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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:55 am

    I don't think it will be worth to reverse engineer the F-16, or China could use a Pakistani 1 for that a long time go. She has a similar, but bigger J-10: https://aviatia.net/j-10-vs-f-16/
    Parts is another matter.
    Iran takes control of Venezuela after Russia
    https://politobzor.net/192617-iran-idet-v-venesuelu-vsled-za-rossiey.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    The attack against the rising multipolar order goes through Nicaragua
    http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/142344-nicaragua/

    Pence: US Determined to Oust Venezuela’s Maduro and ‘All Options Are On the Table’
    https://news.antiwar.com/2019/04/10/pence-us-determined-to-oust-venezuelas-maduro-and-all-options-are-on-the-table/


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:34 am

    US Issues New Venezuela-Related Sanctions
    Pompeo: China Financing of Maduro Prolongs Venezuela Crisis
    Former Venezuelan General With 'Treasure Trove' of Intelligence Arrested for Drug Trafficking
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47917291

    US Slaps Sanctions on Four Shipping Firms, Nine Ships, Carrying Oil From Venezuela  https://www.antiwar.com/

    https://lenta.ru/news/2019/04/13/blitzkrieg/



    https://ria.ru/20190414/1552674503.html


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:53 am

    https://ria.ru/20190419/1552823590.html

    Putin Envoy in Caracas Rejects US Revival of Monroe Doctrine
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-envoy-caracas-rejects-us-revival-monroe-doctrine-193155933.html

    Venezuela Skirts US Sanctions by Funneling Oil Sales Via Russia
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-rosneft-exclusive/exclusive-venezuela-skirts-u-s-sanctions-by-funneling-oil-sales-via-russia-idUKKCN1RU2A4

    Russia Says It Will Help Venezuela, Cuba to Weather US Sanctions
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-bolton-russia/russia-says-it-will-help-venezuela-cuba-to-weather-u-s-sanctions-ria-idUKKCN1RU0NV
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:13 am

    Behind the Scenes of Russia’s Military Detachment to Venezuela
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    Post  andalusia on Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:48 am

    what do you guys think of this article by the vox? Is it any truth or is it wrong in some ways?

    It differs from the point of view of many on here.

    https://www.vox.com/2019/2/15/18225109/elliott-abrams-ilhan-omar-venezuela?fbclid=IwAR3WPoHEVD0oMxVMgNsfsl8odTlMVR9hHUPkGkJj8YFH1R0iL9-MsuiXNI4
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:41 am

    Republicans & Rupert Murdoch Created al-Qaeda when Ilhan Omar's Somalia upheld Scientific Socialism

    If Russia didn't support Bashar Assad, Syria would be another Iraq & Afghanistan now; If Trump & Adams have their way in Venezuela, a new dirty war will start & last for years, possibly spreading to Colombia & Brazil. Obama already started a civil war in Ukraine that Russia managed well so far.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:52 pm

    It differs from the point of view of many on here.

    Wow, interesting article... I was pretty much thinking this guy is thinking what I was thinking till I got to:

    While Venezuela may resemble Cold War-era conflicts in Latin America in the abstract, the details of it are quite different. In this case, the regime led by leftist President Nicolás Maduro is clearly responsible for the destruction of Venezuela’s economy and the collapse of its democracy. His challenger, Juan Guaidó — whom the US is backing — not only seems to have a pretty solid claim to being the actual legitimate president of the country but could also be the best chance Venezuela has to escape this nightmare.

    What the Fuck...

    Who cares if Maduro has made serious changes to the Venezuela economy... he is the democratically elected leader of the country... they voted him in just last year, and his so called challenger was largely unknown by the people of Venezuela before January this year and he has never even received one vote in an election for the leadership of the country...

    I could say the American economy is fucked up... 21 trillion dollars debt for fucks sake... how about we declare Tom Hanks as the legitimate president of the United States... no one voted for him but apparently that does not matter... he could be the legitimate leader of the country.

    The best chance for Venezuela to escape its nightmare is for the US to be nuked from orbit by some passing by friendly aliens...

    Rather, he’s asserting that Maduro is not the legitimate president because the election he won last May was rigged — an assertion backed up by many citizens and international observers.

    Really?

    Because at the time US observers said nothing at all...

    So this is clearly a wolf in sheeps clothing attack... pretend to give a fuck about people and then recommend that the best solution is to let the wolf eat as many sheep as it wants because then it will go away and I can continue what I was doing and I will be happy... after all a war started by America wont kill everyone in Venezuela... just some and it is not the first war crimes we have supported and it wont be the last... let us steal your enormous untapped oil resources and we will make things right... and we can do that because we are the reason things are so wrong at the moment so obviously we can fix things quickly for you if you just turn around and bend down and pick up the soap so to speak...

    If Russia didn't support Bashar Assad, Syria would be another Iraq & Afghanistan now; If Trump & Adams have their way in Venezuela, a new dirty war will start & last for years, possibly spreading to Colombia & Brazil. Obama already started a civil war in Ukraine that Russia managed well so far.

    Indeed, if Russia can keep the venezuelans out of the jaws of the US long enough to recover and develop alternatives to things the US has cut off, then they might avoid becoming Libya or Afghanistan.

    In the Ukraine Russia managed to get back the Crimea and it is gradually completely replacing its Ukraine sourced dependencies like engines and rocket components... so in the longer term it is good for Russia... not so good for the Ukraine because their new best buddies... America... doesn't give a shit about Antonov or Motor Sich, or their large shipyards or coal mines....
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:29 pm

    andalusia wrote:what do you guys think of this article by the vox? Is it any truth or is it wrong in some ways?

    It differs from the point of view of many on here.

    https://www.vox.com/2019/2/15/18225109/elliott-abrams-ilhan-omar-venezuela?fbclid=IwAR3WPoHEVD0oMxVMgNsfsl8odTlMVR9hHUPkGkJj8YFH1R0iL9-MsuiXNI4



    Mostly true.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:58 am

    US mulls naval blockade of Venezuela
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2618809.html
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:02 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:US mulls naval blockade of Venezuela
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2618809.html

    They can go ahead. Doing so will just further show the world what they really are. And on top of that, Russia will continue to fly in, same with China. And they can still get vessels through since US Naval blockade cant cover all of Venezuelas coast line without stretching themselves thin. And it wouldn't be the first time a civil tanker may end up running into a US vessel Laughing
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:07 am

    ..US Naval blockade cant cover all of Venezuelas coast line without stretching themselves thin.
    The Cuban coastline is longer, & the US blockaded it. They can send their CG ships there too.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:18 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ..US Naval blockade cant cover all of Venezuelas coast line without stretching themselves thin.
    The Cuban coastline is longer, & the US blockaded it. They can send their CG ships there too.

    Its closer to the US (Cuba). Let us not forget that back then, no one would be stupid enough to ram vessels into each other on a daily occurrence. Now it just seems to happen more so than not. Mistakes happen. Right?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:51 am

    Puerto Rico, Honduras, Panama, Colombia & Aruba bases r close enough to support the blockade. The US can also sabotage port facilities like they did the power plants.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:08 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Puerto Rico, Honduras, Panama, Colombia & Aruba bases r close enough to support the blockade. The US can also sabotage port facilities like they did the power plants.

    Of course, but I think you are clearly ignoring what I am trying to say.

    These days, a Naval blockade may not work unless it is a narrow passage way like Kerch straight or a Canal. In this case, its a coast line.

    Regardless, it wont happen. If it does, then Russia and China will find other ways to get around it. This could also be declaration of war by Venezuela standards and would end up stirring a conflict which no one actually wants.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:24 am

    Aircraft & mines may also be used against ships. The insurance will skyrocket & the shipping companies will cut their losses.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:28 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Aircraft & mines may also be used against ships. The insurance will skyrocket & the shipping companies will cut their losses.

    You aren't grasping the realities here.

    That stuff doesn't fly anymore. If Russia and or China decides to go to Venezuela by ship with escort, US won't do shit because not only would their blockade not be legal, they would have no one to back them if they did something stupid that forced Russian or Chinese retaliation. So they will go through that blockade no matter how much power you think they got. Cuban missile crisis was one thing, this is different. It's purely economical. If a civilian vessel Rams into the US ships, then they cant do jack shit either. Wouldn't be first time nor last of a ship ramming into another to make a point or show of force without actually opening fire.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:33 am

    No, Trump isn't grasping!
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:38 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:No, Trump isn't grasping!

    Re read what I wrote.

    Trump won't do shit.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:44 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Puerto Rico, Honduras, Panama, Colombia & Aruba bases r close enough to support the blockade. The US can also sabotage port facilities like they did the power plants.

    Of course, but I think you are clearly ignoring what I am trying to say.

    These days, a Naval blockade may not work unless it is a narrow passage way like Kerch straight or a Canal.  In this case, its a coast line.

    Regardless, it wont happen.  If it does, then Russia and China will find other ways to get around it.  This could also be declaration of war by Venezuela standards and would end up stirring a conflict which no one actually wants.

    US navy can block the venezuelan ships but not russian or chinese.

    They even don't touch Iranian ships off Yemen.

    US can afford to lose a ship to Venezuelan or iranian antiship missiles. It will show the real capabilities of their ship against older and export variants of russian missiles. And russia and China have deadlier ones in their hands than Venezuela or Iran.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:10 am

    US navy can block the venezuelan ships but not russian or chinese.
    Foreign flagged tankers & other merchant ships can be turned away. PLAN & VMF tankers r not enough to help Venezuela's trade.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:27 pm

    Many US subservient flagged ships will obey any blockade, but there are plenty of other ships that wont... is the US prepared to open fire on ships in international waters or Venezuelan waters to enforce a blockade not supported by the UN?

    They would be opening themselves up to serious potential backlash... blockading a country is an act of war... they could simply round up all Americans in Venezuela and use them on their ships... starting with Guano. Lock them in a below decks room and handcuff them to each other... sink the ship and the crew will likely make it to life rafts but the US just killed its own people.

    Either way a great way to remove Americans and their supporters from the country...
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:42 am

    Why not Iranians and Venezuelans and north yemen and China and Russia SIMULTANEOUSLY block ships ?  If yank block Venezuela,  then Iran block Hormuz , and yemen block bab - al - mandeb and china block south sea and Russia block Mediterranean sea ? For a short while  . A few days ? Even a few hours ? Better than one ship ram another ship . Too many ships . Yanks have 500 . Must devide their forces . I am hoping they coordinate it .

    Can north Korea block something ? ..........
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    Post  andalusia on Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:46 am

    This is a good article here that the mainstream media doesn't report this angle of the situation in Venezuela.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/john-pilger-war-venezuela-built-lies/255422/?fbclid=IwAR2XvYAUJ-LTMBkThN-RHiLxsSyYTkA5H78jyLUYQF12sPAlqv-PGGNKJCk
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:00 pm

    Very good article that some people on this forum who think Maduro should go should look at... the conflict in Venezuela is about whether white America and their cronies control oil reserves or not... the Venezuelan people mean nothing in this sort of accounting... so if Maduro should go then you clearly are either a nazi or a communist sympathiser, because democracy has nothing to do with removing a democratically elected leader...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:01 am

    US mil. group in C. and S. America has now up to 20K people, can be doubled - GRU

    Bloomberg: US made another mistake in Latin America https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2618995.html


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