy may be short lived:
    Historical records show that when the central government weakens in Iran, then the periphery of the country tries to gain more autonomy and sometimes seeks independence, creating more bloodshed and destabilization in the country. ..
    The second reason is that if Iran gets destabilized and slides into a civil war, then a many Iranians will try to flee the country. Since the European Union will likely be their end destination, the new wave of millions of refugees will knock the doors of the EU via Turkey, which is already burdened by the inflow of millions of Syrian refugees. Considering the rise of far-right and mostly pro-Russian parties throughout Europe, the influx of millions of refugees would certainly face a backlash and empower illiberal parties in Europe. Furthermore, Turkey—a strategically important NATO ally—would be destabilized, too. Turkey currently hosts millions of Syrian refugees. However, the public has been increasingly hostile towards those refugees, which has resulted in the occasional clash between the locals and Syrians. Moreover, Iran prevents Afghan refugees from reaching Europe as well. Therefore, if the country falls, then both Iranians and Afghans will easily reach Europe. Considering the fact that the civil war in Syria with its twenty-six million population shook the EU; a new civil war in Iran with its eighty million population would completely change the political landscape of Europe. In this sense, the destabilization of Iran benefits neither the United States nor its vital allies in Europe.
    Third, Iran may turn into a launching pad for radicalized Shias who will blame the West and Sunni Gulf Monarchies for the fall of the Islamic Republic. These radical religious types could seek revenge. That would create another dangerous problem. Iran has the largest arsenal of ballistic and cruise missiles in the Middle East, and those missiles could easily fall into the hands of radicalized Shia militias and terrorists. That would put the United States, Europe and American allies in the Middle East at a serious risk. Historical records show that there is a high probability that this could happen. For example, after the ouster of Saddam Hussein in Iraq, the country turned into a safe haven for Al Qaeda and other Salafi terrorists. In fact, it was the American invasion of Iraq in 2003 that led to the establishment of the Islamic State in 2006. Thus, the United States should be careful not to make the same mistake in Iran, which may lead to the establishment of the Shia version of the Islamic State in Iran.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/regime-change-iran-dangerous-america-46357

    If Trump isn't impeached & looses 2020 race, he may not admit defeat, as he stated, & trigger a domestic crisis in the US.
    https://start.att.net/news/read/article/cnn-donald_trump_is_laying_the_groundwork_to_delegitim-cnn2/category/news+

    Iran has till November 2020 to wait him out.

    https://rg.ru/2019/03/07/smi-soobshchili-o-vozmozhnoj-provokacii-pri-postavke-gruza-iz-ssha-v-venesuelu.html

    https://mpsh.ru/3136-rossija-gotovit-neozhidannyj-dlja-ssha-trjuk-moskva-lishit-vashington-milliardov.html


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    Post  Aristide Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:17 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Not that different, S & E. has big pockets of it:
    Venezuela crisis - Page 20 Big_thumb

    The rest r mountains, hills, & valleys with less vegetation & bush.
    FYI, cakes r made with the same flour as bread.
    Be careful what u wish for! Ur joy may be short lived:
    Historical records show that when the central government weakens in Iran, then the periphery of the country tries to gain more autonomy and sometimes seeks independence, creating more bloodshed and destabilization in the country. ..
    The second reason is that if Iran gets destabilized and slides into a civil war, then a many Iranians will try to flee the country. Since the European Union will likely be their end destination, the new wave of millions of refugees will knock the doors of the EU via Turkey, which is already burdened by the inflow of millions of Syrian refugees. Considering the rise of far-right and mostly pro-Russian parties throughout Europe, the influx of millions of refugees would certainly face a backlash and empower illiberal parties in Europe. Furthermore, Turkey—a strategically important NATO ally—would be destabilized, too. Turkey currently hosts millions of Syrian refugees. However, the public has been increasingly hostile towards those refugees, which has resulted in the occasional clash between the locals and Syrians. Moreover, Iran prevents Afghan refugees from reaching Europe as well. Therefore, if the country falls, then both Iranians and Afghans will easily reach Europe. Considering the fact that the civil war in Syria with its twenty-six million population shook the EU; a new civil war in Iran with its eighty million population would completely change the political landscape of Europe. In this sense, the destabilization of Iran benefits neither the United States nor its vital allies in Europe.
    Third, Iran may turn into a launching pad for radicalized Shias who will blame the West and Sunni Gulf Monarchies for the fall of the Islamic Republic. These radical religious types could seek revenge. That would create another dangerous problem. Iran has the largest arsenal of ballistic and cruise missiles in the Middle East, and those missiles could easily fall into the hands of radicalized Shia militias and terrorists. That would put the United States, Europe and American allies in the Middle East at a serious risk. Historical records show that there is a high probability that this could happen. For example, after the ouster of Saddam Hussein in Iraq, the country turned into a safe haven for Al Qaeda and other Salafi terrorists. In fact, it was the American invasion of Iraq in 2003 that led to the establishment of the Islamic State in 2006. Thus, the United States should be careful not to make the same mistake in Iran, which may lead to the establishment of the Shia version of the Islamic State in Iran.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/regime-change-iran-dangerous-america-46357

    If Trump isn't impeached & looses 2020 race, he may not admit defeat, as he stated, & trigger a domestic crisis in the US.
    https://start.att.net/news/read/article/cnn-donald_trump_is_laying_the_groundwork_to_delegitim-cnn2/category/news+

    Iran has till November 2020 to wait him out.

    https://rg.ru/2019/03/07/smi-soobshchili-o-vozmozhnoj-provokacii-pri-postavke-gruza-iz-ssha-v-venesuelu.html

    https://mpsh.ru/3136-rossija-gotovit-neozhidannyj-dlja-ssha-trjuk-moskva-lishit-vashington-milliardov.html

    1. Forest is not forest. There are different types of forest, low land, highland and many different species.

    2nd i know what cake is made from. It was satirical. The idea of starving iranians just amuses me.

    3rd. Im far right and i can tell you i want a further rise ov the far right in europe. Far right parties are not pro russia. They are pro their own country. Marine for example says in french TV that russia is a poor 3rd woeld shithole. Some here believe she is pro russia, for takimng russian money Very Happy
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:39 am

    There are different types of forest, low land, highland and many different species.
    Their forests & soils r not suitable to commercially produce hardwoods to be feasible. Too far away from the main export markets.
    The idea of starving iranians just amuses me. ..
    Im far right and i can tell you i want a further rise ov the far right in europe.
    No need to repeat that. As the article said, Iranians & Afghans flooding Europe like those Syrians will be the result of regime change &/civil war in Iran.
    So, if they in the EU want France to prosper, they better not to rock the boat!
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    Post  Aristide Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:45 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    There are different types of forest, low land, highland and many different species.
    Their forests & soils r not suitable to commercially produce hardwoods to be feasible. Too far away from the main export markets.
    The idea of starving iranians just amuses me. ..
    Im far right and i can tell you i want a further rise ov the far right in europe.
    No need to repeat that. As the article said, Iranians & Afghans flooding Europe like those Syrians will be the result of regime change &/civil war in Iran.
    So, if they in the EU want France to prosper, they better not to rock the boat!

    No, they cant flood europe. The syrian theatre was a necessary one and also good since it brought the far right up. As Salvini in Italy shows, once the far right is ruling a countfy, migrants cant get in. Salvijn dropped migrant numbers by 97% within a few months. They die in Libya now. Same with Afghans and Iranians.

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    Post  Isos Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:47 pm

    The chinese are doing nothing. They are really a paper tiger.

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    Post  Aristide Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:59 pm

    Isos wrote:The chinese are doing nothing. They are really a paper tiger.

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    Of course China will do nothing. Cuba will do nothing as well.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:19 pm

    No, they cant flood europe.
    They will in Greece, the Balkans, & possibly Slovakia, Czech, Germany & Poland. The EU as whole will suffer. Ur far right doesn't see the forest for the trees.
    Cuba already helps Maduro & will do more to help Russia & the region.
    Seeing this, China will assist as well to protect her investments.
    Venezuela Hit by Major Blackout, Government Blames 'Sabotage'
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-hit-major-blackout-government-blames-sabotage-231435613--sector.html
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:51 pm

    This hasn't got a lot of attention. Forget the heavy oil there is loads of the best stuff offshore. This is what it is all about! Lots more at the link.

    The real prize that these powerful international oil giants are eyeing likely lies well to the east of the Orinoco heavy oil fields where they now operate. The real prize is the ultimate control over one of the best-kept secrets in the oil industry, the huge oil reserves of a disputed area straddling Venezuela, Guyana and Brazil. The region is called Guayana Esequiba. Some geologists believe the Esequiba region and its offshore could contain the world’s largest reserves of oil, oil of far better quality that the heavy Orinoco crude of Venezuela. The problem is that owing to the decades-long dispute between Venezuela and Guyana the true extent of that oil is not yet known.


    https://journal-neo.org/2019/02/17/what-s-not-being-said-about-the-venezuela-oil-war/
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:07 pm

    Good point, that explains the latest events better.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyana#Boundary_disputes
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    Post  Aristide Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:16 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    No, they cant flood europe.
    They will in Greece, the Balkans, & possibly Slovakia, Czech, Germany & Poland. The EU as whole will suffer. Ur far right doesn't see the forest for the trees.
    Cuba already helps Maduro & will do more to help Russia & the region.
    Seeing this, China will assist as well to protect her investments.
    Venezuela Hit by Major Blackout, Government Blames 'Sabotage'
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-hit-major-blackout-government-blames-sabotage-231435613--sector.html

    You are quite ignorant. Dead people cant flood anything. Iranians are easily detectable. They can be killed easily.

    Cuba is a tiny and impoverished island. They too exist to serve.

    And of course there is sabotage in Venezuela. The energy grid gets no maintenance since several years. What we see is socialism at work.

    China already has the lowest economic growth since the 90th. Trumps politics of brutalism obviously work quite well.

    All those minor races need a hard leash.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:39 am

    JohninMK wrote:This hasn't got a lot of attention. Forget the heavy oil there is loads of the best stuff offshore. This is what it is all about! Lots more at the link.

    The real prize that these powerful international oil giants are eyeing likely lies well to the east of the Orinoco heavy oil fields where they now operate. The real prize is the ultimate control over one of the best-kept secrets in the oil industry, the huge oil reserves of a disputed area straddling Venezuela, Guyana and Brazil. The region is called Guayana Esequiba. Some geologists believe the Esequiba region and its offshore could contain the world’s largest reserves of oil, oil of far better quality that the heavy Orinoco crude of Venezuela. The problem is that owing to the decades-long dispute between Venezuela and Guyana the true extent of that oil is not yet known.


    https://journal-neo.org/2019/02/17/what-s-not-being-said-about-the-venezuela-oil-war/

    If Maduro has any brain in his head he will advertise this as loud as he can

    If they can somehow present to Western public that there is oil involved then they just might generate some pressure on their governments to back off

    It's probably too late already but it can't hurt to try
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:37 am

    You are quite ignorant. Dead people cant flood anything. Iranians are easily detectable. They can be killed easily.
    They'll flee Iran to save their lives just like Syrians did. I'm not more ignorant than u, considering how many times I refuted ur contentions with facts supported by references.
    Cuba is a tiny and impoverished island. They too exist to serve.
    Certainly not to serve u or the US! China has electronic eavesdropping station there & Russia can return to their old bases there soon. All US presidents after LBJ, incl. Trump, all campaign among the exiled Cubans in Florida whose votes they absolutely need to win the White House.
    And of course there is sabotage in Venezuela. The energy grid gets no maintenance since several years. What we see is socialism at work.
    We have no evidence that it wasn't a diversion.
    https://telegraf.com.ua/mir/drugie/4908218-venesuela-prichinoy-priostanovki-elektrosnabzheniya-stala-kiberataka.html

    The US & Brazil had dams burst that flooded New Orleans & towns, killing over a 1K people:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina_in_New_Orleans#Loss_of_life
    https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/06/americas/brazil-dam-break-flooding/index.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/06/brazil-dam-collapse-workers-say-they-warned-owners
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/americas/brazil-dam-collapse/index.html

    The US & Japan also had NPPs incidents/meltdown & other industrial accidents. Capitalism isn't immune to mismanagement, corruption, incompetence & other abuses.


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    Post  Isos Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:03 am

    @TsavoLion can you stop feeding this troll with replies. Ignore him and he will go away.
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    Post  andalusia Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:10 am

    Why is the CIA so successful at starting revolution and instability in foreign countries like Venezuela and that is if they are doing it? Is it that Third world countries lack good counterintelligence to counter CIA manipulations? Moreover, does Russia have good counterintelligence to prevent the CIA from doing the same thing?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterintelligence
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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:04 am

    Western media wont report anything Maduro says accurately...
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:05 pm

    Isos wrote: Ignore him and he will go away.
    Probably a forlorn hope.
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    Post  Aristide Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:41 pm

    andalusia wrote:Why is the CIA so successful at starting revolution and instability in foreign countries like Venezuela and that is if they are doing it? Is it that Third world countries lack good counterintelligence to counter CIA manipulations? Moreover, does Russia have good counterintelligence to prevent the CIA from doing the same thing?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterintelligence

    Do you say Maduro was installed by the CIA?

    I mean honestly, you do realize, that Maduro is incompetent at extreme levels?
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    Post  Kimppis Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:41 pm

    Aristide wrote:China already has the lowest economic growth since the 90th. Trumps politics of brutalism obviously work quite well.

    So I've obviously mentioned this a billion times, but China's exports to the US are maybe 4% of its nominal GDP. The slowdown meme is idiotic beyond belief. Why does one focus on "negatives" (you can't really call them that), when the growth is at 6.6%? How does that make any sense? It's called propaganda and media bias, really desperate stuff.

    And FYI, Western economists predicted years ago that China's economy would slow down to way below 6.5% by 2019, and that was years before Trump. So in reality China is actually beating expectations.

    This concept of a steadily slowing growth as an economy develops shouldn't be too hard to understand... Comparing today's growth to 1990 is a mildly interesting tidbit, but beyond that's it's just bizarre, they're not comparable at all. Totally irrelevant. OMG, South Korea's growth was lower in the 90s than during previous decades, what a disaster!!!1 It has literally nothing to do with the trade war.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:56 pm

    Isos wrote:@TsavoLion can you stop feeding this troll with replies. Ignore him and he will go away.
    He won't stop posting crap as the mods ignore, instead of banning him.
    He exists so others can laugh at him here.
    Trump's Venezuela Envoy Says US Won't Use Force to Deliver Aid
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    Post  nomadski Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:06 am

    @ GarryB

    Western media don't report anything full stop . When west carries out provocative act  ( the latest being this empty mortar shell in diplomatic bag ) , they keep silent  . Waiting for a response . They will then hope to make full use of this justified countermeasure , by grandisement of the story . And escalating a conflict .

    Who knows the exact motive  this time , perhaps the liberal deep state's  fail to carry the Russia gate  story . Or perhaps Venezuela . Since BBC involved , then possibly involves UK . well relations between Russia and USA are  good ! Never better ! But relations between  Europe and USA , are getting  worse !  Is it because the yanks have bad breath ?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:48 am

    Taking advantage of sabotage at the power station and de-energized air defense - a US plane with impunity invaded Venezuela

    Maduro announced a new cyber attack on the Venezuela
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    Post  Aristide Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:50 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Taking advantage of sabotage at the power station and de-energized air defense - a US plane with impunity invaded Venezuela

    Maduro announced a new cyber attack on the Venezuela

    If you would know venezuela, you would know they often have power black outs, simply because neglect of infrastructure.

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