Venezuela crisis

It's not the quantity of food, it's quality. Tropical fruits, beans & rice grown there r not enough even for 1 village if that village can't get enough cereals, meat & fish. 1 child policy isn't sustainable- it leads to gender age imbalance.
https://news.rambler.ru/politics/41814839-rossiya-pristupaet-k-spaseniyu-venesuely/

Tsavo Lion wrote:It's not the quantity of food, it's quality. Tropical fruits, beans & rice grown there r not enough even for 1 village if that village can't get enough cereals, meat & fish. 1 child policy isn't sustainable- it leads to gender age imbalance.
https://news.rambler.ru/politics/41814839-rossiya-pristupaet-k-spaseniyu-venesuely/

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What do you mean? People lived without meat and fish and cereals in South America for centuries. And in any case, cows and other animals and fish can be grown there everywhere. Also manioc which is a super food...

Care explain what you mean with they cannot be self sufficient in terms of food?

They also hunted & fished, but now there's not enough wild life to feed every1. Will cattle have enough feed on land cleared from jungle that can't produce enough grass? Brazil have similar problems, only on a bigger scale:

Tsavo Lion wrote:They also hunted & fished, but now there's not enough wild life to feed every1. Will cattle have enough feed on land cleared from jungle that can't produce enough grass? Brazil have similar problems, only on a bigger scale:

Yet Brazil is the country that breeds more cattle in the world...

No, I am not expecting the Venezuelans to start hunting and fishing for survival South Americans have been eating rice + beans + manioc (plus a number of other vegetables) for centuries, without practically having access to any kind of meat. People have not only survived but worked like beasts with that diet. Trust me, it works. Even today Venezuelans eat arepas made of corn almost every day.

Tropical soils have fertility problems due to lack of nutrients and aluminium toxicity. But:
> There are tropical crops and grasses (too numerous to count) that are both nutritive and very resistant to these factors, as well as animals adapted to low nutrition pastures.
> Toxicity in particular can be addressed relatively easily with calcareous correctives of low cost, improving water efficiency of the crops at the same time.

The problem of nutrients in the soil can be corrected in a conventional way with fertilisers. I don't know if Venezuela itself has the required phosphoric rocks. But there are also other practises that don't require them or not in the same amount. Cuba had a significant problems when the Soviet block fell and they lost access to supplies for conventional agriculture. They found unconventional ways to solve their problems and Venezuela could do so, too.

If you consider the amounts of area, light, temperature and water available and correct the soil factors, you get not only food sovereignty but a considerable exporting potential. For comparison, in that area you would have 240 million inhabitants if the population density was that of Germany, yet you only need to feed 30 million!
All the year over crops and plants can be grown, northern countries can't simply compete with that (growing season for normal vegetables in Russia lasts what, 3 months?). All that is needed is knowledge, organization and a minimum of capital and external support for setting up the whole system.

Intensive agriculture needs fertilizers that must be produced locally or imported. That needs natural resources, i.e. minerals + a lot of el. power. Do they have it? Will oil they barter/sell pay for it all?
Many other tropical countries import food:
https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/dependence-on-food-imports-threatens-developing-countries-report-finds/
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-most-countries-import-some-foods
http://www.globalization101.org/why-do-nations-import/

Venezuela may need to import animal feed to increase her meat production. The USSR produced a lot of grain for humans but had to import Ms of tons of grain from USA & Canada to feed its 60M milk cows, while the meat supply was way below the demand. They didn't import red meat from Argentina & Australia/NZ as it was too expensive for them & they didn't care- the elite had enough for themselves. I heard in the mid '80s that some soldiers saw a 1957 stamp on frozen meat they later consumed. They were treated like those dogs & GULAG inmates who gladly ate Ks years old mammoth & rhino meat dug up from the permafrost during construction & geological explorations.
That's why in all canteens signs "Tuesday & Thursday- its Fish (seafood) Day"
were displayed. Even on other days, meet dishes were not always served. After 1991, Russia imported Ms chickens from the USA.
If they had enough feed, there would be no need to do that.
Meanwhile:
http://avia.pro/news/samolyot-guaydo-byl-perehvachen-venesuelskimi-su-30?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3123277

https://ria.ru/20190306/1551576534.html

Venezuela's Guaido Vows to Paralyze Public Sector to Squeeze Maduro
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/venezuelas-guaido-vows-to-paralyze-public-sector-to-squeeze-maduro-idUSKCN1QM2ER

US Military 'Already Active' Near Venezuela as America Prepares Sanctions on Cuba: US General
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/us-military-is-already-active-near-venezuela-as-america-prepares-sanctions-on-cuba-major-gen-bob-scales

India has upped its take of Venezuelan crude from 400 to 650 mbpm which is about $1B cash flow. In response the US has cancelled India's US tax breaks.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-05/slippage-continues-india-resists-trump-everything

This proves that they can process it. The distance is also not a big problem. Iran & India can sell them their foodstuffs too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Iran#Foodstuff
https://www.fas.usda.gov/data/india-s-agricultural-exports-climb-record-high
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_India#Indian_agriculture_after_independence

JohninMK wrote:India has upped its take of Venezuelan crude from 400 to 650 mbpm which is about $1B cash flow. In response the US has cancelled India's US tax breaks.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-05/slippage-continues-india-resists-trump-everything

Good article. India will cash much more from the discounted buy of Venezuelan oil than from those symbolic tax exemptions, so it is a clear economic decision. A country does not need much to survive, and with the current attacks Venezuela can adopt a purely defensive stance, closing borders to frustrate parasitic economic relationships with Colombia, delegitimizing opposition, cleaning up the military and cracking down on saboteurs and corrupts. Exactly what they needed to do since many years.

LMFS wrote:
Good article. India will cash much more from the discounted buy of Venezuelan oil than from those symbolic tax exemptions, so it is a clear economic decision. A country does not need much to survive, and with the current attacks Venezuela can adopt a purely defensive stance, closing borders to frustrate parasitic economic relationships with Colombia, delegitimizing opposition, cleaning up the military and cracking down on saboteurs and corrupts. Exactly what they needed to do since many years.

They have the problem of selling oil that belongs to China under the loan agreement. If Maduro loses their financial backing he is finished.

Vladimir79 wrote:They have the problem of selling oil that belongs to China under the loan agreement.  If Maduro loses their financial backing he is finished.  

Do not know if I understand you right. Since the exports to US have simply disappeared, Venezuela should have no problem to attend both China and India, given they receive the supplies needed to keep their oil industry running... in fact the issue is avoiding a collapse of their exports (was down in February a 10% IIRC) and coherently they are reportedly ready to sell quite cheap.

LMFS wrote:
Do not know if I understand you right. Since the exports to US have simply disappeared, Venezuela should have no problem to attend both China and India, given they receive the supplies needed to keep their oil industry running... in fact the issue is avoiding a collapse of their exports (was down in February a 10% IIRC) and coherently they are reportedly ready to sell quite cheap.

Venezuelan production is low and they owe backlog of oil to China to pay off their loans.

Vladimir79 wrote:

LMFS wrote:
Do not know if I understand you right. Since the exports to US have simply disappeared, Venezuela should have no problem to attend both China and India, given they receive the supplies needed to keep their oil industry running... in fact the issue is avoiding a collapse of their exports (was down in February a 10% IIRC) and coherently they are reportedly ready to sell quite cheap.

Venezuelan production is low and they owe backlog of oil to China to pay off their loans.

It seems Russia is coming to the rescue

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-04/maduro-gets-oil-lifeline-from-russia-after-u-s-sanctions-hit

LMFS wrote:
Venezuelan production is low and they owe backlog of oil to China to pay off their loans.
It seems Russia is coming to the rescue

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-04/maduro-gets-oil-lifeline-from-russia-after-u-s-sanctions-hit

They owe both of us back payments in oil, we have no choice but to provide it or we never get paid back.

Vladimir79 wrote:They owe both of us back payments in oil, we have no choice but to provide it or we never get paid back.

And besides getting your payment in oil, you will cash-in the naphta sale, since no one else seems to have the balls to sell it once US gets serious. What is the problem? Venezuela apparently needs 2-3 million barrels monthly to sustain the operations of their industry and Russia could happily substitute US for that.

Russia already is (almost) under maximum pressure from US and is still growing and expanding its influence, it posses little risk for you and great opportunities to export stability and development opportunities to the non-aligned nations. China is stronger economically but they are nowhere as independent as Russia and still lack the deterrence potential.

..great opportunities to export stability and development opportunities to the non-aligned nations.

and substitute Brasil for Venezuela in BRICS, making it VRICS.

Why didn't Venezuela didn't invest in submarines to counter US aircraft carriers? I seems like it is a good asymetrical capibility for a Third World nation to have? I know they have two subs but could have had up to 8 to 12 submarines.

andalusia wrote:Why didn't Venezuela didn't invest in submarines to counter US aircraft carriers?  I seems like it is a good asymetrical capibility for a Third World nation to have?  I know they have two subs but could have had up to 8 to 12 submarines.  

Chavez wanted to buy some Kilo. But for some reasons they didn't.

andalusia wrote:Why didn't Venezuela didn't invest in submarines to counter US aircraft carriers?  I seems like it is a good asymetrical capibility for a Third World nation to have?  I know they have two subs but could have had up to 8 to 12 submarines.  

They wasted the money that needed to go into renovating the life blood oil industry, they were never going to have money for Kilos.

Nobody mentioned that yet - Venezuelan oil is tar sands, the most dirty kind of oil reserves out there that cost $100 to refine per barrel and will be the first kind of oil to be phased out due to environmental reasons.

..that cost $100 to refine per barrel..

Not in India & Russia; if it was that uneconomical, we would hear about it. The US was buying it until recently regardless.
Sanctioned Bank to Service Venezuela Pdvsa Accounts in Russia
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Sanctioned-Bank-To-Service-Venezuela-PDVSA-Accounts-In-Russia.html

Venezuela Orders German Ambassador to Leave the Country
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-orders-german-ambassador-leave-country-162913302.html

The Gorshkov is going to make an Atlantic deployment right now, anyone knows where is she exactly heading?

I think the Iranian navy should also pay a visit . As they said they would . This will send a signal . I looked at venezuela exports , but did not see wood as being listed . This can be a valuable resource ,  and I think there are vast areas of virgin  forest with hardwoods . An effort to export this wood , at a time of declining demand for their oil . The virgin forest can be replanted later . Also land free for  farming food . Killing two birds with one stone . Japan imports a lot of wood  . Iran could possibly buy some also . For production of small fishing boats and  household furniture . I think most of Amazonian forest , is infact replanted woodland , by ancient peoples and tribes . Average age of trees is relatively young .

nomadski wrote:I think the Iranian navy should also pay a visit . As they said they would . This will send a signal . I looked at venezuela exports , but did not see wood as being listed . This can be a valuable resource ,  and I think there are vast areas of virgin  forest with hardwoods . An effort to export this wood , at a time of declining demand for their oil . The virgin forest can be replanted later . Also land free for  farming food . Killing two birds with one stone . Japan imports a lot of wood  . Iran could possibly buy some also . For production of small fishing boats and  household furniture . I think most of Amazonian forest , is infact replanted woodland , by ancient peoples and tribes . Average age of trees is relatively young .

Amusing you want destroy the most diverse ecosystem in the world to keep your stalinist utopia running.

I have news for you.


Iran cant send ships. Iran is bancrupt since even china cut down oil imporrs by 90% from Iran.

It also shows your complete ignorance of modern communication. Go on, touch the forest and with that give a reason to intervene.

Damn..its guys like you who makes it feel great to see iranian peasants fight for bread.

Ecosystem . Ships . Forest . Bread . The forests are precious . But they can be replanted . Once the emergency is over . Economy diversified . New partners in trade . Iran did send ships before to Atlantic . Soon subs . Many countries manage and harvest wood . No problem about that . No news. You are happy that Iranians may not have bread ? They have bread . But even if hungry , they will never resort to eating frogs ! Or snails or rats ..